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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2016 0:06:04 GMT
I feel sorry for the old man, Franz Joseph. Basically his entire family dies of Tragedy. Ferdinand maybe was the best change A-H had of making peace in Bosnia. Mustafa Kemal is someone I respect for his actions in gallipoli. Blucher was a good gen. Bismark is my favourite diplomat. Second is Metternich. Wellesley was Britain's King Arthur in it's time of (second) greatest time of need. Notice his 1st name  Manstein and Zhukov were both great gens. (Also, Vatutin dug in his T-34s. ) FDR dug the US out of the Great depression and well into WWII. He was a great man. And FDR helped the british A LOT he waant neutral he gave them ships for bases in uk and yeah I know that from Extra Credits I will use them, the Great War, and EUIV/Vicky as my sources a lot. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 0:11:14 GMT
And FDR helped the british A LOT he waant neutral he gave them ships for bases in uk and yeah I know that from Extra Credits I will use them, the Great War, and EUIV/Vicky as my sources a lot. The Great War channel goes deeply into ww1 and they have a channel that talk about history but I only watched Trafalgar because that was Nelson's greatest battle and sadly his last one |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2016 0:13:12 GMT
I will use them, the Great War, and EUIV/Vicky as my sources a lot. The Great War channel goes deeply into ww1 and they have a channel that talk about history but I only watched Trafalgar because that was Nelson's greatest battle and sadly his last one , IMO Copenhagen was his better one, but I won't argue with that. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 8, 2016 0:14:16 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack Franz Joseph: Lived really long, got to see his country descend further and further into collapse. Like Quintus Fabius, his whole family got killed or died all around him. He was not prepared for the modern era, however, and was authoritarian and very old school. Ferdinand: Racist and a bigot, but he wanted to give rights to the cultures of the empire which shows he could have been a competent leader. Mustafa Kemal: One of my favorite figures of the 20th century. He won the day at Gallipoli and was the only Ottoman commander to never be defeated in WWI. He then defended his country from the imperialists in Britain, France, and Greece by winning the Turkish Wars of Independence, basically saving his country from being torn apart as a result of the First World War. Wellesley: Dont know much about him other than that he defended Waterloo from the French. He effectively delayed the French from winning until the Prussians led by Blucher were able to secure the victory. Blucher: Prussian guy who was able to win Waterloo for the Coalition. Again, dont know much about him tho. Bismarck: One of my favorite figures...in general. He made a homeland for the German people, upset the delicate balance of power in Europe, and won against two of the strongest powers in Europe at the time: Austria and France. He was also a very cunning diplomat and an opportunist, knowing when to take advantage of a situation. Manstein: One of Germany's greatest generals. What more do I need to say? He was able to secure victory at the Battle of France and proved very effective during Operation Barbarossa. Zhukov: Won Khalkhin Gol and most importantly Stalingrad. One of the most important generals during the Second World War. FDR: My favorite person from history. Led Americans through the Great Depression and lessened the impact of it on the normal American, and led the U.S through most of WWII. Plus, he has two of my all time favorite speeches: The first being his first term inaugural address, saying, among other things, that there is "Nothing to fear but fear itself" and his Day of Infamy speech. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Aug 8, 2016 0:17:29 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack Franz Joseph: Lived through a lot as Emperor. While he was reactionary, I believe Vienna and Austria-Hungary was the most diverse place and the friendliest to the Jewish ( Jean-Luc Picard , correct me if I'm wrong) at his time. Franz Ferdinand: His death was a tragedy, and he's an ethical person. Attatürk: Unified Turkey, but the Armenian genocide though... and the veil ban. Wellesley: Good tactician and strategist, set up a formidable defense at Waterloo. Not so reliable on supporting though. Blücher: Only person to beat Nap twice, was loved by his men, aggresive, and really won Waterloo. I don't blame generals for drinking except on the battlefield (BUXHOEVEDEN) Bismarck: Genius diplomat, unified Germany. He was never a colonial person too. Firing was tragic and ultimately Germany's alliance with Russia was scrapped. Erich von Manstein : Military genius who planned Fall Gelb. His retreat is amazing too. Committed some warcrimes though. Zhukov: He could see the big picture of the front and could stand up to Stalin. FDR: This is a hard choice. On one hand, he helped eradicate the Great