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Post by dalimar on Nov 28, 2023 14:37:05 GMT
Hello, I've started GCS a few days ago and I'm facing several choices as F2P player. As I'd like to avoid shooting myself in the knee, I'm looking for some insight from more experienced daimyo.
I've read through the 'GCS: first steps' thread. I've seen the poll about spending early Ban-kin with most answers pointing to buying elite units. So far I'm doing chapter 3 in campaign and 25 castles in Tenkabito.
In the initial 50 recruitments I got Mori Motonari and no other interesting generals. Currently I have saved 40 Magatama and 2400 Ban-Kin. Due to fixed rolls, my options seem to be:
- if I roll 40 Magatama, I can get either Akechi Mitsuhide or Tokugawa Ieyasu om 31+ roll,
- if I then spend 2400 Ban-Kin on 40 more Magatama, I can then get Hojo Ujiyasu on 71+ roll (plus Chosokabe Motochika, also a couple of less interesting violet generals and some more blues).
So, would it be better to:
- Restart? Already tried 5 times, always got worse results in first 70 rolls.
- Roll my 40 Magatama now? If rolling, should I choose Akechi or Tokugawa? They both lack Legendary Story and seem to be on similar power level.
- Roll 40 Magatama and spend 2400 Ban-kin to get also Hojo and Chosokabe and their Legendary Stories?
- Spend Ban-kin on elite units and try to earn Magatama in other ways to get Hojo?
- Keep Ban-kin and wait - for what? Reset of fixed rolls after some further update, release of more powerful generals and better elite units in the Treasure shop?
If/when I get to 150 rolls, would it be sensible to spend the 150 blue flame fragments (however those are called) on unlocking Yamanaka or Shimazu to get another Legendary Story? If yes, which one? I don't have any of their fragments currently. Or perhaps I should spend them on unlocking several other violet generals, for which I have 25+ fragments?
I've played EW7 before. Getting generals in Gacha mode is a bit hard to accept, but there are some things I like in this game, so I'm willing to give it a try.
Sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language. And thanks for reading, this got long...
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2023 15:39:10 GMT
I am currently playing with Hojo/Mori/Chosokabe trio and I couldn't wish for more. There is a great synergy between them. Their corresponding chapters in the library are the best place to do your daily sweeps. You'll get plenty of resources for completing their chapters as well, including 3 unique units. Mori and Hojo also have legendary blueprints of weapons as a reward for the beating last stage on hard difficulty. On normal difficulty you can complete these chapters after a couple of days of playing. And thus you can farm their fragments right from the beginning. I would choose this path, if I were you... Well, actually I did it  Don't burn your energy immidietly. Wait until you get fragments of other generals with special chapters in the library. Only when you have 26-29 fragments consider buying remaining fragments. You simply don't need them urgently since you have enough for daily sweeps with Hojo/Mori/Chosokabe chapters. Getting Horse Archers for Mori and DoP for Hojo is your next goal apparently. DoP is a better unit than Hojo's special unit, but you can skip this. Horse Archers, however, are the best f2p unit so far. |
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 28, 2023 15:48:43 GMT
First of: Maybe my ideas are toxic bro. Dont overthink the restarting stuff if you already kinda progressed in the game, it sucks to replay freakin progress if you replay much more than the initial tutorial. Same this stuff with hoping for an update reset of saved recruitment data, i mean, there is precedent in ew7, but what are the chances gonna be?? i cannot in good conscience RECCOMEND to do so. I am waiting bc i hardly have time to play so who cares if i sit on magatama or generals... I would go for: 1 Akechi over Tokugawa 2 buy MA und Horoshu from ban kin shop literally first thing and upgrade them fast. 3 Play camapign and tenkabito until you get stuck, but accumulate ban kin by playing. 4 postpone the hojo + chosokabe magatama purchase until later once you actually have high tenkabito and can raid that many legends... until then focus on units and Moris raid. 5 edit: yes as stoic says dont waste blue flame on just any gens only where you have already high fragment count and preferably HL gens |
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
Here is an example of how good Mori and Chosokabe work together even before they start to attack   |
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Post by SolidLight on Nov 28, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
Gonna be honest, the only real choice to make here is Ieyasu vs Mitsuhide. 2400 on Magatama is way too much for ch. 3 and 25 cities given that there’s a bunch of things you should be getting, horses, healing items, units. I got like 160 or so before spending any Ban-kin
I can’t say much about Ieyasu vs Mitsuhide, because I don’t have Ieyasu.
