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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 7, 2017 14:55:01 GMT
That's not what you said. You said they couldn't stop him, when really they could but chose not to They choose not to, because they feared to initiate ww2 while his military wasn't strong, germans were very mad about ww1 and nobody could predict what would Italy and Spain do if they attecked hitler, that's why they feared to do anything. That is true, although analysis by historians shows that GB, France, and Czechoslovakia could beat the Germans and Italians in 1938 |
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Post by Kal Wardin on Mar 7, 2017 15:02:17 GMT
They choose not to, because they feared to initiate ww2 while his military wasn't strong, germans were very mad about ww1 and nobody could predict what would Italy and Spain do if they attecked hitler, that's why they feared to do anything. That is true, although analysis by historians shows that GB, France, and Czechoslovakia could beat the Germans and Italians in 1938 And nobody knew what would happen in Spain the civil war was going on and democrats weren't in the best position and with hitlers and Mussolinis help it would end very fast, so the odds weren't the best for a direct attack at the time either as Franco was Mussolinis and Hitlers allied although he didn't participate in ww2 as he feared about internal affairs he formed legions, that were sent to help his allies |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 7, 2017 15:28:31 GMT
Imma just comment since this isn't dead yet...
1. French communists, like most (or all) are anti-establishment. I don't think they actually supported Nazis, but rather tried to resist the French government by default. They would refuse military service, not because they wanted the Nazis to win, but because they didn't consider the government worthy.
I'm not sure about sabotage, but it is very much in their character to celebrate the downfall of the French government. It is at that point that they get to see nazism up close, and it wasn't fun.
Its like saying Quakers (pacifists) are pro-nazi because they refused to serve in the U.S army. I wonder if they would ever change THEIR opinion...
The one guy made a good point, how only the french communists support Soviet Union. That is the only government they would actually respect.
2. Its kinda weird to debate the holocaust by mentioning Roman persecution of Christians. When including other targeted groups, at least 12 million people were genocided during holocaust. Those other groups, like Gypsies, should be remembered. However we can note that a full half, 6 million, WERE Jewish. They are clearly the main target.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 7, 2017 15:29:58 GMT
Imma just comment since this isn't dead yet... 1. French communists, like most (or all) are anti-establishment. I don't think they actually supported Nazis, but rather tried to resist the French government by default. They would refuse military service, not because they wanted the Nazis to win, but because they didn't consider the government worthy. I'm not sure about sabotage, but it is very much in their character to celebrate the downfall of the French government. It is at that point that they get to see nazism up close, and it wasn't fun. Its like saying Quakers (pacifists) are pro-nazi because they refused to serve in the U.S army. I wonder if they would ever change THEIR opinion... 2. Its kinda weird to debate the holocaust by mentioning Roman persecution of Christians. When including other targeted groups, at least 12 million people were genocided during holocaust. Those other groups, like Gypsies, should be remembered. However we can note that a full half, 6 million, WERE Jewish. They are clearly the main target. I have close relatives who know #2 well... |
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 7, 2017 16:44:12 GMT
Let us be honest here... this thread needs to be LOCKED.
This troll needs to be brought to justice. Here's why: look at the original post and what went on from there. He has done nothing but give convulsed reasonings to uphold his distorted view of historical events.
I'm venturing to say that in the principle of the Occam's razor, the more straightforward theory that the Nazis did really hated the communists, supplemented with factual documentation from both contemporary sources and the present historians' views, is plainly true.
The idea that the Nazis had bonded with the Communists of whichever country (it didn't matter because the Nazis hated them all) because they had common ground is a rather absurd theory because it would have to disprove so many things that has been well-documented and independently vertified and to somehow prove many things that aren't there in real life. It requires too much of stretching the truths and facts in order to be considered legitimate AT ALL.
Sprouting some ridiculous nonsense and expecting to be taken seriously, that kind of behavior in addition to an obvious display of narcissistic demand for attention and applause... my dear friends, here in this forum, this does fit the concept of trolling with bait. Granted, it's a bit different form of trolling especially since the troll is sincere in his beliefs, but notheless, a troll is a troll even if he's a different kind of a troll.
He won't repent of his arrogance even when he's proven wrong. When he tries to find fault with someone, he will nitpick, but when he is found to be wrong, he wriggle and dances in his attempts to get away with the nonsense that came out of his mouth.
