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Post by matthew on Jan 21, 2017 10:23:30 GMT
Haven't tried it (none of my gens have it), but theoretically lv4 AF can give you no more than 90 extra hp, which lv4 supply gives you in 11 turns. It may be good for gens, who are going to die fast, just to let them live a bit longer, but for such tasks I haven't used ECs. Playing 1939 USSR I thought about it, for one gen seems like AF would be better, but overall I think supply is notably better. Of course supply gives more, but AF gives it earlier, and gives damage reduction. The point is that people like Patton can get 40 or 50 regen before he loses his combat power. I reckon AF is useful on a maxed out tank gen. He can attack a few times to gain back the health quickly. |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 21, 2017 12:05:56 GMT
Of course supply gives more, but AF gives it earlier, and gives damage reduction. The point is that people like Patton can get 40 or 50 regen before he loses his combat power. IF we speak about Patton, that's right, for him AF can be better. But I prefer Vatulin. For example, in 43 UK i have semt Vatulin with one EC to conquer Italy. They had about 100 hp each after this task, but because of tide of iron he still was able to make serious damage. Sure, that's assuming I farm vevry much and have built 3 ECs. In general, IMO AF can be better sometimes, but for EC it is very very rare. |
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Post by matthew on Jan 21, 2017 12:13:49 GMT
Of course supply gives more, but AF gives it earlier, and gives damage reduction. The point is that people like Patton can get 40 or 50 regen before he loses his combat power. IF we speak about Patton, that's right, for him AF can be better. But I prefer Vatulin. For example, in 43 UK i have semt Vatulin with one EC to conquer Italy. They had about 100 hp each after this task, but because of tide of iron he still was able to make serious damage. Sure, that's assuming I farm vevry much and have built 3 ECs. In general, IMO AF can be better sometimes, but for EC it is very very rare. Did you use AF in any of your EC generals to complete all campaigns/challenges? |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 21, 2017 13:02:38 GMT
Did you use AF in any of your EC generals to complete all campaigns/challenges? No, just because ECs must have tide of iron/artillery barrage and temporary low hp is not a big problem. |
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Post by matthew on Jan 22, 2017 4:35:40 GMT
Did you use AF in any of your EC generals to complete all campaigns/challenges? No, just because ECs must have tide of iron/artillery barrage and temporary low hp is not a big problem. so ace forces is not required therefore a pretty useless skill? Maybe infantry gens would need ace forces |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 22, 2017 5:28:40 GMT
so ace forces is not required therefore a pretty useless skill? Maybe infantry gens would need ace forces Infantry ECs? That's in any case even worse than tank/art ECs with AF. In very very few situations it is worth to put EC in infantry, but these situations are very rare. |
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Jan 24, 2017 3:37:02 GMT
Quick update, I have changes to techs mentioned before with special thanks to the "Tech upgrades data" thread.
Lvl 2 infantry -> Lvl 6 infantry
Lvl 2 armored -> Lvl 6 armored
Lvl 2 artillery -> Lvl 6 artillery
Lvl 2 navy -> Lvl 6 navy (not much use to me, but u never know :^))
Lvl 2 air -> Lvl 6 air
Now have Lvl 5 supply
Now have Lvl 2 nuke
Any changes recommended? Please let me know. I would like to have a effective tech combo + combat exp for bettering conquests and alien missions
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 4:14:16 GMT
Quick update, I have changes to techs mentioned before with special thanks to the "Tech upgrades data" thread. Lvl 2 infantry -> Lvl 6 infantry Lvl 2 armored -> Lvl 6 armored Lvl 2 artillery -> Lvl 6 artillery Lvl 2 navy -> Lvl 6 navy (not much use to me, but u never know :^)) Lvl 2 air -> Lvl 6 air Now have Lvl 5 supply Now have Lvl 2 nuke Any changes recommended? Please let me know. I would like to have a effective tech combo + combat exp for bettering conquests and alien missions I would definitely, definitely upgrade your missiles to lvl 5 or lvl 6. More range is always better. |
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Jan 24, 2017 10:41:41 GMT
Quick update, I have changes to techs mentioned before with special thanks to the "Tech upgrades data" thread. Lvl 2 infantry -> Lvl 6 infantry Lvl 2 armored -> Lvl 6 armored Lvl 2 artillery -> Lvl 6 artillery Lvl 2 navy -> Lvl 6 navy (not much use to me, but u never know :^)) Lvl 2 air -> Lvl 6 air Now have Lvl 5 supply Now have Lvl 2 nuke Any changes recommended? Please let me know. I would like to have a effective tech combo + combat exp for bettering conquests and alien missions I would definitely, definitely upgrade your missiles to lvl 5 or lvl 6. More range is always better. I was thinking about that but does added missle damage stack with nuke damage? |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 24, 2017 12:57:50 GMT
I was thinking about that but does added missle damage stack with nuke damage? No. Even it doesn't matters which kind of missile you lanuch: srb, mrb or lrb, if it is with nuke, the only difference is distance. Also if you drop nuke with strategic bomber the difference is only if city has better defence agains strategic bombing: no AA defence or AAG - the same damage, AAA - big difference as no defence against missiles, AAM - quite small difference. |
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Post by daemon on Jan 25, 2017 11:45:23 GMT
No, just because ECs must have tide of iron/artillery barrage and temporary low hp is not a big problem. so ace forces is not required therefore a pretty useless skill? Maybe infantry gens would need ace forces IMO , ace forces is a useful skill for a quick push . Supply is a better skill for long run . Supply is only useful in a conquest that you want to do it with a long run . |
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Jan 28, 2017 0:51:49 GMT
I have Manstein, Guderian, Govorov, Crerar, 3 unpgraded ECs, and 2700 medals
What to do next? (HQ level at 45 and waiting for Union 2)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 3:29:30 GMT
I have Manstein, Guderian, Govorov, Crerar, 3 unpgraded ECs, and 2700 medals What to do next? (HQ level at 45 and waiting for Union 2) Go for a second artillery, unless you're fitting Manstein as an artillery, in which case, go for a third tank. Second Artillery: Badoglio, Konev, or Bai C.X. + Vasilevsky Third Tank: Patton, Rommel, or Vatutin |
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Jan 28, 2017 4:10:18 GMT
I have Manstein, Guderian, Govorov, Crerar, 3 unpgraded ECs, and 2700 medals What to do next? (HQ level at 45 and waiting for Union 2) Go for a second artillery, unless you're fitting Manstein as an artillery, in which case, go for a third tank. Second Artillery: Badoglio, Konev, or Bai C.X. + Vasilevsky Third Tank: Patton, Rommel, or Vatutin Quick question, when they mean Bai + Vasilvesky, do they mean get both gens? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 6:14:19 GMT
Go for a second artillery, unless you're fitting Manstein as an artillery, in which case, go for a third tank. Second Artillery: Badoglio, Konev, or Bai C.X. + Vasilevsky Third Tank: Patton, Rommel, or Vatutin Quick question, when they mean Bai + Vasilvesky, do they mean get both gens? Yes. Bai could use a supporting general, so that's why. |
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