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Post by junius on Jan 10, 2017 16:26:47 GMT
Sure, but CRAZY biases are avoidable. Hmm, even education itself doesn't help with the bias problem. It's the mindset of being willing to dig deeper for the truth that allows people to disengage from the crazy bias trap and engage into a better understanding of the past. Hence, the importance of reading various books and compare the statements that don't quite mesh together and use the data to try to find out what did really happen... But do people use books nowdays?  I feel so old. Lol, and books are still pretty expensive. Try meeting all your book needs from archive.org Great site, but it doesn't have everything, you know |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jan 10, 2017 16:39:07 GMT
Hmm, even education itself doesn't help with the bias problem. It's the mindset of being willing to dig deeper for the truth that allows people to disengage from the crazy bias trap and engage into a better understanding of the past. Hence, the importance of reading various books and compare the statements that don't quite mesh together and use the data to try to find out what did really happen... But do people use books nowdays? I feel so old. Lol, and books are still pretty expensive. Try meeting all your book needs from archive.org Great site, but it doesn't have everything, you know I tend to buy used. Abebooks.com isn't that bad, or even Amazon.com. Besides even if a kid has access to a public library which he could borrow books FOR FREE, would he spend a lot of time in the books? Nah, iPad and Xbox and all that jazz... I don't blame them. I do read books, but I end up spending more time on the computer than in the books (At least I still *DO* read books). |
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Post by junius on Jan 10, 2017 17:43:34 GMT
Lol, and books are still pretty expensive. Try meeting all your book needs from archive.org Great site, but it doesn't have everything, you know I tend to buy used. Abebooks.com isn't that bad, or even Amazon.com. Besides even if a kid has access to a public library which he could borrow books FOR FREE, would he spend a lot of time in the books? Nah, iPad and Xbox and all that jazz... I don't blame them. I do read books, but I end up spending more time on the computer than in the books (At least I still *DO* read books). You're absolutely right. I probably spend a lot more time on the computer than I do reading, but at least I set some time aside every week at least (like 7 hours-ish). |
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Post by junius on Jan 10, 2017 17:44:38 GMT
Lol, and books are still pretty expensive. Try meeting all your book needs from archive.org Great site, but it doesn't have everything, you know I tend to buy used. Abebooks.com isn't that bad, or even Amazon.com. Besides even if a kid has access to a public library which he could borrow books FOR FREE, would he spend a lot of time in the books? Nah, iPad and Xbox and all that jazz... I don't blame them. I do read books, but I end up spending more time on the computer than in the books (At least I still *DO* read books). You're absolutely right. I probably spend a lot more time on the computer than I do reading, but at least I set some time aside every week at least (like 7 hours-ish), but I'm pretty sure some of my classmates never read out of choice. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jan 10, 2017 19:08:05 GMT
I agree that all history is biased, but I don't believe that because the losers don't write the books, that the winners are wrong. I don't believe in switching completely to the other sides story. I have read, by my estimates, over 600 books in my life, but I spend a lot more time on the computer, true. Trying to read Wheel of time series, by robert jordan, but Ive barely cracked the first one. Too much EW5 and 4 in my life. Anyway, Im taking a new history course. One of our topics soon will be how the "cotton gin entrenched slavery" I don't even live in America  Edited to add a fun fact: Cotton gin patent succeeded in 1807. Slavery was ended in the British Empire, including my country of Canada, in 1830. |
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Post by junius on Jan 10, 2017 19:28:59 GMT
I agree that all history is biased, but I don't believe that because the losers don't write the books, that the winners are wrong. I don't believe in switching completely to the other sides story. I have read, by my estimates, over 600 books in my life, but I spend a lot more time on the computer, true. Trying to read Wheel of time series, by robert jordan, but Ive barely cracked the first one. Too much EW5 and 4 in my life. Anyway, Im taking a new history course. One of our topics soon will be how the "cotton gin entrenched slavery" I don't even live in America Edited to add a fun fact: Cotton gin patent succeeded in 1807. Slavery was ended in the British Empire, including my country of Canada, in 1830. Man I have no clue how many books I've read. It's just so hard to keep track! Maybe less than 600 though for me. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jan 10, 2017 20:13:51 GMT
I agree that all history is biased, but I don't believe that because the losers don't write the books, that the winners are wrong. I don't believe in switching completely to the other sides story. I have read, by my estimates, over 600 books in my life, but I spend a lot more time on the computer, true. Trying to read Wheel of time series, by robert jordan, but Ive barely cracked the first one. Too much EW5 and 4 in my life. Anyway, Im taking a new history course. One of our topics soon will be how the "cotton gin entrenched slavery" I don't even live in America Edited to add a fun fact: Cotton gin patent succeeded in 1807. Slavery was ended in the British Empire, including my country of Canada, in 1830. Of course, it would be completely stupid to indoctrinate clueless kids all about the other side. "The white man is bad, very bad." No matter how popular or politically correct it is.  I'm curious... did your history class ever cover the origins of slavery in America? (It seems that schools don't teach the kids about the awkward fact that almost every slave brought from Africa came as trades by the other African tribes who sold their rivals, not whites   ) |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jan 11, 2017 1:03:10 GMT
Desophaeus , Im just starting this history course. The last courses I remember covered the 1900s only, but one of my relatives took world history since the 1500s, and another about before that. I don't know how many slaves were directly taken by whites or not, but I guarantee you they won't bother with any other slave trade Can't wait until that part of the course. Im tempted to tell them how Britian was debating slavery before the cotton gin was even invented. Heck, I could tell them how Legal slavery continued in Brazil till the 1870s, and that one Arab country (Mauritania) continued to either 1970s, or 2000s. Not sure which. In any case, Im expecting a segment that focusing on American slavery being powered by the cotton gin. Even though slavery existed elsewhere, and that we live in Canada, not America. The course is about important machines in world history BTW. I support the printing press at least.
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jan 11, 2017 1:05:02 GMT
To get back on to the topic, my mum didn't know Copenahgen was on an island until I showed her a map.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jan 11, 2017 1:13:11 GMT
To get back on to the topic, my mum didn't know Copenahgen was on an island until I showed her a map. I don't know where Copenahgen is, but Copenhagen is in Sweden. ...haha, just joking guys. Everybody knows its in Finland. Which is also in Sweden. |
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Post by junius on Jan 11, 2017 1:14:44 GMT
To get back on to the topic, my mum didn't know Copenahgen was on an island until I showed her a map. Hold my beer. |
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Post by junius on Jan 11, 2017 10:26:28 GMT
To get back on to the topic, my mum didn't know Copenahgen was on an island until I showed her a map. Hold my beer. My classmate was really surprised when I told him that New York City was a bunch of islands. He's from New Jersey. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jan 11, 2017 14:59:00 GMT
My classmate was really surprised when I told him that New York City was a bunch of islands. He's from New Jersey. Upstate or downstate? There's a difference in local familiarity. |
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Post by junius on Jan 11, 2017 15:02:39 GMT
My classmate was really surprised when I told him that New York City was a bunch of islands. He's from New Jersey. Upstate or downstate? There's a difference in local familiarity. Princeton- still a decent degree of association. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jan 11, 2017 16:17:57 GMT
My peers were divided into groups today. We had to choose european countries for our group names. I yell Sweden. Some girl says something about that, so I ask what she said. So She says to me, Sweden is in Scandinavia. I point out that Scandinavia is in northern Europe. She says "you got me there" We ended up choosing Scotland. Scotland Forever!!! |
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I feel so old.
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