This game isn’t really hard so far that you’d NEED good early game luck to get through, and eventually we’ll have everyone anyway. I mean I got really unlucky early on outside of getting Yoshihisa, and I didn’t rig the RNG or anything and I’m still pretty much ahead of most people here.
You do get an economical advantage if you do rig the RNG, and this is an amazing seed: Motonari, Ujiyasu and Motochika in 70 or so rolls is insanely good economically, since those guys give the best possible sweeps for an F2P player. So definetly don’t reset.
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Post by jonblend on Nov 28, 2023 18:26:28 GMT
Recruit until Hojo + Chosukabe, and buy horse archer. The other iap units are nice to eventually have but not this urgent. You will get enough Magatama from campaign, smelting, achievements etc, so you probably won't need to buy them with ban-kin.
I'd pick Akechi over Tokugawa because he can be a decent musket user and you already have two archers in Mori and Chosukabe. It could be that Tokugawa will get special treatment in a future update (skin, legendary story (LS)) due to his historical importance, but that's pure speculation.
Three LS generals is good enough since we only have 5 sweeps (2+2+1). Two golds among them means you don't have to spend so much blue flames for buying the other two LS generals. This can wait until you have gone through normal and hard campaign as well as the majority of Tenkabito.
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Post by dalimar on Nov 28, 2023 19:40:59 GMT
Thanks for all the answers and ideas! I would like to start using Hojo Ujiyasu and Chosokabe Motochika right now, but it seems prudent to wait and keep/use my Ban-kin for other stuff. On the other hand, I think there is no point in keeping unused Magatama, if I have a decent roll ahead. Still undecided between Tokugawa Ieyasu and Akechi Mitsuhide. As jonblend wrote, Tokugawa would be my third good archer. I've read the Archer General's setup thread, with some interesting info on this team. Low level Tokugawa seems to be a better in his role as archer commander than Akechi as Teppo commander. Tokugawa has 5 archer icons and Mastery of Archery at lv.4 to Akechi's 4 musket icons and Mastery of Shooting lv. 3. Tokugawa's Crossbowmen can be obtained for free in campaign 3.6 (hard), while Akechi's Rain-covering Teppo costs 1250 Ban-kin is the shop. I guess this price difference will not matter in few months, but then perhaps a single roll of a golden hero will also not matter much. For my resets, I hoped to get a dream roll with two golden heroes in 10 rolls, similar to the one posted by stoic . Alas, that didn't happen  I couldn't get two golden heroes in 70 rolls in 5 tries. As SolidLight wrote: For me that will be second golden hero in 80 and Hojo (plus Motochika) in 130 rolls, still quite ok it seems. stoic , nice screenshots, looking forward to this combo. |
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Post by verily on Nov 29, 2023 1:18:49 GMT
i enjoy akechi skill. but the cooldown is long. tokugawa good as archer gen.
but lets be honest purple gen is best than gold.(for f2p)
also burn banki to win in tenkabito/campaign. you can get banki in daily quest. i still in 2 daily quest so long time to progress.
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Post by verily on Nov 29, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
ahhhhhh. you must not burn banki and turn to depression. didnt get any high tier gen spending all 2150 banki.for 2pulls.
use it wisely. gonna stop for now.
