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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Aug 7, 2016 23:05:32 GMT
Ahh... so a genocider had his own holiday whist another genocider was denounced by the exact same nation... the irony... What about Andrew Jackson Jean de Dieu Soult Jean Moreau Jean Lannes Horatio Nelson Mikhail Kutusov Alexander Suvorov and the WW1 cousins George V Wilhelm II Nicholas II Personaly Nelson the best he gave his life for his country and defeated an outnumbering enemy Andrew Jackson " visited " a lot of indians ok withou jokes he was kinda like stalin he had a terrible childhood but he was hard like stone and made america great again Lannes is my and Napoleon's favourite general he is just awesome I dont know much aboit Soult but his town was named soult or village and he was the 1st duke of dalmatia ( dalmatia is close to my country) Alexander was the favourite general of Catherine. Kutusov was the man who could save the Austrians Willy was my favourite but he lead to many deaths. Nicky wanted to show that he wasnt stupid and irensponsible Andrew Jackson: He expanded the power of the presidency and he did brave things (such as beating his failed assassin with his cane). However, he was near-genocidal, near-tyrannical, caused the first financial crisis in the USA just because politics. I don't know much though, so why do you think he made 'america great again' Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult: A good soldier, tactician, and strategist (Austerlitz, Retreat from Pyrennes). However, his subordinates often botched his best plans. Was also made PM of France and Marshal General. Moreau: He ended 2nd Coalition by beating Archduke John at Hohenlinden, though I believe that doesn't take much military skill. Later was exiled and worked for the Coalition (he died at Dresden in 1813). Jean Lannes : Was really brave and a tough fighter. Did well in tactics but we never have an example of his strategy. He also dealt with a lot of crises (Jena, Friedland, Aspern-Essling). Napoleon was never the same when he died. Nelson: Trafalgar was innovative and he was a charming and cunning leader. He was dim and had affairs though. He also lost at Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Boulogne. Kutuzov: Could have saved the HRE, could have won Austerlitz. In the end he was conservative about soldiering however. For me, Barclay is better. Alexander Suvorov : Destroyed the Ottomans often despite less men. Was in 63 battles, never lost one. Did well in Italy and retreat in Switzerland was amazing. He had a disdain for staff work and reconnaise however. Will and Nick: Both had the same ability and both lead to Russia and Germany's eventual downfall. Also sent a fleet to the Pacific that would be destroyed in Tsushima. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 7, 2016 23:06:34 GMT
What about Andrew Jackson Jean de Dieu Soult Jean Moreau Jean Lannes Horatio Nelson Mikhail Kutusov Alexander Suvorov and the WW1 cousins George V Wilhelm II Nicholas II Personaly Nelson the best he gave his life for his country and defeated an outnumbering enemy Andrew Jackson " visited " a lot of indians ok withou jokes he was kinda like stalin he had a terrible childhood but he was hard like stone and made america great again Lannes is my and Napoleon's favourite general he is just awesome I dont know much aboit Soult but his town was named soult or village and he was the 1st duke of dalmatia ( dalmatia is close to my country) Alexander was the favourite general of Catherine. Kutusov was the man who could save the Austrians Willy was my favourite but he lead to many deaths. Nicky wanted to show that he wasnt stupid and irensponsible Andrew Jackson: He expanded the power of the presidency and he did brave things (such as beating his failed assassin with his cane). However, he was near-genocidal, near-tyrannical, caused the first financial crisis in the USA just because politics. I don't know much though, so why do you think he made 'america great again' Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult: A good soldier, tactician, and strategist (Austerlitz, Retreat from Pyrennes). However, his subordinates often botched his best plans. Was also made PM of France and Marshal General. Moreau: He ended 2nd Coalition by beating Archduke John at Hohenlinden, though I believe that doesn't take much military skill. Later was exiled and worked for the Coalition (he died at Dresden in 1813). Jean Lannes : Was really brave and a tough fighter. Did well in tactics but we never have an example of his strategy. He also dealt with a lot of crises (Jena, Friedland, Aspern-Essling). Napoleon was never the same when he died. Nelson: Trafalgar was innovative and he was a charming and cunning leader. He was dim and had affairs though. He also lost at Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Boulogne. Kutuzov: Could have saved the HRE, could have won Austerlitz. In the end he was conservative about soldiering however. For me, Barclay is better. Alexander Suvorov : Destroyed the Ottomans often despite less men. Was in 63 battles, never lost one. Did well in Italy and retreat in Switzerland was amazing. He had a disdain for staff work and reconnaise however. Will and Nick: Both had the same ability and both lead to Russia and Germany's eventual downfall. Also sent a fleet to the Pacific that would be destroyed in Tsushima. Agreed. Also, Wilhelm fired Bismark... |
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Post by Tito on Aug 7, 2016 23:08:42 GMT
