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Post by bluepepper240 on Sept 14, 2024 8:10:41 GMT
The nation with the best generals (including IAP) is kind of hard to decide. We have the US with eisenhower, spaatz, abrams, eichelberger, spruance, and others. Abrams is debatebly top-1 tank gen, Spaatz is top-5 air gen, meanwhile Spruance is definitely top-1 carrier air gen. The UK has Cunningham (possibly the best naval gen), Brooke, and wavell. Japan has Yamamoto and Yamashita, but i dont know if we should count the non-available gens like Fuchida which is basically the same as Spruance. The USSR also has a great chance, they have gens like Zhukov, Tolbukhin, Chernyakovsky, Konev, and others. But the best contender is probably Germany, they have basically 3 out of the top 5 tank gens, they are Wittmann, Guderian, and Manstein, They also have other gens like Richtofen, Raeder, and others (You could also count Goring but he is basically at the same level as kesselring. The scorpion empire has colson and williams, but they also have many other unavailable gens that are on the level of some of the best gens in the game (i.e guderian, zhukov, nimitz). What nation do you think is the best?
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Post by nimrael on Sept 14, 2024 13:40:01 GMT
Overall germany has the best generals, they have at least one good option for every Situation. USSR lack a really Air general, Sokolovsky is only not really an air. US is lacking a good artillery general and japan is missing a Tank general.
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Post by journeykeen on Sept 14, 2024 18:01:45 GMT
The answer is Germany both f2p and p2w and it’s not even remotely close.
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Post by tristanknight on Sept 15, 2024 1:16:44 GMT
definitely germany. i'd say soviets are a distant 2nd and japan 3rd.
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Post by Colonia on Sept 16, 2024 11:08:26 GMT
Easily Germany and USSR second.
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Post by resiphius on Sept 16, 2024 14:27:13 GMT
Overall germany has the best generals, they have at least one good option for every Situation. USSR lack a really Air general, Sokolovsky is only not really an air. US is lacking a good artillery general and japan is missing a Tank general. Actually USSR’s lack of real air general can be kinda addressed by building Zhukov in air build, the true problem for USSR is the lack of real navy general: Kuznetsov only has 4 stars in navy and 3 skills that confines him to direct fire anti ship warfare, and you can’t even build a makeshift substitute out off other USSR generals (Vasilevsky navy build would be worse than him and Zhukov navy build only differs in having explosives instead of rumor, while the rest aren’t even worth a try). Japan’s problem is not only missing a tank general, its artillery general quality is also eyesore to look at (only slightly better than Badoglio depending on playstyle). |
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Post by nimrael on Sept 16, 2024 15:59:24 GMT
Overall germany has the best generals, they have at least one good option for every Situation. USSR lack a really Air general, Sokolovsky is only not really an air. US is lacking a good artillery general and japan is missing a Tank general. Actually USSR’s lack of real air general can be kinda addressed by building Zhukov in air build, the true problem for USSR is the lack of real navy general: Kuznetsov only has 4 stars in navy and 3 skills that confines him to direct fire anti ship warfare, and you can’t even build a makeshift substitute out off other USSR generals (Vasilevsky navy build would be worse than him and Zhukov navy build only differs in having explosives instead of rumor, while the rest aren’t even worth a try). Japan’s problem is not only missing a tank general, its artillery general quality is also eyesore to look at (only slightly better than Badoglio depending on playstyle). This parts parts of their army are atleast there, even it is bad. Maybe Isakov will be avaible in future updates, but i see no future for a japanese tank general. Only bronze tier would be possible and it seems like Easytech only add generals to silver and gold. |
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Post by Colonia on Sept 16, 2024 16:34:50 GMT
I would always prioritize having powerful tank generals over having a navy or air general. USSR has plenty of tank & artillery options.