Depression and led America in WWII, but he interned the Japanese and didn't accept Jewish refugees (again, Jean-Luc Picard could clarify this) |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2016 0:19:01 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack Franz Joseph: Lived really long, got to see his country descend further and further into collapse. Like Quintus Fabius , his whole family got killed or died all around him. He was not prepared for the modern era, however, and was authoritarian and very old school. Ferdinand: Racist and a bigot, but he wanted to give rights to the cultures of the empire which shows he could have been a competent leader. Mustafa Kemal: One of my favorite figures of the 20th century. He won the day at Gallipoli and was the only Ottoman commander to never be defeated in WWI. He then defended his country from the imperialists in Britain, France, and Greece by winning the Turkish Wars of Independence, basically saving his country from being torn apart as a result of the First World War. Wellesley: Dont know much about him other than that he defended Waterloo from the French. He effectively delayed the French from winning until the Prussians led by Blucher were able to secure the victory. Blucher: Prussian guy who was able to win Waterloo for the Coalition. Again, dont know much about him tho. Bismarck: One of my favorite figures...in general. He made a homeland for the German people, upset the delicate balance of power in Europe, and won against two of the strongest powers in Europe at the time: Austria and France. He was also a very cunning diplomat and an opportunist, knowing when to take advantage of a situation. Manstein: One of Germany's greatest generals. What more do I need to say? He was able to secure victory at the Battle of France and proved very effective during Operation Barbarossa. Zhukov: Won Khalkhin Gol and most importantly Stalingrad. One of the most important generals during the Second World War. FDR: My favorite person from history. Led Americans through the Great Depression and lessened the impact of it on the normal American, and led the U.S through most of WWII. Plus, he has two of my all time favorite speeches: The first being his first term inaugural address, saying, among other things, that there is "Nothing to fear but fear itself" and his Day of Infamy speech. Your favourite was FDR? Mine is a tie between Machiavelli, Quintus Fabius, and Temujin. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 8, 2016 0:19:46 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack Franz Joseph: Lived through a lot as Emperor. While he was reactionary, I believe Vienna and Austria-Hungary was the most diverse place and the friendliest to the Jewish ( Jean-Luc Picard , correct me if I'm wrong) at his time. Franz Ferdinand: His death was a tragedy, and he's an ethical person. Attatürk: Unified Turkey, but the Armenian genocide though... and the veil ban. Wellesley: Good tactician and strategist, set up a formidable defense at Waterloo. Not so reliable on supporting though. Blücher: Only person to beat Nap twice, was loved by his men, aggresive, and really won Waterloo. I don't blame generals for drinking except on the battlefield (BUXHOEVEDEN) Bismarck: Genius diplomat, unified Germany. He was never a colonial person too. Firing was tragic and ultimately Germany's alliance with Russia was scrapped. Erich von Manstein : Military genius who planned Fall Gelb. His retreat is amazing too. Committed some warcrimes though. Zhukov: He could see the big picture of the front and could stand up to Stalin. FDR: This is a hard choice. On one hand, he helped eradicate the Great Depression and led America in WWII, but he interned the Japanese and didn't accept Jewish refugees (again, Jean-Luc Picard could clarify this) I can answer the FDR part. He did intern the Japanese and didn't accept most Jewish refugees (Did accept a FEW, emphasis on the few). Im not saying he's perfect, but he was definitely a great man despite his flaws. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 8, 2016 0:22:57 GMT
Franz Joseph: Lived really long, got to see his country descend further and further into collapse. Like Quintus Fabius , his whole family got killed or died all around him. He was not prepared for the modern era, however, and was authoritarian and very old school. Ferdinand: Racist and a bigot, but he wanted to give rights to the cultures of the empire which shows he could have been a competent leader. Mustafa Kemal: One of my favorite figures of the 20th century. He won the day at Gallipoli and was the only Ottoman commander to never be defeated in WWI. He then defended his country from the imperialists in Britain, France, and Greece by winning the Turkish Wars of Independence, basically saving his country from being torn apart as a result of the First World War. Wellesley: Dont know much about him other than that he defended Waterloo from the French. He effectively delayed the French from winning until the Prussians led by Blucher were able to secure the victory. Blucher: Prussian guy who was able to win Waterloo for the Coalition. Again, dont know