What about Andrew Jackson Jean de Dieu Soult Jean Moreau Jean Lannes Horatio Nelson Mikhail Kutusov Alexander Suvorov and the WW1 cousins George V Wilhelm II Nicholas II Personaly Nelson the best he gave his life for his country and defeated an outnumbering enemy Andrew Jackson " visited " a lot of indians ok withou jokes he was kinda like stalin he had a terrible childhood but he was hard like stone and made america great again Lannes is my and Napoleon's favourite general he is just awesome I dont know much aboit Soult but his town was named soult or village and he was the 1st duke of dalmatia ( dalmatia is close to my country) Alexander was the favourite general of Catherine. Kutusov was the man who could save the Austrians Willy was my favourite but he lead to many deaths. Nicky wanted to show that he wasnt stupid and irensponsible Andrew Jackson: He expanded the power of the presidency and he did brave things (such as beating his failed assassin with his cane). However, he was near-genocidal, near-tyrannical, caused the first financial crisis in the USA just because politics. I don't know much though, so why do you think he made 'america great again' Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult: A good soldier, tactician, and strategist (Austerlitz, Retreat from Pyrennes). However, his subordinates often botched his best plans. Was also made PM of France and Marshal General. Moreau: He ended 2nd Coalition by beating Archduke John at Hohenlinden, though I believe that doesn't take much military skill. Later was exiled and worked for the Coalition (he died at Dresden in 1813). Jean Lannes : Was really brave and a tough fighter. Did well in tactics but we never have an example of his strategy. He also dealt with a lot of crises (Jena, Friedland, Aspern-Essling). Napoleon was never the same when he died. Nelson: Trafalgar was innovative and he was a charming and cunning leader. He was dim and had affairs though. He also lost at Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Boulogne. Kutuzov: Could have saved the HRE, could have won Austerlitz. In the end he was conservative about soldiering however. For me, Barclay is better. Alexander Suvorov : Destroyed the Ottomans often despite less men. Was in 63 battles, never lost one. Did well in Italy and retreat in Switzerland was amazing. He had a disdain for staff work and reconnaise however. Will and Nick: Both had the same ability and both lead to Russia and Germany's eventual downfall. Also sent a fleet to the Pacific that would be destroyed in Tsushima. John Oliver said that about Andrew Jackson soooo its his fault |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 7, 2016 23:11:34 GMT
Andrew Jackson: He expanded the power of the presidency and he did brave things (such as beating his failed assassin with his cane). However, he was near-genocidal, near-tyrannical, caused the first financial crisis in the USA just because politics. I don't know much though, so why do you think he made 'america great again' Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult: A good soldier, tactician, and strategist (Austerlitz, Retreat from Pyrennes). However, his subordinates often botched his best plans. Was also made PM of France and Marshal General. Moreau: He ended 2nd Coalition by beating Archduke John at Hohenlinden, though I believe that doesn't take much military skill. Later was exiled and worked for the Coalition (he died at Dresden in 1813). Jean Lannes : Was really brave and a tough fighter. Did well in tactics but we never have an example of his strategy. He also dealt with a lot of crises (Jena, Friedland, Aspern-Essling). Napoleon was never the same when he died. Nelson: Trafalgar was innovative and he was a charming and cunning leader. He was dim and had affairs though. He also lost at Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Boulogne. Kutuzov: Could have saved the HRE, could have won Austerlitz. In the end he was conservative about soldiering however. For me, Barclay is better. Alexander Suvorov : Destroyed the Ottomans often despite less men. Was in 63 battles, never lost one. Did well in Italy and retreat in Switzerland was amazing. He had a disdain for staff work and reconnaise however. Will and Nick: Both had the same ability and both lead to Russia and Germany's eventual downfall. Also sent a fleet to the Pacific that would be destroyed in Tsushima. John Oliver said that about Andrew Jackson soooo its his fault He's a comedian, yes? |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 7, 2016 23:12:44 GMT
Quintus Fabius, let's not mention modern politicians at all, even fleetingly. Thanks
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Post by Tito on Aug 7, 2016 23:15:36 GMT
Quintus Fabius, let's not mention modern politicians at all, even fleetingly. Thanks I agree Politics are one of the worst things on this world |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 7, 2016 23:15:53 GMT
You should not have mentioned your preferred candidate Tito |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 7, 2016 23:16:51 GMT
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Post by Tito on Aug 7, 2016 23:28:38 GMT
Can somebody suggest what we think of historical figures or a historical or an alternate historical question
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 7, 2016 23:29:28 GMT
