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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 18:34:40 GMT
Btw, after reaching 3* every general increases his active skill by 1. My guess there will be another increase at lvl 6. So, Mori's active skill is only better as we progress not worse, as we could have expected of flat numbers. Usually in ET games flat bonuses are worse than % based bonuses when we are in the endgame. But here we have a more complex situation when flat bonuses are modified by a total strength of a general.  I've seen the increased damage of Mori's skill after levelling up and equipping items. As for ranks, Rank 2 opens 3rd skill, rank 3 increases active skill level, rank 4 opens 4th skill, rank 5 is (?) and rank 6 opens 5th skill. So perhaps rank 5 is another active skill increase? Edit: Another thing - it seems Mori's skill damage is based on intelligence, even though it's not stated anywhere. For example, in the description of Uesugi Kenshin skill it says 'Damage is according to general's leadership from both side'. Broken English aside, in this case it is clearly stated which attribute improves skill damage. I don't have Uesugi Kenshin, so can't check how it works exactly. Quite likely. As we can notice, regular units received more damage than generals. Since regular units have different defense (yet the damage is always the same against any kind of units), it should be something else that mitigates the damage. |
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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 18:47:04 GMT
dalimarI can confirm your assumption. Here is the damage before and after Intelligence increase by several points  
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Post by dalimar on Dec 1, 2023 20:05:01 GMT
stoic , I tested Mori's skill damage on several heroes in one shot:  Mori - intelligence 135 Troops: damage received 100 - intelligence 0 (oh no!) General 1: damage received 72 (intelligence 94, leadership 92, valor 65, agility 56) General 2: damage received 79 (intelligence 69, leadership 79, valor 75, agility 55) General 3: damage received 81 (intelligence 62, leadership 70, valor 67, agility 48) Looks like formula for Mori's skill damage in this range is linear (or close), something like 60+X*int_difference. But your damage numbers are much higher, what was the intelligence score of your Mori for 123, 143, 146 damage?
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Post by stoic on Dec 2, 2023 2:20:34 GMT
stoic , I tested Mori's skill damage on several heroes in one shot: Mori - intelligence 135 Troops: damage received 100 - intelligence 0 (oh no!) General 1: damage received 72 (intelligence 94, leadership 92, valor 65, agility 56) General 2: damage received 79 (intelligence 69, leadership 79, valor 75, agility 55) General 3: damage received 81 (intelligence 62, leadership 70, valor 67, agility 48) Looks like formula for Mori's skill damage in this range is linear (or close), something like 60+X*int_difference. But your damage numbers are much higher, what was the intelligence score of your Mori for 123, 143, 146 damage? Mine has lvl 4 of his active  |
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Post by kanue on Dec 2, 2023 4:04:44 GMT
stoic , I tested Mori's skill damage on several heroes in one shot: Mori - intelligence 135 Troops: damage received 100 - intelligence 0 (oh no!) General 1: damage received 72 (intelligence 94, leadership 92, valor 65, agility 56) General 2: damage received 79 (intelligence 69, leadership 79, valor 75, agility 55) General 3: damage received 81 (intelligence 62, leadership 70, valor 67, agility 48) Looks like formula for Mori's skill damage in this range is linear (or close), something like 60+X*int_difference. But your damage numbers are much higher, what was the intelligence score of your Mori for 123, 143, 146 damage? Based on your data points, the formula is 60 + 0.3*int_diffIf you have data for a higher level of the skill, we can also figure out if the formula is different. |
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Post by dalimar on Dec 2, 2023 13:32:15 GMT
stoic , I tested Mori's skill damage on several heroes in one shot: Mori - intelligence 135 Troops: damage received 100 - intelligence 0 (oh no!) General 1: damage received 72 (intelligence 94, leadership 92, valor 65, agility 56) General 2: damage received 79 (intelligence 69, leadership 79, valor 75, agility 55) General 3: damage received 81 (intelligence 62, leadership 70, valor 67, agility 48) Looks like formula for Mori's skill damage in this range is linear (or close), something like 60+X*int_difference. But your damage numbers are much higher, what was the intelligence score of your Mori for 123, 143, 146 damage? Mine has lvl 4 of his active That explains part of the difference. kanue said: It could be useful to compare some data with skill level 3 and skill level 4 and an enemy with known int score. It seems increasing skill level increases both base damage and damage coefficient. So Mori's skill damage for a given skill level =stated_damage+X Lv*int_diff For skill level 2 it would be 60+X 2*int_diff, where X 2 is about 0,3 (for me it calculated to about 0.293, but i'm not sure about rounding in this game). For skill level 4 it would be 80+X 4*int_diff, where X 4 seems to be about 0.4. It could be that X 4 is 80/60 (or ~1.333) of X 2 , that would mean that base damage and damage per point of int difference increase by the same percentage per level of skill. So the damage at level 4 would be ~1.333 of damage at level 2. I think I'll leave it at that, to much math already  |
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Post by dalimar on Dec 8, 2023 17:06:36 GMT
So, 10 days ago I've posted a bunch of newbie questions and received some good advice, thanks for that! So I thought I'd post a little follow-up summary.