much about him tho. Bismarck: One of my favorite figures...in general. He made a homeland for the German people, upset the delicate balance of power in Europe, and won against two of the strongest powers in Europe at the time: Austria and France. He was also a very cunning diplomat and an opportunist, knowing when to take advantage of a situation. Manstein: One of Germany's greatest generals. What more do I need to say? He was able to secure victory at the Battle of France and proved very effective during Operation Barbarossa. Zhukov: Won Khalkhin Gol and most importantly Stalingrad. One of the most important generals during the Second World War. FDR: My favorite person from history. Led Americans through the Great Depression and lessened the impact of it on the normal American, and led the U.S through most of WWII. Plus, he has two of my all time favorite speeches: The first being his first term inaugural address, saying, among other things, that there is "Nothing to fear but fear itself" and his Day of Infamy speech. Your favourite was FDR? Mine is a tie between Machiavelli, Quintus Fabius , and Temujin. Oh you bet m8, heres a list of my favorites (Not in order) Favorite People List: -Napoleon Bonaparte -Mustafa Kemal -Cyrus the Great -FDR -Harry Truman -Woodrow Wilson -Otto von Bismarck -Giuseppe Garibaldi -Abraham Lincoln -William T. Sherman -Ulysses S. Grant -Dom Pedro II -Alexander Hamilton -Sun Yat-Sen -Mahatma Gandhi -Muhammed Ali (The Boxer, but the Albanian was also very good) -Genghis Khan -Nelson Mandela -Martin Luther King Jr. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2016 0:35:30 GMT
Your favourite was FDR? Mine is a tie between Machiavelli, Quintus Fabius , and Temujin. Oh you bet m8, heres a list of my favorites (Not in order) Favorite People List: -Napoleon Bonaparte -Mustafa Kemal -Cyrus the Great -FDR -Harry Truman -Woodrow Wilson -Otto von Bismarck -Giuseppe Garibaldi -Abraham Lincoln -William T. Sherman -Ulysses S. Grant -Dom Pedro II -Alexander Hamilton -Sun Yat-Sen -Mahatma Gandhi -Muhammed Ali (The Boxer, but the Albanian was also very good) -Genghis Khan -Nelson Mandela -Martin Luther King Jr. List huh? Well, the other ones, not in order: -John Monash -Matthias Corvinus -Vlad III Tepes -Robert E. Lee - Ivan Kolev-Robert Walpole -Hannibal Barca -Francis Drake -Clausewitz -Guan Zhong -Zhou Yu -George S. Patton - Belisarius -Elizabeth I |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 0:39:53 GMT
Charles de Gaulle Winston Churchill Stalin Lenin Gorbachev Mac Arthur Rommel Guderian Hoishiro ( Jean-Luc Picard correct me I was talking about the japanese leader in ww2 ) Yamamoto Lincoln George Washington I just want to see peoples perspectives about history and the men and women that made it and I like talking about historical figures with people who love history Charles the man who kept the french empire alive Churchil he lived long through both ww and to the cold war he survived the battle of britian and defeteates the nazi war machine he kept the only light of democracy in europe burning. Stalin he was made of steel nothing could break him but that lead to many deaths Lenin I respect him he made a giant coummunist nation MacArthur just awesome Rommel and Guderian both very good generals Rommel almost won in africa but he didnt have enough supplies reinforcments he was outnumbered and his enemies had more knowledge about desert fighting but he wasnt a nazi but sadly he was killed by hitler The japanese leader I dont know much about him but I hope to learn about from you guys Yamamoto I call him The King Of The Pacific Ocean Lincoln and Washington good men they made america a better country lincoln fought for the slaves and washington I also dont know a lot about him
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 8, 2016 0:51:39 GMT
Don't tag me as knowing everything. As a Jew I read a good amount about Jewish history, but not necessarily other groups' histories. And Tito, when you refer to some people by first name it's really weird |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2016 0:52:21 GMT
Charles de Gaulle Winston Churchill Stalin Lenin Gorbachev Mac Arthur Rommel Guderian Hoishiro ( Jean-Luc Picard correct me I was talking about the japanese leader in ww2 ) Yamamoto Lincoln George Washington I just want to see peoples perspectives about history and the men and women that made it and I like talking about historical figures with people who love history Charles the man who kept the french empire alive Churchil he lived long through both ww and to the cold war he survived the battle of britian and defeteates the nazi war machine he kept the only light of democracy in europe burning. Stalin he was made of steel nothing could break him but that lead to many deaths Lenin I respect him he made a giant coummunist nation Mikhail He unified germany made good relations with nato MacArthur just awesome Rommel and Guderian both very good generals Rommel almost won in africa but he didnt have enough supplies reinforcments he was outnumbered and his enemies had more knowledge about desert fighting but he wasnt a nazi but sadly he was killed by