I'm clamping down hard on this and I insist that we stop this. It has gone too far and it got old fast.
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Mar 7, 2017 16:56:14 GMT
I have to say something now, can't hold back any more.
I suggest everyone who has till date participated in this discussion leaves this thread. That includes EVERYONE. This thing will die and if anyone still wants to comment and quote others six hours after they said something. He's the problem.
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Post by Kal Wardin on Mar 7, 2017 18:13:32 GMT
Imma just comment since this isn't dead yet... 1. French communists, like most (or all) are anti-establishment. I don't think they actually supported Nazis, but rather tried to resist the French government by default. They would refuse military service, not because they wanted the Nazis to win, but because they didn't consider the government worthy. I'm not sure about sabotage, but it is very much in their character to celebrate the downfall of the French government. It is at that point that they get to see nazism up close, and it wasn't fun. Its like saying Quakers (pacifists) are pro-nazi because they refused to serve in the U.S army. I wonder if they would ever change THEIR opinion... The one guy made a good point, how only the french communists support Soviet Union. That is the only government they would actually respect. 2. Its kinda weird to debate the holocaust by mentioning Roman persecution of Christians. When including other targeted groups, at least 12 million people were genocided during holocaust. Those other groups, like Gypsies, should be remembered. However we can note that a full half, 6 million, WERE Jewish. They are clearly the main target. 1)about French communists I just don't want to explain it like 5th time. 2)holocaust is basically large scale organized genocide, I think they start to call it genocide when the number becomes over few 1000 and if it has been with intention.
Moderated: by Jean-Luc PicardRemoved reference to Propaganda film
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Post by Kal Wardin on Mar 7, 2017 18:16:55 GMT
Let us be honest here... this thread needs to be LOCKED. This troll needs to be brought to justice. Here's why: look at the original post and what went on from there. He has done nothing but give convulsed reasonings to uphold his distorted view of historical events. I'm venturing to say that in the principle of the Occam's razor, the more straightforward theory that the Nazis did really hated the communists, supplemented with factual documentation from both contemporary sources and the present historians' views, is plainly true. The idea that the Nazis had bonded with the Communists of whichever country (it didn't matter because the Nazis hated them all) because they had common ground is a rather absurd theory because it would have to disprove so many things that has been well-documented and independently vertified and to somehow prove many things that aren't there in real life. It requires too much of stretching the truths and facts in order to be considered legitimate AT ALL. Sprouting some ridiculous nonsense and expecting to be taken seriously, that kind of behavior in addition to an obvious display of narcissistic demand for attention and applause... my dear friends, here in this forum, this does fit the concept of trolling with bait. Granted, it's a bit different form of trolling especially since the troll is sincere in his beliefs, but notheless, a troll is a troll even if he's a different kind of a troll. He won't repent of his arrogance even when he's proven wrong. When he tries to find fault with someone, he will nitpick, but when he is found to be wrong, he wriggle and dances in his attempts to get away with the nonsense that came out of his mouth. I'm clamping down hard on this and I insist that we stop this. It has gone too far and it got old fast. I bring you evidence of what I state, you call it lies, maybe tell me that America won the ww2 alone or even better that there were aliens who helped America to win this war...
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Post by Kal Wardin on Mar 7, 2017 18:18:31 GMT
I have to say something now, can't hold back any more. I suggest everyone who has till date participated in this discussion leaves this thread. That includes EVERYONE. This thing will die and if anyone still wants to comment and quote others six hours after they said something. He's the problem. This is actually not a reasonable thinking, but ok if some people wants to continue in stone age I'm not against it. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Mar 7, 2017 18:24:53 GMT
I have to say something now, can't hold back any more. I suggest everyone who has till date participated in this discussion leaves this thread. That includes EVERYONE. This thing will die and if anyone still wants to comment and quote others six hours after they said something. He's the problem. This is actually not a reasonable thinking, but ok if some people wants to continue in stone age I'm not against it. I don't know about you but I feel like this thing needs a break......Or in reality we need a break from this thing. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 7, 2017 19:14:17 GMT
Moderator Intervention:
There will be no more linking of propaganda films in this thread and no personal attacks. If anyone violates this, the post will be removed and administrative action may be taken.
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