I'm happy to say that I've reached most of the goals I've set for myself:
- finished available campaign chapters, both modes,
- reached 100 castles in Tenkabito and upgraded Tenshu to level 5 (500k coins, yay!),
- done with 3 legendary stories, sweeping them happily 5 times a day,
- achieved the above without buying any elite (Ban-kin shop) units,
- reached my target recruitment number (140) in time last week, wasting only 120 Ban-kin on 2 Magatama,
- explored the future - tested my next 150 recruitments,
- understood the game a little bit better.
Painful stuff:
- failed to realize that Magatama in Broken Blade and Black Iron stores refreshes only once per week. So i kind of 'lost' 20 Magatama previous week. I didn't have the currency then, but could have gotten it if I'd tried,
- have not found a good way to farm coins yet,
- in my next 150 recruitments I got worse luck, so not too excited for what waits for me there,
- Conquest mode is so slooooow! Conquest save is erased on cloud archive download... I can't find the will and enthusiasm to actually enjoy this mode. Also, some mechanics in this game are better than in EW7, but the overall 'feel' is less exciting for me. I had more fun conquering Europe than some (more or less random for me) Japanese clans. I guess a player from Japan would see it the other way.
Looking forward to:
- content update,
- 400k expeditions I read you guys are doing (when I get the coin), but I think I need to roll more generals for that and upgrade some equipment (more coins and materials, yes!),
- upgrading my generals through daily Bugyosho tasks and LS sweeps.
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Post by CharlesMartel on Dec 8, 2023 17:20:45 GMT
If your next 150 rolls are not good, then something to consider is saving those rolls until the next update. I expect them to add a few new generals, which means they would have to re-randomize your future rolls. I've been "rolling ahead" as well and so far I haven't seen much that makes me desperate to spend my Magatama right now. If I run into serious roadblocks as I unlock Expeditions, then maybe I will forge ahead for more purples, but it takes some time to build up the coin to unlock all of those.
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Post by dalimar on Dec 8, 2023 17:43:24 GMT
If your next 150 rolls are not good, then something to consider is saving those rolls until the next update. I expect them to add a few new generals, which means they would have to re-randomize your future rolls. I've been "rolling ahead" as well and so far I haven't seen much that makes me desperate to spend my Magatama right now. If I run into serious roadblocks as I unlock Expeditions, then maybe I will forge ahead for more purples, but it takes some time to build up the coin to unlock all of those. Yes, this is exactly what I'm doing and planning to do. Saving my Magatama for now. Also hoping the update will not be forced, so I get the choice to roll old/new set. |
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Post by stoic on Dec 8, 2023 18:08:19 GMT
dalimarThe best method for farming coins I have found so far is Shimazu's chapter 1 on hard. You need just two clicks: 1. The first one automatic deployment of your generals. 2. Switch it to full auto.
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Post by stoic on Dec 8, 2023 18:16:34 GMT
I personally re-evaluated some of the existing generals. I literally don't use Ieyasu any more. Even in Expeditions. On the other hand Maeda is without questions a top tier addition to our teams. So, it is always important to take into account who are the purple guys you got. Because certain names are more important than their colors. Purple tier generals like Maeda, Shibata, Shimazu brothers, Chosokabe, Otomo Sorin definitely have a bright future. In case of some gold tier generals I still have my doubts...
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Post by dalimar on Dec 8, 2023 18:28:21 GMT
I don't have Shimazu yet. I can get him if I roll another 50 Magatama and use 5 exchange tokens to get 1 of his fragments. Would you say he is worth spending 50 Magatama before update?
Sadly, no Otomo Sorin or Yamanaka Yukimori in my next 150 rolls.
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Post by stoic on Dec 8, 2023 19:24:03 GMT
I don't have Shimazu yet. I can get him if I roll another 50 Magatama and use 5 exchange tokens to get 1 of his fragments. Would you say he is worth spending 50 Magatama before update? Sadly, no Otomo Sorin or Yamanaka Yukimori in my next 150 rolls. Usually, it is not a good idea. We don't know what future updates will throw in us. So, a waiting strategy is always the best course of action in ET games. For example, best f2p generals of EW7 Timur and Subutai weren't the part of the roster until the mid-game. I am sure that we'll get fragments of most important purple generals sooner or later. And don't spend this bluish energy for getting remaining fragments of generals you already have. It is extremely difficult to get it, so consider it to be your strategic reserve. Use it only then when there aren't any doubts about the exchange. Like getting fragments of legendary/epic generals with excellent skills and chapters in the library. |
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Post by balthazar on Dec 8, 2023 19:25:02 GMT
Unless they get their chapters both Yokugawa and Akechi is doomed to fail, we cant really push them above 3 stars.
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Post by Kurt von Schleicher on Dec 8, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
Unless they get their chapters both Yokugawa and Akechi is doomed to fail, we cant really push them above 3 stars. agree togukawa fragments is hard to come by but still can farm 6 pieces everyday in daily Missions. More than that I want library missions for my Oda and hope it will rewards me good like Takeda sweep. |
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