Oculus
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Post by Oculus on May 17, 2023 0:33:44 GMT
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𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈
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Post by 𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈 on May 17, 2023 6:36:14 GMT
Does this community really need a civil war?
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2023 7:03:18 GMT
Does this community really need a civil war? I believe you overestimate the tensions in the past. Yeah, there were some disagreements here and there, but all in all it is a peaceful society  |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 17, 2023 11:12:39 GMT
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2023 11:58:23 GMT
I don't think it should necessarily "prove" something The guy just completed a chapter testing Mehmed's active skill and thinks now that he is an excellent general. If we don't read between the lines I don't see any attempt to challenge anyone's point of view here  |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 17, 2023 12:31:20 GMT
I don't think it should necessarily "prove" something The guy just completed a chapter testing Mehmed's active skill and thinks now that he is an excellent general. If we don't read between the lines I don't see any attempt to challenge anyone's point of view here Did you even notice what he titled this post? My question is how can this test prove that a general is OP and is Charles better than Mehmed because of this test? |
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2023 12:42:14 GMT
I don't think it should necessarily "prove" something The guy just completed a chapter testing Mehmed's active skill and thinks now that he is an excellent general. If we don't read between the lines I don't see any attempt to challenge anyone's point of view here Did you even notice what he titled this post? My question is how can this test prove that a general is OP and is Charles better than Mehmed because of this test? Well Charles is OP too, if you ask me Richard, Genghis Khan are OP generals as well. Being OP doesn't mean to be GOAT, I believe. If I remember correctly you said that Mehmed is an excellent general yourself, didn't you? My statement that Mehmed is arguably the best general was just an assumption. It may be true or may be not, but apart from this Mehmed is an excellent addition to any team. It is very difficult to dispute it... |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 17, 2023 13:11:08 GMT
Did you even notice what he titled this post? My question is how can this test prove that a general is OP and is Charles better than Mehmed because of this test? Well Charles is OP too, if you ask me Richard, Genghis Khan are OP generals as well. Being OP doesn't mean to be GOAT, I believe. If I remember correctly you said that Mehmed is an excellent general yourself, didn't you? My statement that Mehmed is arguably the best general was just an assumption. It may be true or may be not, but apart from this Mehmed is an excellent addition to any team. It is very difficult to dispute it... Yes, I think that Mehmed is an excellent general, and if you already like the term OP, then let him be OP. Personally, I think whether we call someone OP depends on the angle of view. For me the OP are Caesar and Matilda because I use them always and everywhere because of their ability The point of my comments here is that these kinds of tests are not authoritative, we still have to look at the big picture, because this kind of test showed that Charles is much better than Mehmed. |
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Post by andrei on May 17, 2023 15:27:00 GMT
Did you even notice what he titled this post? My question is how can this test prove that a general is OP and is Charles better than Mehmed because of this test? Well Charles is OP too, if you ask me Richard, Genghis Khan are OP generals as well. Being OP doesn't mean to be GOAT, I believe. If I remember correctly you said that Mehmed is an excellent general yourself, didn't you? My statement that Mehmed is arguably the best general was just an assumption. It may be true or may be not, but apart from this Mehmed is an excellent addition to any team. It is very difficult to dispute it... He is definetely the GOAT in conquest mode. His skills and stats and unit are among the best and he can easily be under multiple buffs every single turn in case You use high mobility and low attack cost setup. And these buffs are really giving him serious advantage. He can recieve buffs by just marking the enemies. It is not even necessary to kill the enemy with Mehmed. He can mark units that are not adjacent. 2 hex range. Extremeky helpful against spam in Challenge mode. Superstrong general. Of course his generic version on the map is a joke. Only Mehmed with players' setup is good in case You know how to utilize his skills and active. |
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2023 15:54:18 GMT
Well Charles is OP too, if you ask me Richard, Genghis Khan are OP generals as well. Being OP doesn't mean to be GOAT, I believe. If I remember correctly you said that Mehmed is an excellent general yourself, didn't you? My statement that Mehmed is arguably the best general was just an assumption. It may be true or may be not, but apart from this Mehmed is an excellent addition to any team. It is very difficult to dispute it... He is definetely the GOAT in conquest mode. His skills and stats and unit are among the best and he can easily be under multiple buffs every single turn in case You use high mobility and low attack cost setup. And these buffs are really giving him serious advantage. He can recieve buffs by just marking the enemies. It is not even necessary to kill the enemy with Mehmed. He can mark units that are not adjacent. 2 hex range. Extremeky helpful against spam in Challenge mode. Superstrong general. Of course his generic version on the map is a joke. Only Mehmed with players' setup is good in case You know how to utilize his skills and active. I have every reason to believe you |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 17, 2023 18:12:59 GMT
