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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 4, 2017 16:16:27 GMT
990 medals, bested entire 1950 conquest, need suggestions. Also wis this good setup for EC's? 2 star arty 2 star movement Lvl 1 Supply Lvl 2 Plain Lvl 2 Explosive Lvl 2 Arty barrage Lvl 2 City fighting (?) <--- Not too sure for 5th skill. Maybe defense tactic?? Also I'm starting off with these levels first, since price increases greatly after that Should cost me an approximate 1,430 medals Maybe I should just get Badoglio idk. Please leave suggestions below Badoglio is good as first gen, And he also stays enough good for long time, but if you haven't bought it before, it's not worth to buy him now. City fighting is the best 5th skill, but against humans it is not needed, as in most cases you will have to keep your gen out of city to avoid bombarding. But for aliens it is very useful. From other skills, only movement - 2 stars is not worth, 1 is ok, 3 is better (for going 3 tiles in water), 2 is the same as 1, sure, the best is 4 stars, all others are useful. I'll keep that in mind! Also can getting another gen be more efficient than building EC? Like filling up my gen spaces with academy gems first (2950 medals total JUST for 5 star artillery skill vs 3100 medal Koneb) and then after that, start building the EC's?
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Feb 4, 2017 17:59:36 GMT
I'll keep that in mind! Also can getting another gen be more efficient than building EC? Like filling up my gen spaces with academy gems first (2950 medals total JUST for 5 star artillery skill vs 3100 medal Koneb) and then after that, start building the EC's? Keeping in mind that you can use only 6 gens at once, it's only a waste of medals, EC can perform very much better than academy gens, esoecially keeping in mind that you already have 3 best academy gens. Btw, 5th and event 4th star is not so worth to buy at the beginning (because of its price), for the same price you can buy other skills, which give better effect.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 4, 2017 18:27:00 GMT
Alright, general lineup now consists of:
-Guderian (Tank) -Patton (Tank) -Manstein (Artillery, sometimes tank) -Govorov (Artillery) -Crerar (Artillery) - EC #1 (Artillery)
I may replace crerar and Patton soon, Crerar for EC #2 (Artillery) and then Patton for either an artillery or tank EC. Is Patton worth to keeping?
Also, which things should I get for artillery EC #1 first? (In order), for ex. Get 2 star artillery ability -> Plain level 2, etc.)
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Feb 5, 2017 1:49:09 GMT
If you have Manstein, Patton is not worth to keep. Manstein is better for tank. Sure, if you have 6 good gens instead of Patton. Regarding upgrades for EC - depends on situation. Not so bad is to buy each time cheapest available upgrade.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 5, 2017 14:12:28 GMT
If you have Manstein, Patton is not worth to keep. Manstein is better for tank. Sure, if you have 6 good gens instead of Patton. Regarding upgrades for EC - depends on situation. Not so bad is to buy each time cheapest available upgrade. Hmm so should I sell Patton? And upgrade EC('s) from there?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:35:50 GMT
If you have Manstein, Patton is not worth to keep. Manstein is better for tank. Sure, if you have 6 good gens instead of Patton. Regarding upgrades for EC - depends on situation. Not so bad is to buy each time cheapest available upgrade. Hmm so should I sell Patton? And upgrade EC('s) from there? I would make a mediocre tank eye-cover and when he's got like 4 tank stars, sell Patton.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Feb 6, 2017 0:46:06 GMT
Hmm so should I sell Patton? And upgrade EC('s) from there? Patton is worth around 4k medals EC. Patton I think you can sell for around 2700. So when you have invested some 2K in your EC, you can sell Patton and spend his medals for upgrading EC. Sure. that's in case you have 6 gens to use without Patton.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Feb 6, 2017 2:10:01 GMT
Hmm so should I sell Patton? And upgrade EC('s) from there? Patton is worth around 4k medals EC. Patton I think you can sell for around 2700. So when you have invested some 2K in your EC, you can sell Patton and spend his medals for upgrading EC. Sure. that's in case you have 6 gens to use without Patton. I'd say Patton worths around 5k.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 6, 2017 2:33:49 GMT
Hmm so should I sell Patton? And upgrade EC('s) from there? Patton is worth around 4k medals EC. Patton I think you can sell for around 2700. So when you have invested some 2K in your EC, you can sell Patton and spend his medals for upgrading EC. Sure. that's in case you have 6 gens to use without Patton. 6 gens as in academy gens? Then after I got 6 gens (no EC yet) excluding Patton, I sell Patton to profit the EC's and then sell the 6th gen?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 2:52:25 GMT
Patton is worth around 4k medals EC. Patton I think you can sell for around 2700. So when you have invested some 2K in your EC, you can sell Patton and spend his medals for upgrading EC. Sure. that's in case you have 6 gens to use without Patton. 6 gens as in academy gens? Then after I got 6 gens (no EC yet) excluding Patton, I sell Patton to profit the EC's and then sell the 6th gen? Nope. Just 6 generals in general. I believe what Stierlitz is trying to say, is that you should have your EC built up enough so that whenever you sell Patton, it will equal Patton. That way, you will have 6 good generals.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 6, 2017 3:17:54 GMT
