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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 12, 2016 17:18:13 GMT
A good one: what if the Boxers succeed in expelling the foreigners out of China and the Empress somehow raised a cohesive army that was strong enough to repulse European armies (although with massive casualties that could be replaced easily anyhow)? I'm talking about multi-million soldier armies with rudimentary gunpowder weapons that could reasonably hold their own (maybe not that great, but with superior numbers in poor quality by comparison). Interesting question...It would be a massive blow to the Europeans, Japanese and Americans who would realize that the Chinese could now repulse them, and possibly a coalition of the Great Powers of the world would need to invade China in one massive war. This would result in further hatred of the outsiders in China, and cause for even more revolutionary zeal to sweep across the country, resulting in either a revolution led by Sen Yat-Sen like in our timeline, or a peaceful revolution done by the Qing government to fully westernize the nation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 17:21:30 GMT
A good one: what if the Boxers succeed in expelling the foreigners out of China and the Empress somehow raised a cohesive army that was strong enough to repulse European armies (although with massive casualties that could be replaced easily anyhow)? I'm talking about multi-million soldier armies with rudimentary gunpowder weapons that could reasonably hold their own (maybe not that great, but with superior numbers in poor quality by comparison). Interesting question...It would be a massive blow to the Europeans, Japanese and Americans who would realize that the Chinese could now repulse them, and possibly a coalition of the Great Powers of the world would need to invade China in one massive war. This would result in further hatred of the outsiders in China, and cause for even more revolutionary zeal to sweep across the country, resulting in either a revolution led by Sen Yat-Sen like in our timeline, or a peaceful revolution done by the Qing government to fully westernize the nation. You are forgetting one thing war of opium |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 12, 2016 17:24:30 GMT
Interesting question...It would be a massive blow to the Europeans, Japanese and Americans who would realize that the Chinese could now repulse them, and possibly a coalition of the Great Powers of the world would need to invade China in one massive war. This would result in further hatred of the outsiders in China, and cause for even more revolutionary zeal to sweep across the country, resulting in either a revolution led by Sen Yat-Sen like in our timeline, or a peaceful revolution done by the Qing government to fully westernize the nation. You are forgetting one thing war of opium Both Opium Wars occurred prior to the Boxer Rebellion... But Opium would be something that the Qing government would continue to try to block and may cause further tension between the West and China in this timeline. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 12, 2016 17:25:29 GMT
Brits wouldn't be able to stop France if they started to build fleet But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 12, 2016 17:27:33 GMT
Brits wouldn't be able to stop France if they started to build fleet But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 17:29:58 GMT
Brits wouldn't be able to stop France if they started to build fleet But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell they blocaded sea, they had a lot of wood in mainland, building ships weren't that big problem also if Portugal came in France or Spain takes it, Russia is far, and Napoleon has far bigger land army, only Scandinavia could change something by then... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 17:30:42 GMT
But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. Compleately true |
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Post by Tito on Aug 12, 2016 17:31:42 GMT
But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. I mean the Russians would help via land and the Russians are a giant threat to the Empire aswell and the brits too so if they dont invade it the Russians jave a ginaourmus army and Portugal was still in the coaliion forces And their navy helps wih the blockade |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 17:40:53 GMT
Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. I mean the Russians would help via land and the Russians are a giant threat to the Empire aswell and the brits too so if they dont invade it the Russians jave a ginaourmus army and Portugal was still in the coaliion forces And their navy helps wih the blockade Russian army at that time never was bigger than 400 000- 600 000, Napoleon had over 1 000 000 men when he went to russia and he left 300 000 - 500 000 men behind to guard france |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 12, 2016 18:04:21 GMT
UK would be less powerful and India would probably be a constitutional monarchy ruled by an absinthe-drinking Paris-educated King in Punjab. Id therefore assume that either Sikhism is made the official state religion or there is absolute freedom of religion (Assuming the latter as if the King would be educated he'd probably understand that the populous would quickly turn against him if he made Sikhism the state religion). Anyone who reads Vicky 2 AARs will know what I mean here  |
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Post by Tito on Aug 13, 2016 22:53:30 GMT
Now I am really curios but what if the Prussian Army came late at waterloo aka they came after british defeat
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Post by Washington on Aug 13, 2016 22:57:28 GMT
But the brits blockaded the navaly so they cant build ships and portugal could help and russia aswell Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. The only way I believe it was famous in napoleonic wars was with Ushakov, undefeated in the field |
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Post by Tito on Aug 13, 2016 23:34:07 GMT
Russia was not known for their navy, at least not during the Napoleonic Wars. Their land army was the main power behind Russia. Portugal was the complete opposite, however, I believe. The only way I believe it was famous in napoleonic wars was with Ushakov, undefeated in the field Uhmmmm what? I really dont understand what you just said |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 23:41:13 GMT
The only way I believe it was famous in napoleonic wars was with Ushakov, undefeated in the field Uhmmmm what? I really dont understand what you just said Ushakov was pretty much the only good Russian naval general. |
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Post by Tito on Aug 13, 2016 23:52:09 GMT
Uhmmmm what? I really dont understand what you just said Ushakov was pretty much the only good Russian naval general. Oooh I thought about something else I confused gomitsyn and him |
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