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Post by andrei on Jul 15, 2015 7:27:49 GMT
I've seen a lot of argues in the web regarding the cavalry generals. And also Lan was always underestimated from my side in favour of Lasalle. Don't know why. I decided to make a test. They have same cavalry fighting skills. But the difference is that Lan has a perfect accuracy (which is most mystic general ability for me and which is the only one can not be upgraded through regrouping). Lan also has critical hit ability - Assault Art. So, I made more than 30 loads for each with both of the generals (on the same unit with no items) attacking the same rival unit. I can say that if taking out from the statistic Lan critical hits the difference is only 1,5% damage. Lan is better. However it is almost nothing and I assume accuracy ability is not that important. But if we take all the hits from Lan we have 12% more damage. So anyway Lan is the best cavalry general in game. I don't know maybe nobody cares but that was interesting for me and I decided to post it  |
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Post by saltin on Jul 15, 2015 8:09:58 GMT
Andrei there is never a bad reason to post,post away as often as you like,whenever you feel like it.Sometimes people respond,sometimes not,it doesnt matter Anyways,yeah i kind of felt the same way at first that lan was really similar to lassale in combat ability.I think a lot of players say lasalle is best because you can get that general at the start of the game,while lan is really an end game general. |
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Post by kanue on Jul 15, 2015 9:39:16 GMT
Lasalle
- one more combat skill
- 5 Movement stars at the beginning
Lan
- Can crit
- Leadership
- More training stars
I would prefer Lan because...
- Combat skill just adds flat damage while, crit on the other hand, is scaled with other factors. In late game, when you have good items, flat damage becomes less noticeable, crit does not.
- Leadership is crucial for cavalry because you tend to be in the middle of enemies in order to kill multiple units. That's the whole point of being cavalry anyway.
- Movement stars can be trained but not training stars
- Sailor skill is too situational.
- Lan is free. Lasalle requires emblems. Obviously, I don't buy emblem.
Two weakness for (using) Lan that I find are...
- Crit is not reliable. If I am to evaluate whether a hit can kill the target, I cannot just multiply by crit chance and crit damage multiplier. I still need to base my calculation on "not crit." Statistically speaking, Lan's attack damage has greater variance than Lasalle's.
- As mentioned above Lasalle can be bought at the beginning while Lan pretty much requires 3 good generals to complete conquest game.
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Post by saltin on Jul 15, 2015 11:06:09 GMT
That's a very good point Kanue about cavalry and leadership.Out of all the units in the game cavalry does benefit the most from leadership if played correctly.
So big plus for Lan on that.
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Post by andrei on Jul 16, 2015 9:30:10 GMT
By the way I did the same experiment for Suvorov and Victoria with even more loads.
And Suvorov appeared to damage 9% more if we are not taking into account the Critical hits from Victoria, but even we take all her hits including critical, Suvorov will anyway do 3% more damage in avarage.
So, I assume Suvorov is better then Victoria, as he has two more fighting skills and Victoria's Defence Art is not that useful imo.
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Post by kanue on Jul 16, 2015 10:34:38 GMT
As the best infantry, I would also go for Suvorov because of 2 extra combat skills and crit being less reliable (mentioned on my post above). On the other hand, crit and def art are universal skills which function on all other unit and that makes Victoria a capable ship commander too. I upgraded her to 5 stars in infantry and navy.
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Post by andrei on Jul 16, 2015 12:39:06 GMT
As the best infantry, I would also go for Suvorov because of 2 extra combat skills and crit being less reliable (mentioned on my post above). On the other hand, crit and def art are universal skills which function on all other unit and that makes Victoria a capable ship commander too. I upgraded her to 5 stars in infantry and navy. That's true about navy. It's bad that easytech made just few missions for the admirals, maybe that's why there are no good admirals except Kate. And there is only one who is OK but for the emblems. |
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Post by bottlesofbeer on Jul 19, 2015 4:48:30 GMT
Never understood why there were no good admirals in European war 4.I mean they are great generals for every branch so why not navy.
Anyways regardless on who has slightly better skill combo,Lassale has to be considered the best simply as stated earlier he is available at the start and Lan is not.
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Post by The Armchair General on Jul 20, 2015 1:46:42 GMT
If you can afford the emblems get Lassalle right away you won't regret it,Lan would have been ok but waiting for her for 3/4 of the game is not.
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Post by xxxvikingxxx on Aug 11, 2015 7:10:02 GMT
Anyone know if suvarov os tier 2 or 3, planning to buy him but cant find him.
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Post by kanue on Aug 11, 2015 7:51:15 GMT
Anyone know if suvarov os tier 2 or 3, planning to buy him but cant find him. You can buy him on tier 3 academy for 6 emblems. |
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Post by xxxvikingxxx on Aug 11, 2015 9:07:43 GMT
Thank you
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Post by pug on Aug 11, 2015 13:36:04 GMT
Concerning Victoria or Suvorov:
I would always take Victoria. Defence art is enourmously powerful. If you dont mind reloading, you can reload in critical situations until she nearly gets no damage from attackers. Even if you dont use it, those negating of damage from time to time is already really nice. In the beginning it might not be of much use, but the deeper you get in the quests, the more powerful it becomes.
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Post by kanue on Aug 11, 2015 16:50:49 GMT
Concerning Victoria or Suvorov: I would always take Victoria. Defence art is enourmously powerful. If you dont mind reloading, you can reload in critical situations until she nearly gets no damage from attackers. Even if you dont use it, those negating of damage from time to time is already really nice. In the beginning it might not be of much use, but the deeper you get in the quests, the more powerful it becomes. On this matter, we may create another threat "Best infantry general: Victoria or Suvorov." I prefer Suvorov because combat 2 skills are more reliable than assault/defense art but that's only a matter of preference. Anyway, I use Victoria because she's kinda trophy of this game and, more importantly, I don't have enough emblems for Suvorov. |
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Post by grayfoxcz on Aug 15, 2015 21:27:37 GMT
Keep your Victorias and Suvorovs, Oudinot can do the job as well as any of those if you equip him with snair drum
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