6 gens as in academy gens? Then after I got 6 gens (no EC yet) excluding Patton, I sell Patton to profit the EC's and then sell the 6th gen? Nope. Just 6 generals in general. I believe what Stierlitz is trying to say, is that you should have your EC built up enough so that whenever you sell Patton, it will equal Patton. That way, you will have 6 good generals. Ohhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks, i get it now.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Feb 6, 2017 18:43:24 GMT
I'd say Patton worths around 5k. Depends on preferences. If we just replace unneeded Patton's skills, than yes, it is about 5k medals, but IMO he lacks very much tide of iron and because of that even 4k medals EC with tide of iron is the same as he. I calculated like this: Price of Patton's clone (excluding infantry and artillery stars, which in fact can be effective only for missions): 5 tank - 2300 3 air - 210 2 navy - 50 3 movement - 340 4 artillery leader - 1120 4 ace forces - 720 3 blitzkrieg - 500 3 explosives - 560 4 street fighting - 1080 Total: 8750 If we replace artillery leader and 4+5 tank stars with plain fighting 3 (we sacrifice approx 14 damage and receive 15, sure, only in plains, but that's not a big problem), we save 2430 medals. If we replace street fighting 4 with tide of iron 3, we save 450 medals. If we will use him only in supertanks and don't go in water (before we get enough medals for further upgrades), we can leave only one movement star, saving 310 medals. If we make him colonel (sacrifice 60 hp), we save 900 medals. Not so good, but IMO for tide of iron it is worth to do it. Navy and air can also be sacrificed until later time, saving 260 medals. Sacrificing lv4 of ace forces (leaving lv3) is also not so big problem, saving 380 medals Such modified Patton costs 4020 medals. IMO he's better just because very often when gen loses some 3/4 of hp (in campaigns), there are still some weak cities around, which are not a problem to capture, but with low damage it takes quite a long time, but tide of iron solves this problem. In conquests it is also important as he can still kill infantry with 1 shot, this way protecting from paraspam.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Feb 6, 2017 23:09:09 GMT
I'd say Patton worths around 5k. Depends on preferences. If we just replace unneeded Patton's skills, than yes, it is about 5k medals, but IMO he lacks very much tide of iron and because of that even 4k medals EC with tide of iron is the same as he. I calculated like this: Price of Patton's clone (excluding infantry and artillery stars, which in fact can be effective only for missions): 5 tank - 2300 3 air - 210 2 navy - 50 3 movement - 340 4 artillery leader - 1120 4 ace forces - 720 3 blitzkrieg - 500 3 explosives - 560 4 street fighting - 1080 Total: 8750 If we replace artillery leader and 4+5 tank stars with plain fighting 3 (we sacrifice approx 14 damage and receive 15, sure, only in plains, but that's not a big problem), we save 2430 medals. If we replace street fighting 4 with tide of iron 3, we save 450 medals. If we will use him only in supertanks and don't go in water (before we get enough medals for further upgrades), we can leave only one movement star, saving 310 medals. If we make him colonel (sacrifice 60 hp), we save 900 medals. Not so good, but IMO for tide of iron it is worth to do it. Navy and air can also be sacrificed until later time, saving 260 medals. Sacrificing lv4 of ace forces (leaving lv3) is also not so big problem, saving 380 medals Such modified Patton costs 4020 medals. IMO he's better just because very often when gen loses some 3/4 of hp (in campaigns), there are still some weak cities around, which are not a problem to capture, but with low damage it takes quite a long time, but tide of iron solves this problem. In conquests it is also important as he can still kill infantry with 1 shot, this way protecting from paraspam. Hmm. I got it a slightly different one. M General(1420)+3*tank(300)+3*move(340)+2*explosives(240)+3*plain(690)+2*tide(290)+3*blitz(500)+3*ace(340)=4120, enough to replace Rommel. Patton would probably need more. This tank general should consider heavy tank more than super, because alien 7&8(hardest for me) only has 1 super tank, and that's no doubt Guderian's.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Feb 7, 2017 0:31:59 GMT
Sure, depends on situation, and also on the strategy you use. For example, in alien 7 golden I used Vatulin in heavy tank with Vasilevsky to capture Dihua with support of 1 nuke bomb in order to let Chuikov to die. Without ion only Vatulin's tide of iron let me do this as even being marshal he had less than half of hp by the start of 3rd turn, at which I had to capture Dihua. After capturing the city he was barely alive, so 1 movement star was not a problem. May be if I used Patton, I found some another strategy, but IMO tide of iron is must have and that lowers Patton's value.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Feb 7, 2017 16:26:15 GMT
I finished all human conquests 1939-1960
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