Andrew Jackson: He expanded the power of the presidency and he did brave things (such as beating his failed assassin with his cane). However, he was near-genocidal, near-tyrannical, caused the first financial crisis in the USA just because politics. I don't know much though, so why do you think he made 'america great again' Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult: A good soldier, tactician, and strategist (Austerlitz, Retreat from Pyrennes). However, his subordinates often botched his best plans. Was also made PM of France and Marshal General. Moreau: He ended 2nd Coalition by beating Archduke John at Hohenlinden, though I believe that doesn't take much military skill. Later was exiled and worked for the Coalition (he died at Dresden in 1813). Jean Lannes : Was really brave and a tough fighter. Did well in tactics but we never have an example of his strategy. He also dealt with a lot of crises (Jena, Friedland, Aspern-Essling). Napoleon was never the same when he died. Nelson: Trafalgar was innovative and he was a charming and cunning leader. He was dim and had affairs though. He also lost at Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Boulogne. Kutuzov: Could have saved the HRE, could have won Austerlitz. In the end he was conservative about soldiering however. For me, Barclay is better. Alexander Suvorov : Destroyed the Ottomans often despite less men. Was in 63 battles, never lost one. Did well in Italy and retreat in Switzerland was amazing. He had a disdain for staff work and reconnaise however. Will and Nick: Both had the same ability and both lead to Russia and Germany's eventual downfall. Also sent a fleet to the Pacific that would be destroyed in Tsushima. John Oliver said that about Andrew Jackson soooo its his fault As an AMERICAN, Andrew Jackson was one of the biggest douches in American history. He forcibly moved all Native Americans in Georgia, Florida and Alabama to reservations in Oklahoma because there were resources in those states. Keep in mind that many of the Native American tribes, especially the Cherokee, actually assimilated into American culture and life, many even owning slaves. The Cherokee even appealed to the Supreme Court that Jackson's forced relocation was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but Jackson famously said "The Supreme Court made its decision, now let them enforce it". That is incredibly tyrannical and terrible. He gave many political offices to his cronies, and forced the Second Bank of the United States to collapse, thus resulting in the Panic of 1838. He was also mentally INSANE, literally. Now I do support him on a few things, which I shall list: 1. Nullification Crisis. South Carolina threatened to nullify a tariff set by the federal government as it threatened South Carolinian commerce, and threatened to secede if it wasnt allowed to nullify it. Jackson held firm, however, and threatened to march into South Carolina with an army if they didn't comply. He even threatened to hang his Vice President, John C. Calhoun, a supporter of South Carolina in this case, if S. Carolina didn't comply. The state ultimately complied. 2. His expansion of U.S territory. Jackson secured the state of Florida from Spain. After multiple raids on American shipping had occurred by British pirates who were stationed in the Spanish Colony of Florida, Jackson invaded Florida in 1820 without permission from James Monroe, the U.S president. This ultimately led to talks between the U.S and Spain over the cession of Florida, and Florida was ultimately ceded to the U.S 3. Expansion of Presidential Power. Jackson used the veto power more than any president prior to him. 4. Gave voting rights to poor citizens (As long as they were white) All in all, very, VERY bad president and I hate his guts. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 7, 2016 23:33:12 GMT
John Oliver said that about Andrew Jackson soooo its his fault As an AMERICAN, Andrew Jackson was one of the biggest douches in American history. He forcibly moved all Native Americans in Georgia, Florida and Alabama to reservations in Oklahoma because there were resources in those states. Keep in mind that many of the Native American tribes, especially the Cherokee, actually assimilated into American culture and life, many even owning slaves. The Cherokee even appealed to the Supreme Court that Jackson's forced relocation was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but Jackson famously said "The Supreme Court made its decision, now let them enforce it". That is incredibly tyrannical and terrible. He gave many political offices to his cronies, and forced the Second Bank of the United States to collapse, thus resulting in the Panic of 1838. He was also mentally INSANE, literally. Now I do support him on a few things, which I shall list: 1. Nullification Crisis. South Carolina threatened to nullify a tariff set by the federal government as it threatened South Carolinian commerce, and threatened to secede if it wasnt allowed to nullify it. Jackson held firm, however, and threatened to march into South Carolina with an army if they didn't comply. He even threatened to hang his Vice President, John C. Calhoun, a supporter of South Carolina in this case, if S. Carolina didn't comply. The state ultimately complied. 2. His expansion of U.S territory. Jackson secured the state of Florida from Spain. After multiple raids on American shipping had occurred by British pirates who were stationed in the Spanish Colony of Florida, Jackson invaded Florida in 1820 without permission from James Monroe, the U.S president. This ultimately led to talks between the U.S and Spain over the cession of Florida, and Florida was ultimately ceded to the U.S 3. Expansion of Presidential Power. Jackson used the veto power more than any president prior to him. 4. Gave voting rights to poor citizens (As long as they were white) All in all, very, VERY bad president and I hate his guts. Its the same thing as columbus and göring they maybe have done some good things ( idj any that these guys did) but they are horrible people |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 7, 2016 23:39:26 GMT
