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Post by doiharakenji on Feb 8, 2024 9:32:08 GMT
I have collected some ban-kin recently and I was wondering wether I should spend it on ban-kin gear from treasure pavillion or on magatama.
It seems that ban-kin gear from treasure pavillion isn't that good, especially purple accessoires, but on the other hand magatama is quite expensive so I don't know if it will be enough to sufficiently boost my generals.
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Post by coffin on Feb 8, 2024 10:28:31 GMT
Same dilema i spend it on treasure pavillion and its worth it i think.I only bought troops from iap store and nothing else too expensive.when treasure pavillion refresh you can buy most troop upgrade mats and equipment mats with coins and ban kin thats more worth it if you have enough patience.I would suggest buy the rest of what you need from iap store depending on which you wanna focus first General rank,troop lvl,equipment lvl?thats your choice.Magatamas is not worth it because the gacha is fixed and unless you wanna spend real money making a general to ⁶ stars is gonna be a long process.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Feb 8, 2024 11:02:51 GMT
For Ban-kin, the best are IAP units, plans for forging, and the ready-made equipment.
Afterwards, it's just Magatama.
Not sure about the blue ones, but arguably, if you have good income to forge, melt and collect 50 things for the payment for Magatama (bottom shop), and give your secondary gens kits, don't invest in the blue gear.
Maybe the purple gear as well.
I can't really judge whether to buy purple and even lower tier equipment because I have a mix of Library drops, rewards, purchases, and forged items.
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Post by stoic on Feb 8, 2024 11:54:25 GMT
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Feb 8, 2024 13:05:30 GMT
Pass on Rain-covering teppo and carrack, but get the other units. After that, gold equipment, as much as you need (I haven't bought all the gold horses yet). I wouldn't bother even with purple equipment except for some of the scrolls. After that, magatama.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 8, 2024 13:56:33 GMT
Pass on Rain-covering teppo and carrack, but get the other units. After that, gold equipment, as much as you need (I haven't bought all the gold horses yet). I wouldn't bother even with purple equipment except for some of the scrolls. After that, magatama. I actually think that rain-covering teppo isn't a bad investment. It's common enough in campaign that it's probably worthwhile to upgrade, and its weather and swamp ignoring effects are situationally useful. It also serves as another teppo unit to place more teppo generals when you're grinding expeditions, which Nobunaga Oda has shown to be very effective. But yeah, carrack seems to be a waste of 950 ban-kin, probably until the Korean campaign when Yi Sun-shin destroys all our ships - and even then it's doubtful!
Now referring to the original post, as for the other use of your ban-kin after getting all the IAP units (except carrack), items and ban-kin are your friend. Looking at your roster it's pretty good, so I would focus on some of the gold and purple accessories over magatama. Once you think you're solid on items I'd say go for magatama and collect more fragments. I think you're underestimating some of the greatness of the ban-kin gear in the Treasure Pavilion.
Spider Teapot is just bad though, so I can see where you're coming from. Good thing Matsunaga Hisahide blew it up.
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Post by kyokusanagi on Feb 8, 2024 16:12:10 GMT
at least two units, mounted ones are important, then some toys, for beginnning purple are fine , then slowly golden ones, esp swords etc.
Like all say.
Patience plus constant load in library to get at least 2 of equipments per day.
vbr
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Feb 9, 2024 3:29:09 GMT
Pass on Rain-covering teppo and carrack, but get the other units. After that, gold equipment, as much as you need (I haven't bought all the gold horses yet). I wouldn't bother even with purple equipment except for some of the scrolls. After that, magatama. I actually think that rain-covering teppo isn't a bad investment. It's common enough in campaign that it's probably worthwhile to upgrade, and its weather and swamp ignoring effects are situationally useful. It also serves as another teppo unit to place more teppo generals when you're grinding expeditions, which Nobunaga Oda has shown to be very effective. Sure, it's common enough, but apart from rain/snow (swamps are easily avoided) it's not significantly better than other teppo units. Your best teppo general goes on mounted teppo anyway, assuming F2P at best your third-best teppo general specializes in it. The few rain/snow expedition battles, you have enough archers to carry you, for the others you have enough teppo units for your good generals. Would I use it if I had it/could get it for coins? Yes, absolutely. But I've never been in a position where I needed or wanted to spend 20 magatama on it. |
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Post by kanue on Feb 9, 2024 3:38:05 GMT
If you like playing Conquest and need many generals in your rooster then purple equipment are not bad.
I never have enough horses for my generals in Conquest. And note that you will receive +5% damage and -5% damage taken just from putting something on all of the four equipment slots, so I even sometimes buy some bad purple treasures just for the sake of filling the slots.
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Post by run4glory on Feb 9, 2024 7:55:14 GMT
Another advantage of purple equipment: they will be incredibly easy to upgrade  because you will always have enough materials. You wont be prioritizing upgrading them bc it still costs coins, but once you run out of legendary materials, an upgraded purple can end up better than an unupgraded gold item |
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Post by doiharakenji on Feb 9, 2024 10:33:25 GMT
Thank you all for the advice! I have bought some purple accessories and gold horses.
However, I'm not sure if it's necessary to buy IAP units. The thing is that I'm struggling to upgrade to the max lvl all my existing units, especially when it comes to cav and archers. I already have mounted teppo and archer for Date and Mori. So will it be a good idea to buy DoP, Horoshu, or Elite infantry? It seems like it can be overwhelming to upgrade even more troops, or is it worth it?