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Post by balthazar on Nov 29, 2023 12:08:19 GMT
Good units cost bankin as much as 30 magatama. So while bankin is high in early game save and see what you get. If nothing noteworthy then reload and purchase elite units? Be sure to spend your upgrade material economically, do not upgrade regular troops if you have special units unlocked for that matter. And lastly, for f2p do not invest heavily in either tokugawa or akechi since you cannot get their fragments from daily sweeps. Remember upgrading cost 30-60-90-120-150-180(I assume) for each star, so it is exponentially harder to upgrade them with random drops. I would say pick your first targets that can be upgraded via library and daily tasks. Then for the random drops again choose your golden general. When you get a gold drop reload and check the time limited events,if your hero isnt there wait for the event (or you can use magatamas only during events obviously, but I cant wait ). So in short try to focus your resources on units and generals. |
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Post by dalimar on Nov 29, 2023 19:24:02 GMT
I find that I'm quite patient/lazy as far as progress goes, but I don't like loosing good random rolls. I mean, if I can get a good general now and then need to wait a week or two to buy better special unit, I'll take that option. I might not roll so well in the future, but Ban-kin will accumulate. Does the time-limited recruitment event change on sunday/monday night at midnight GMT? It would be nice to see the exact time-limit for a time-limited event in game. I need to get 47 Magatama before it changes Still, I'd like to spend as little Ban-kin as possible, so I'm going to try to earn as much Magatama as I can in the next few days. |
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Post by balthazar on Nov 30, 2023 16:53:14 GMT
I find that I'm quite patient/lazy as far as progress goes, but I don't like loosing good random rolls. I mean, if I can get a good general now and then need to wait a week or two to buy better special unit, I'll take that option. I might not roll so well in the future, but Ban-kin will accumulate. Does the time-limited recruitment event change on sunday/monday night at midnight GMT? It would be nice to see the exact time-limit for a time-limited event in game. I need to get 47 Magatama before it changes Still, I'd like to spend as little Ban-kin as possible, so I'm going to try to earn as much Magatama as I can in the next few days. In time limited events there is a text "event descripiton" on the upper right corner. Click it to see all 7 events time table. you need to know your event number though 🙂 |
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Post by dalimar on Nov 30, 2023 19:51:16 GMT
I find that I'm quite patient/lazy as far as progress goes, but I don't like loosing good random rolls. I mean, if I can get a good general now and then need to wait a week or two to buy better special unit, I'll take that option. I might not roll so well in the future, but Ban-kin will accumulate. Does the time-limited recruitment event change on sunday/monday night at midnight GMT? It would be nice to see the exact time-limit for a time-limited event in game. I need to get 47 Magatama before it changes Still, I'd like to spend as little Ban-kin as possible, so I'm going to try to earn as much Magatama as I can in the next few days. In time limited events there is a text "event descripiton" on the upper right corner. Click it to see all 7 events time table. you need to know your event number though 🙂 Thanks! I missed that one. Now I know I have 3 days to get all the Magatama I need! Current event number is quite obvious thankfully  |
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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 13:26:49 GMT
Thanks for all the answers and ideas! I would like to start using Hojo Ujiyasu and Chosokabe Motochika right now, but it seems prudent to wait and keep/use my Ban-kin for other stuff. On the other hand, I think there is no point in keeping unused Magatama, if I have a decent roll ahead. Still undecided between Tokugawa Ieyasu and Akechi Mitsuhide. As jonblend wrote, Tokugawa would be my third good archer. I've read the Archer General's setup thread, with some interesting info on this team. Low level Tokugawa seems to be a better in his role as archer commander than Akechi as Teppo commander. Tokugawa has 5 archer icons and Mastery of Archery at lv.4 to Akechi's 4 musket icons and Mastery of Shooting lv. 3. Tokugawa's Crossbowmen can be obtained for free in campaign 3.6 (hard), while Akechi's Rain-covering Teppo costs 1250 Ban-kin is the shop. I guess this price difference will not matter in few months, but then perhaps a single roll of a golden hero will also not matter much. For my resets, I hoped to get a dream roll with two golden heroes in 10 rolls, similar to the one posted by stoic . Alas, that didn't happen I couldn't get two golden heroes in 70 rolls in 5 tries. As SolidLight wrote: For me that will be second golden hero in 80 and Hojo (plus Motochika) in 130 rolls, still quite ok it seems. stoic , nice screenshots, looking forward to this combo. Btw, after reaching 3* every general increases his active skill by 1. My guess there will be another increase at lvl 6. So, Mori's active skill is only better as we progress not worse, as we could have expected of flat numbers. Usually in ET games flat bonuses are worse than % based bonuses when we are in the endgame. But here we have a more complex situation when flat bonuses are modified by a total strength of a general.  |
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Post by dalimar on Dec 1, 2023 17:04:58 GMT
Btw, after reaching 3* every general increases his active skill by 1. My guess there will be another increase at lvl 6. So, Mori's active skill is only better as we progress not worse, as we could have expected of flat numbers. Usually in ET games flat bonuses are worse than % based bonuses when we are in the endgame. But here we have a more complex situation when flat bonuses are modified by a total strength of a general. I've seen the increased damage of Mori's skill after levelling up and equipping items. As for ranks, Rank 2 opens 3rd skill, rank 3 increases active skill level, rank 4 opens 4th skill, rank 5 is (?) and rank 6 opens 5th skill. So perhaps rank 5 is another active skill increase? Edit: Another thing - it seems Mori's skill damage is based on intelligence, even though it's not stated anywhere. For example, in the description of Uesugi Kenshin skill it says 'Damage is according to general's leadership from both side'. Broken English aside, in this case it is clearly stated which attribute improves skill damage. I don't have Uesugi Kenshin, so can't check how it works exactly. |
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