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Post by resiphius on Sept 17, 2024 10:52:07 GMT
Actually USSR’s lack of real air general can be kinda addressed by building Zhukov in air build, the true problem for USSR is the lack of real navy general: Kuznetsov only has 4 stars in navy and 3 skills that confines him to direct fire anti ship warfare, and you can’t even build a makeshift substitute out off other USSR generals (Vasilevsky navy build would be worse than him and Zhukov navy build only differs in having explosives instead of rumor, while the rest aren’t even worth a try). Japan’s problem is not only missing a tank general, its artillery general quality is also eyesore to look at (only slightly better than Badoglio depending on playstyle). This parts parts of their army are atleast there, even it is bad. Maybe Isakov will be avaible in future updates, but i see no future for a japanese tank general. Only bronze tier would be possible and it seems like Easytech only add generals to silver and gold. Actually if ET wants it, they may make Seishirō Itagaki Japan’s tank general just like WC3 and Glory of Generals Pacific, or make commander of the IJA 1st armored division, Toshimoto Hoshino a playble gen. As for Isakov, imo the chance of ET releasing him as better navy than Kuznetsov would be smaller than releasing Shunroku Hata as better artillery than Terauchi, as ET seems to rank him lower than Kuznetsov. P.S. The 3 starter gens are all bronze tier btw. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 17, 2024 14:41:52 GMT
This parts parts of their army are atleast there, even it is bad. Maybe Isakov will be avaible in future updates, but i see no future for a japanese tank general. Only bronze tier would be possible and it seems like Easytech only add generals to silver and gold. Actually if ET wants it, they may make Seishirō Itagaki Japan’s tank general just like WC3 and Glory of Generals Pacific, or make commander of the IJA 1st armored division, Toshimoto Hoshino a playble gen. As for Isakov, imo the chance of ET releasing him as better navy than Kuznetsov would be smaller than releasing Shunroku Hata as better artillery than Terauchi, as ET seems to rank him lower than Kuznetsov. P.S. The 3 starter gens are all bronze tier btw. Sokolovsky, Chennault, and Kluge are terrible in WC3 and GoG3. |
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Post by resiphius on Sept 17, 2024 17:38:34 GMT
Actually if ET wants it, they may make Seishirō Itagaki Japan’s tank general just like WC3 and Glory of Generals Pacific, or make commander of the IJA 1st armored division, Toshimoto Hoshino a playble gen. As for Isakov, imo the chance of ET releasing him as better navy than Kuznetsov would be smaller than releasing Shunroku Hata as better artillery than Terauchi, as ET seems to rank him lower than Kuznetsov. P.S. The 3 starter gens are all bronze tier btw. Sokolovsky, Chennault, and Kluge are terrible in WC3 and GoG3. IMO reason for ET making Sokolovsky and Kluge suck in WC3 and GoG3 are just the duo irl being outshined by many more famous generals of the USSR and Third Reich, while Chennault might be designed with WW2 China warzone and ROC in mind, so he might be made weak to match the strength of ROC and SEA warzone enemies. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 17, 2024 18:45:32 GMT
Sokolovsky, Chennault, and Kluge are terrible in WC3 and GoG3. IMO reason for ET making Sokolovsky and Kluge suck in WC3 and GoG3 are just the duo irl being outshined by many more famous generals of the USSR and Third Reich, while Chennault might be designed with WW2 China warzone and ROC in mind, so he might be made weak to match the strength of ROC and SEA warzone enemies. The point is weak generals from other ET releases won't necessarily be weak in WC4, simply because a lot of them will be introduced as IAP. |
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Post by resiphius on Sept 18, 2024 15:22:01 GMT
IMO reason for ET making Sokolovsky and Kluge suck in WC3 and GoG3 are just the duo irl being outshined by many more famous generals of the USSR and Third Reich, while Chennault might be designed with WW2 China warzone and ROC in mind, so he might be made weak to match the strength of ROC and SEA warzone enemies. The point is weak generals from other ET releases won't necessarily be weak in WC4, simply because a lot of them will be introduced as IAP. Then why should ET go through all the trouble to buff Isakov when they can simply release Sergey Gorshkov as the USSR IAP instead? USSR navy under Gorshkov’s command saw extensive expansion and adoption of missile and nuke, which would provide good inspirations to ET on how to design him, such as making him a silver tier Eisenhower (with bio) Jr. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 18, 2024 19:27:40 GMT
The point is weak generals from other ET releases won't necessarily be weak in WC4, simply because a lot of them will be introduced as IAP. Then why should ET go through all the trouble to buff Isakov when they can simply release Sergey Gorshkov as the USSR IAP instead? USSR navy under Gorshkov’s command saw extensive expansion and adoption of missile and nuke, which would provide good inspirations to ET on how to design him, such as making him a silver tier Eisenhower (with bio) Jr. Because ET are so historically illiterate that I suspect they haven't even heard of Gorshkov. |
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Post by resiphius on Sept 19, 2024 7:14:09 GMT
Then why should ET go through all the trouble to buff Isakov when they can simply release Sergey Gorshkov as the USSR IAP instead? USSR navy under Gorshkov’s command saw extensive expansion and adoption of missile and nuke, which would provide good inspirations to ET on how to design him, such as making him a silver tier Eisenhower (with bio) Jr. Because ET are so historically illiterate that I suspect they haven't even heard of Gorshkov. As if more than half of the players would have heard of generals like Luigi Sansonetti, Hans-Jürgen von Arnim or Wilhelm Bittrich. In fact, if AB Cunningham is not that famous, most of those may end up mistaking him for his First Sea Lord successor John Cunningham or another John Cunningham serving RAF who both are WW2 veterans too. In contrast, Gorshkov has a class of warships named after him just like Nimitz, Spruance and Kuznetsov, which would allow the more layman players to have a chance to at least know his name. |
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