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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 10, 2017 23:28:08 GMT
Serbja stronk A rise of partisans storms the capital, and many buildings are looted. Their goal is to spread communism so Serbia. 10,000 infantrymen are suddenly levied and only 2,000 make it out alive. Serbia becomes a communist regime. A German by the name of Otto von Bayern III is brought in as the Premier. A new currency, the Schell, is created and is worth 1.78 USD. The treasury stands at 900,000 Schell. More to be added As GM, my job is not only to start turns and regulate rules, but also in part, to question sanity of one's turns. I believe that because no big country had developed communism, it makes little sense for a small one to undergo a communist revolution... Marxist theory had spread by that time, and the commune of Paris happened in 1871. It's not THAT far-fetched, historically
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Post by Frederick the Great on Mar 10, 2017 23:29:12 GMT
Imperial Germany opposes the USA sticking its nose into a conflict where it is not wanted. Germany warns the USA. what? You will attack Greece, Germany and the Ottoman Empire? Mate let us know after you cross the Indian Ocean or the Atlantic and the Western Mediterranean. Because this I will not take seriously. We are just warning you not to fight, because we need to do some important stuff and preventing random European and Asian nations fighting isn't what our trading ships to the Orient want. And if you stop fighting, we'll give you, Napoleon Bonaparte , a dreadnought, with no cheating unlike them Brits. How would you give Thema dreadnought when ships like that don't yet exist?
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:32:40 GMT
Britain doesn't like it when big guys pick on little guys....and when TWO big guys pick on ONE little guy Britain is not very happy.... Translation, BACK THE HELL OFF. Leave little Greece alone. Oh and Napoleon Bonaparte , I have friendly relations with Greece and he often took quite a while to respond to my messages so it's not like he deliberately did it to you. He wouldn't just ignore us on purpose. Thank you. I will be checking my mails now, make sure I respond to everyone. I just got off my medication! But thats no excuse for my laziness. I have some more words on this Ethiopia situation, sadly. Maybe I should have responded to that before you...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 23:34:52 GMT
As GM, my job is not only to start turns and regulate rules, but also in part, to question sanity of one's turns. I believe that because no big country had developed communism, it makes little sense for a small one to undergo a communist revolution... Marxist theory had spread by that time, and the commune of Paris happened in 1871. It's not THAT far-fetched, historically Very well... I just wouldn't expect it to effect such a small country first, especially if there weren't many issues... But if the public opinion yes, then by all means...
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:35:54 GMT
As GM, my job is not only to start turns and regulate rules, but also in part, to question sanity of one's turns. I believe that because no big country had developed communism, it makes little sense for a small one to undergo a communist revolution... Marxist theory had spread by that time, and the commune of Paris happened in 1871. It's not THAT far-fetched, historically Exactly. However, what is your opinion on Serbia undergoing a civil war? I think that might be more common in pre cold war Europe than a simple Coup.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Mar 10, 2017 23:35:58 GMT
We are just warning you not to fight, because we need to do some important stuff and preventing random European and Asian nations fighting isn't what our trading ships to the Orient want. And if you stop fighting, we'll give you, Napoleon Bonaparte , a dreadnought, with no cheating unlike them Brits. How would you give Thema dreadnought when ships like that don't yet exist? It seems I was mistaken on the date of the construction of the Dreadnoughts. Ehh, Maine-class BBs (the most recent US Battleship class) should suffice for Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:39:06 GMT
How would you give Thema dreadnought when ships like that don't yet exist? It seems I was mistaken on the date of the construction of the Dreadnoughts. Ehh, Maine-class BBs (the most recent US Battleship class) should suffice for Napoleon Bonaparte . IN WORLD WAR 1, I HAD MORE AND BETTER SHIPS THAN THE OTTOMANS! How dare you rewrite history in his favour! In the last war (1897) I had less battleships but his ships were dilapidated, badly maintained. I will have to purchase ships now. I wonder if UK has a better Battleship at this time. She is the usual seller to small and weak powers (Greece and Ottoman)