Well Charles is OP too, if you ask me Richard, Genghis Khan are OP generals as well. Being OP doesn't mean to be GOAT, I believe. If I remember correctly you said that Mehmed is an excellent general yourself, didn't you? My statement that Mehmed is arguably the best general was just an assumption. It may be true or may be not, but apart from this Mehmed is an excellent addition to any team. It is very difficult to dispute it... He is definetely the GOAT in conquest mode. His skills and stats and unit are among the best and he can easily be under multiple buffs every single turn in case You use high mobility and low attack cost setup. And these buffs are really giving him serious advantage. He can recieve buffs by just marking the enemies. It is not even necessary to kill the enemy with Mehmed. He can mark units that are not adjacent. 2 hex range. Extremeky helpful against spam in Challenge mode. Superstrong general. Of course his generic version on the map is a joke. Only Mehmed with players' setup is good in case You know how to utilize his skills and active. For Challenge Conquest Charles with his new suit is the GOAT, he can capture cities and destroy units much faster and more efficiently than Mehmed, which this test confirms. Or maybe you think that this test is not the best indicator? |
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Post by andrei on May 17, 2023 19:12:05 GMT
He is definetely the GOAT in conquest mode. His skills and stats and unit are among the best and he can easily be under multiple buffs every single turn in case You use high mobility and low attack cost setup. And these buffs are really giving him serious advantage. He can recieve buffs by just marking the enemies. It is not even necessary to kill the enemy with Mehmed. He can mark units that are not adjacent. 2 hex range. Extremeky helpful against spam in Challenge mode. Superstrong general. Of course his generic version on the map is a joke. Only Mehmed with players' setup is good in case You know how to utilize his skills and active. For Challenge Conquest Charles with his new suit is the GOAT, he can capture cities and destroy units much faster and more efficiently than Mehmed, which this test confirms. Or maybe you think that this test is not the best indicator? Which test? Mehmed in this video has awful setup. So bad setup for Mehmed and good for Charles is definetely bad test. Charles is good but he is slower. His mobility and quantity of attacks (and consequently damage dealt) is worse than Mehmed can provide. Upd: was thinking You are talking about Charles VII. Charles the Great is very good no doubt, and he is very good for conquest if speaking about capturing cities and mopping up. But if we need to break enemy spam line he is worse. Needs healing/support far more. Mehmed is less vulnerable simply because he is archer general. My Charles the Great setup is Hendao, Hospitalier and Kheshig. Charlemagne and Mehmed has different roles in Conquests imo. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 17, 2023 20:15:31 GMT
For Challenge Conquest Charles with his new suit is the GOAT, he can capture cities and destroy units much faster and more efficiently than Mehmed, which this test confirms. Or maybe you think that this test is not the best indicator? Which test? Mehmed in this video has awful setup. So bad setup for Mehmed and good for Charles is definetely bad test. Charles is good but he is slower. His mobility and quantity of attacks (and consequently damage dealt) is worse than Mehmed can provide. Upd: was thinking You are talking about Charles VII. Charles the Great is very good no doubt, and he is very good for conquest if speaking about capturing cities and mopping up. But if we need to break enemy spam line he is worse. Needs healing/support far more. Mehmed is less vulnerable simply because he is archer general. My Charles the Great setup is Hendao, Hospitalier and Kheshig. Charlemagne and Mehmed has different roles in Conquests imo. How in the world did you think I was talking about Charles VII Dude, you really need to start paying attention to the context I agree with you that different Generals have different roles on the battlefield, that's why I wouldn't award the title of GOAT to anyone, especially since there are many Generals good for breaking enemy spam formations, personally I like to do that the most with Robert the Bruce. |
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Post by andrei on May 17, 2023 22:27:53 GMT
Which test? Mehmed in this video has awful setup. So bad setup for Mehmed and good for Charles is definetely bad test. Charles is good but he is slower. His mobility and quantity of attacks (and consequently damage dealt) is worse than Mehmed can provide. Upd: was thinking You are talking about Charles VII. Charles the Great is very good no doubt, and he is very good for conquest if speaking about capturing cities and mopping up. But if we need to break enemy spam line he is worse. Needs healing/support far more. Mehmed is less vulnerable simply because he is archer general. My Charles the Great setup is Hendao, Hospitalier and Kheshig. Charlemagne and Mehmed has different roles in Conquests imo. How in the world did you think I was talking about Charles VII Dude, you really need to start paying attention to the context I agree with you that different Generals have different roles on the battlefield, that's why I wouldn't award the title of GOAT to anyone, especially since there are many Generals good for breaking enemy spam formations, personally I like to do that the most with Robert the Bruce. It's because I wouldn't even think someone except archer could be a GOAT. Way too many enemies are mixed legions having counter infantry in front so Cav gen can't be the GOAT. Bruce is strong, true, but again when fighting against counter infantry in front of a mixed legions it is not 100% guarantee to one-shot the enemy to utilize his ability to regain mobility. Archers at the same time are effective against any unit type and survivability is excellent due to low counterattack impact. |
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Oculus
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Post by Oculus on May 17, 2023 23:37:49 GMT
hrabrimalitoster You didn't use war drums? So how come your charlemagne has and sustained max morale up until the very end? IIRC charlemagne and the units you used (assuming they are maxed talent), don't have any morale buff skills. Something doesn't add up.
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