John Oliver said that about Andrew Jackson soooo its his fault As an AMERICAN, Andrew Jackson was one of the biggest douches in American history. He forcibly moved all Native Americans in Georgia, Florida and Alabama to reservations in Oklahoma because there were resources in those states. Keep in mind that many of the Native American tribes, especially the Cherokee, actually assimilated into American culture and life, many even owning slaves. The Cherokee even appealed to the Supreme Court that Jackson's forced relocation was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but Jackson famously said "The Supreme Court made its decision, now let them enforce it". That is incredibly tyrannical and terrible. He gave many political offices to his cronies, and forced the Second Bank of the United States to collapse, thus resulting in the Panic of 1838. He was also mentally INSANE, literally. Now I do support him on a few things, which I shall list: 1. Nullification Crisis. South Carolina threatened to nullify a tariff set by the federal government as it threatened South Carolinian commerce, and threatened to secede if it wasnt allowed to nullify it. Jackson held firm, however, and threatened to march into South Carolina with an army if they didn't comply. He even threatened to hang his Vice President, John C. Calhoun, a supporter of South Carolina in this case, if S. Carolina didn't comply. The state ultimately complied. 2. His expansion of U.S territory. Jackson secured the state of Florida from Spain. After multiple raids on American shipping had occurred by British pirates who were stationed in the Spanish Colony of Florida, Jackson invaded Florida in 1820 without permission from James Monroe, the U.S president. This ultimately led to talks between the U.S and Spain over the cession of Florida, and Florida was ultimately ceded to the U.S 3. Expansion of Presidential Power. Jackson used the veto power more than any president prior to him. 4. Gave voting rights to poor citizens (As long as they were white) All in all, very, VERY bad president and I hate his guts. I believe you should add New Orleans. Sure, I hate him for that, but it still was a clean victory. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 7, 2016 23:46:30 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR
I hate Joseph just hate him
Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that.
Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country
Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo
Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired.
Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 7, 2016 23:55:36 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack I feel sorry for the old man, Franz Joseph. Basically his entire family dies of Tragedy. Ferdinand maybe was the best change A-H had of making peace in Bosnia. Mustafa Kemal is someone I respect for his actions in gallipoli. Blucher was a good gen. Bismark is my favourite diplomat. Second is Metternich. Wellesley was Britain's King Arthur in it's time of (second) greatest time of need. Notice his 1st name  Manstein and Zhukov were both great gens. (Also, Vatutin dug in his T-34s. ) FDR dug the US out of the Great depression and well into WWII. He was a great man. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 8, 2016 0:04:37 GMT
So should we go Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Atatürk Wellesley Blücher Otto von Bismarck Manstein Zhukov and FDR I hate Joseph just hate him Ferdinand wanted to keep peace with the serbs and wanted to make the empire last and I respect that. Atatürk he aint the wost but aint he best but he did sadly do the Armenian Genocide but he made Turkey a really beatiful country Blücher made bad things like Bismarck drink a lot but he was a good mind and without him napoleon would maybe won at waterloo Bismarck was my favourtie german and rommel too but he held europe at peace and warnes the kaiser about the balkans but sadly he got fired. Manstein and Zhukov good tacticians especially Manstein but idk if its Zhukov or Vatutin who said to dig in the tanks to make them like small fortresses because the tiger tank had a range advantage and the tanks needed to be digged out so that slowed the german attack I feel sorry for the old man, Franz Joseph. Basically his entire family dies of Tragedy. Ferdinand maybe was the best change A-H had of making peace in Bosnia. Mustafa Kemal is someone I respect for his actions in gallipoli. Blucher was a good gen. Bismark is my favourite diplomat. Second is Metternich. Wellesley was Britain's King Arthur in it's time of (second) greatest time of need. Notice his 1st name Manstein and Zhukov were both great gens. (Also, Vatutin dug in his T-34s. ) FDR dug the US out of the Great depression and well into WWII. He was a great man. And FDR helped the british A LOT he waant neutral he gave them ships for bases in uk and yeah I know that from Extra Credits |
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