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 10, 2017 23:44:16 GMT
Laurent de Gouvion , I can see Russia making a serious effort to modernize (and it definitely had precedents in Peter and Catherine the Greats) but democratically elected governors? CUT FROM HERE I agree. Tsar Nicholas was an absolutist kind of a monarch (hell not even "kind" he actually WAS 100% an absolute monarch) I don't think he would've done anything like that until 1905 (when the revolution happened, but this guy was literally unaffected by it). I support a democratic Russia but this early....Eh? Well, my scenario explores the possibility if Nicholas II actually trusted his mentor and predecessor's chief advisor, Sergei Witte. Witte believed that a modernized Russia would in the end lead to Russia becoming a constitusional monarchy, and right now he's only setting that up (IRL, the person who created the reforms in 1905 was Witte). I don't think waiting for revolutions to happen would be possible, as I'm not even sure if the Russo-Japanese War would start and if Russia would even lose. That paragraph (the governors one) was written because I wanted to form Congress Poland, for personal reasons and RP reasons (Polish manpower). I could say that instead of being elected, the governors were chosen by Nicholas and Witte. Major educational reforms are only beginning (ironically, by making schools more like military academies). However, one of the military reforms that Russia made was to lessen time as a conscript if the conscript was educated, thus increasing the peasantry's demands for education. I would not say that the Russian peasantry was totally uneducated, though. Rural schooling and rural teachers did exist (mainly controlled by the Church). Attendance were less than half in some regions, but you have to consider that up to a quarter of London's children didn't attend school, and predictably less for the rural regions. Yes, only a quarter of Russians were literate, but more men were literate (in one district 61.5 % of males were literate and 15.0 % females were). Men, as the breadwinner at that time had more influence than women. Other than that, rural teachers had power, forming the All Russian Teachers' Union (which would play a role in 1917). It is not difficult for the rural teachers (another trait of uneducated peasants is to generally respect the educated teachers) to argue (both written and oral) in support of a democratic Russia and for literate men to influence their local communities to do such. I'm not disagreeing with the intent or even the MAJORITY of what Laurent de Gouvion came up with. It's just a little... extreme. If he wishes to rush through massive reforms, his country is bound to rise up against him. It's only logical. Again, I don't mind reforming and everything, just that... Pretty sure that if somebody tried it, it would have backfired badly on him. *cough* Alexander I *cough* He was killed for it by an explosion at the front of the building where he was planning to unveil his reforms to the Dumas, and he was moderate in his radical reforms in comparison to this. I wouldn't say that I'm rushing with my reforms. The role of the Duma is undefined yet, and the Tsar could disband the Duma with the wave of a finger. I tend to agree on your point on democratic governors, though I don't believe it would change much, as the only two classes with sufficient political capital to be elected were nobles and industrialists. In the district level, there were zemstvos, in which peasant delegates were democratically elected. Extending the mechanism of zemstvo to the governorate level would attract opposition, but not too radical as to attract revolution. The Russian Empire, as of now, is only starting the building blocks of the reforms. The Russian Empire had all the resources for becoming a modern European country, which was only limited by the autocratic system. The backwardness of Russia was more systemic and by changing the system the reforms would gradually be accepted.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Mar 10, 2017 23:44:46 GMT
It seems I was mistaken on the date of the construction of the Dreadnoughts. Ehh, Maine-class BBs (the most recent US Battleship class) should suffice for Napoleon Bonaparte . IN WORLD WAR 1, I HAD MORE AND BETTER SHIPS THAN THE OTTOMANS! How dare you rewrite history in his favour! In the last war (1897) I had less battleships but his ships were dilapidated, badly maintained. I will have to purchase ships now. I wonder if UK has a better Battleship at this time. She is the usual seller to small and weak powers (Greece and Ottoman) It was a gift to stop him from sparking WWI. We are quite happy to make profit off arms. May I interest you in the prototype of USS Virginia?