hitler The japanese leader I dont know much about him but I hope to learn about from you guys Yamamoto I call him The King Of The Pacific Ocean Lincoln and Washington good men they made america a better country lincoln fought for the slaves and washington I also dont know a lot about him de Gaulle was not bad, he was just the person who had brains in the French command. And I can think of a lot more that also had mor brians than the French Command. Churchill was an idiot for making the mess called Gallipoli. WW2 he redeemed himdelf though. He learnt his lesson. Stalin is morally ambiguous. Leadership in WW2 was not bad, but he was a fan of treating people with gualgs and firing squads. Washington was a great man, who made the USSR and lead it to a bright future... THen he died, & Stalin usurped Trotsky. Mikhail lost the USSR. Macarthur crossed the 38th believig that China would't invade, and when it did, wanted to nuke China in Korean war. ...yeah. Rommel deserved his nickname. Guderian invented Blitzkrieg. Yamamoto was possibly the most likable in the Japanese Military in WW2. He advocated against Pearl Harbour, yet he did his job well. Lincoln was trying to keep the union toghther. He would not free slaves if tht was what it took to keep the USA toghether. Washington lost most of his battles. You mean Hirohito, no? I believe he was a puppet, the controller was a certain Hideki Tojo, who deserved to die. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 0:57:12 GMT
Charles de Gaulle Winston Churchill Stalin Lenin Gorbachev Mac Arthur Rommel Guderian Hoishiro ( Jean-Luc Picard correct me I was talking about the japanese leader in ww2 ) Yamamoto Lincoln George Washington I just want to see peoples perspectives about history and the men and women that made it and I like talking about historical figures with people who love history Charles the man who kept the french empire alive Churchil he lived long through both ww and to the cold war he survived the battle of britian and defeteates the nazi war machine he kept the only light of democracy in europe burning. Stalin he was made of steel nothing could break him but that lead to many deaths Lenin I respect him he made a giant coummunist nation Mikhail He unified germany made good relations with nato MacArthur just awesome Rommel and Guderian both very good generals Rommel almost won in africa but he didnt have enough supplies reinforcments he was outnumbered and his enemies had more knowledge about desert fighting but he wasnt a nazi but sadly he was killed by hitler The japanese leader I dont know much about him but I hope to learn about from you guys Yamamoto I call him The King Of The Pacific Ocean Lincoln and Washington good men they made america a better country lincoln fought for the slaves and washington I also dont know a lot about him de Gaulle was not bad, he was just the person who had brains in the French command. And I can think of a lot more that also had mor brians than the French Command. Churchill was an idiot for making the mess called Gallipoli. WW2 he redeemed himdelf though. He learnt his lesson. Stalin is morally ambiguous. Leadership in WW2 was not bad, but he was a fan of treating people with gualgs and firing squads. Washington was a great man, who made the USSR and lead it to a bright future... THen he died, & Stalin usurped Trotsky. Mikhail lost the USSR. Macarthur crossed the 38th believig that China would't invade, and when it did, wanted to nuke China in Korean war. ...yeah. Rommel deserved his nickname. Guderian invented Blitzkrieg. Yamamoto was possibly the most likable in the Japanese Military in WW2. He advocated against Pearl Harbour, yet he did his job well. Lincoln was trying to keep the union toghther. He would not free slaves if tht was what it took to keep the USA toghether. Washington lost most of his battles. You mean Hirohito, no? I believe he was a puppet, the controller was a certain Hideki Tojo, who deserved to die. Yep it was Hirohito |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 0:59:54 GMT
Don't tag me as knowing everything. As a Jew I read a good amount about Jewish history, but not necessarily other groups' histories. And Tito, when you refer to some people by first name it's really weird People told me you knew about history sorry if I angred you and do you mean that I called stalin lenin gorbachev inatead of joseph stalin vladimir lenin and mikhail goebachev |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 1:01:33 GMT
Your favourite was FDR? Mine is a tie between Machiavelli, Quintus Fabius , and Temujin. Oh you bet m8, heres a list of my favorites (Not in order) Favorite People List: -Napoleon Bonaparte -Mustafa Kemal -Cyrus the Great -FDR -Harry Truman -Woodrow Wilson -Otto von Bismarck -Giuseppe Garibaldi -Abraham Lincoln -William T. Sherman -Ulysses S. Grant -Dom Pedro II -Alexander Hamilton -Sun Yat-Sen -Mahatma Gandhi -Muhammed Ali (The Boxer, but the Albanian was also very good) -Genghis Khan -Nelson Mandela -Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah you like napoleon too I am noy the only one |
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