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Post by kanue on Feb 9, 2024 11:36:58 GMT
The thing is that I'm struggling to upgrade to the max lvl all my existing units, especially when it comes to cav and archers. I already have mounted teppo and archer for Date and Mori. So will it be a good idea to buy DoP, Horoshu, or Elite infantry? It seems like it can be overwhelming to upgrade even more troops, or is it worth it? I think it is more feasible to upgrade only a handful units that you will be using because you probably won't have enough materials to upgrade all any time soon. A few max level units are more useful than many half-ungraded units. For example, I only upgrade ashigaru, yari samurai, and elite samurai because I am using these units quite often while majority of other units are left unupgraded. And to answer your question, I think you should buy DoP and Elite samurai. Elite samurai is for Hideyoshi and it is also everywhere in Conquest. DoP is just a good unit. Horoshu is a bit questionable imo. I bought it but eventually hardly use it anymore. All my cavalry generals are riding on either Akazonae cavalry or Hatamoto. It can be useful in Tenkabito though. |
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 9, 2024 12:41:25 GMT
The thing is that I'm struggling to upgrade to the max lvl all my existing units, especially when it comes to cav and archers. I already have mounted teppo and archer for Date and Mori. So will it be a good idea to buy DoP, Horoshu, or Elite infantry? It seems like it can be overwhelming to upgrade even more troops, or is it worth it? I think it is more feasible to upgrade only a handful units that you will be using because you probably won't have enough materials to upgrade all any time soon. A few max level units are more useful than many half-ungraded units. For example, I only upgrade ashigaru, yari samurai, and elite samurai because I am using these units quite often while majority of other units are left unupgraded. And to answer your question, I think you should buy DoP and Elite samurai. Elite samurai is for Hideyoshi and it is also everywhere in Conquest. DoP is just a good unit. Horoshu is a bit questionable imo. I bought it but eventually hardly use it anymore. All my cavalry generals are riding on either Akazonae cavalry or Hatamoto. It can be useful in Tenkabito though. I'm mostly in agreement with this, but on second thought I'm wondering how much do we need DoP. It is the best war gear unit in the game, hands down, but when can you use it? You can use it in campaign by spawning it in one of your precious spawn slots but there isn't any factory that builds these things. What about conquest? Well, the first unit is free but I'm sure many people would prefer to place down their mounted teppo unit instead of their war gear, which DoP has a knowledge point cost of 114. That's awfully expensive! The alternative forces you to instead spend 84 knowledge points to spawn that mounted teppo unit that of course you want in your conquest. Still very steep. And even if we could find a factory that spawns DoP in conquest, the point's moot since all spawned units (non-tavern) use a set level there independent of your unit level. So that just leaves Tenkabito, where DoP has the majority of its use. While there's a lot of sieging in that mode, good generals can act as a substitute for DoP for cracking cities: I find that Hideyoshi despite not having any sieging skills still cracks cities very effectively. And all except the expeditions are one and done, with the latter being more focused on pitched battles. And, there's really only two war gear generals in the game: Hojo Ujiyasu and Otomo Sorin. (No, Mori Terumoto doesn't count.) If you don't have either of those, there's no real reason to even get DoP. Of course vis à vis doiharakenji that last point doesn't matter since he has Ujiyasu. I just don't know if there's really a battlefield for them. Speaking of the original question, please, focus on upgrading your mounted units before anything else in archer and teppo. They're the best, and we want our best to be at their best. For units, I think elite samurai fits really well for you, and dependent on how many cavalry generals you use in Tenkabito Horoshu. Make sure you actually plan on using your ban-kin units, it'll be a horrible waste if you buy it just to leave it collecting dust! And that's the most important part honestly, if you use it, it was a worthwhile purchase. |
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Post by SolidLight on Feb 9, 2024 13:03:30 GMT
Horoshu Cavs are actually fairly accessible despite only being spawnable out of a single city. Kiyosu is in a very central position on the map so a lot of factions can use it. And it’s cheaper than other units while being arguably even stronger than the Hatamoto.
And there’s tons of awesome cavalrymen in this game even as an F2P player. So definetly get that one. DoP is something that I think can be skipped.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 9, 2024 14:45:36 GMT
Horoshu Cavs are actually fairly accessible despite only being spawnable out of a single city. Kiyosu is in a very central position on the map so a lot of factions can use it. And it’s cheaper than other units while being arguably even stronger than the Hatamoto. And there’s tons of awesome cavalrymen in this game even as an F2P player. So definetly get that one. DoP is something that I think can be skipped. Very true, although in conquest the level of your units doesn't matter if you're spawning it out of a castle or a troop camp since the levels are all fixed: i.e. your unit levels do not affect how powerful units in conquest are spawned. The only caveat to this blanket rule is tavern generals, who spawn with your units and therefore takes the level of your unit.
I still would recommend Horoshu cav to someone starting out since you get Maeda Keiji guaranteed for free and he performs very well on it, while it may take longer to get a good archer/teppo general and definitely a lot longer for war gear. For a lot of the campaign I used Honganji Kennyo as my main war gear general since I had no one better, despite him being more fitted towards infantry with a slight hybridization towards war gear.
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because you will always have enough materials. You wont be prioritizing upgrading them bc it still costs coins, but once you run out of legendary materials, an upgraded purple can end up better than an unupgraded gold item