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:50:15 GMT
Greece, I don't want to get in your way and I expect the same. But if you declare war on Germany it'll be a civil war in your own country. As your Royal Family has ties to the German Royal Family. In which case your country will be divided between supporting Germany and against Germany. But you are getting in MY way... You specifically asked me to leave your Libya alone, which I have agreed to. I expect you to leave Ethiopia to me. It's only fair that I get something, even if it's a hill and a desert in middle of nowhere. You already have Libya in Africa, but I only have tiny Etritia and Somaliand (not even all of it because British owns the other half of it). Besides where can you invade the LANDLOCKED Ethiopia from anyway? Through my lands? Through French Etritia? I don't think so. It makes more sense for me as Italy to claim Ethiopia because it connects my two little colonies together while your Libya would have to go through Egypt to connect to Ethiopia. I don't think you would want to risk the wrath of Great Britain at this point, yet just for Ethiopia. Also a reminder... Greece has been traditionally a friend of GB, it's practically almost a protectorate under the British crown at that time because it wouldn't have been fully independent from the Ottomans otherwise. Frederick the Great might not rush to defend Greece or he might... I personally don't want to risk a war with an empire that owns about 20% of the globe. And the navy... the navy! It can be debated whether my statement of temporary neutrality is binding, or whether I can end it right now. However, I support you claiming Ethiopia over the Ottomans. One problem I can see however: have you considered that just 4, FOUR, years ago your invasion force was decisively defeated in the Italo-Ethiopian war? -25,000 Italians attacked Ethiopia, defended by 196,000 men, of whom only half used guns. -15,000 Italians died at the cost of only 17,000 Eithopians. This is all ignoring the hard fought Second Italo-Ethiopian war in the 1930s. 500,000 Italians fought 800,000 Ethiopians. 208,000 Italians were injured, while injuring 775,000 Imperials. In conclusion, you are going back to war pretty quick. Still, I can't say that Ottoman has much better chances, so why not.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 10, 2017 23:55:29 GMT
France will not allow anyone to colonize Ethiopia without our approval. Same goes for the Dervish state in Somalia.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:56:51 GMT
IN WORLD WAR 1, I HAD MORE AND BETTER SHIPS THAN THE OTTOMANS! How dare you rewrite history in his favour! In the last war (1897) I had less battleships but his ships were dilapidated, badly maintained. I will have to purchase ships now. I wonder if UK has a better Battleship at this time. She is the usual seller to small and weak powers (Greece and Ottoman) It was a gift to stop him from sparking WWI. We are quite happy to make profit off arms. May I interest you in the prototype of USS Virginia? Depends. Are they both Pre-Dreadnaught? If so, you can tell me in PM which is the Raw Deal. Thank you for the offer President. I should renege my previous comment but let him see my deliberations.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 10, 2017 23:59:02 GMT
France will not allow anyone to colonize Ethiopia without our approval. Same goes for the Dervish state in Somalia. GoodBye Italy. C'est la vie. At least nobody gets Ethiopia....other than maybe France. Its not like I completely support Italy taking it either. Long live the Empire of Ethiopia! Down with the Dervish!
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 10, 2017 23:59:46 GMT
I wasn't planning to go to war THIS year but if I have to do it right now in order to get Ethiopia before the Ottomans does, very well...
But it is certainly undue pressure brought on by the Ottomans' inconsiderate behavior. Italy deplores the attempt to flank Egypt from the two sides or the attempt to divide Italy's two colonies!
I'm also planning to look up on whoever had led the ill-fated war on the Ethiopians and fire him if he's still in office 4 years now.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 11, 2017 0:02:16 GMT
I wasn't planning to go to war THIS year but if I have to do it right now in order to get Ethiopia before the Ottomans does, very well... But it is certainly undue pressure brought on by the Ottomans' inconsiderate behavior. Italy deplores the attempt to flank Egypt from the two sides or the attempt to divide Italy's two colonies! I'm also planning to look up on whoever had led the ill-fated war on the Ethiopians and fire him if he's still in office 4 years now. You will certainly be sending more men next time eh. Honestly, If France does not hold designs on Ethiopia, this is perfect. You and France can both work together to block Ottomans without fighting a war, or colonizing the country-beating it up to avoid a different beating. What about British Somaliland?
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