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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 18, 2017 4:55:00 GMT
Let's compare it to choosing red or black cards in casino. Even if only red cards appeared before, it is still 50/50 probability, isn't it? It does not matter what was before that moment. And what do you say about Heihachiro? Manstein is correct on the statistics, actually. It's just as the chance of not getting heads twice is 75% |
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Post by stoic on Mar 18, 2017 5:01:14 GMT
Let's compare it to choosing red or black cards in casino. Even if only red cards appeared before, it is still 50/50 probability, isn't it? It does not matter what was before that moment. And what do you say about Heihachiro? Manstein is correct on the statistics, actually. It's just as the chance of not getting heads twice is 75% I am definitely not a math genius, so let it be so... :-) :-) |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 18, 2017 5:08:39 GMT
Manstein is correct on the statistics, actually. It's just as the chance of not getting heads twice is 75% I am definitely not a math genius, so let it be so... :-) :-) Granted, I still think Cleopatra+Bismarck is only viable over Li+Bismarck because of costs, and am a proud user of Li Shimin myself, but his numbers check out. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 18, 2017 5:43:35 GMT
I am definitely not a math genius, so let it be so... :-) :-) Granted, I still think Cleopatra+Bismarck is only viable over Li+Bismarck because of costs, and am a proud user of Li Shimin myself, but his numbers check out. Basically Cleopatra wins by cost and Rumor(some people like it, it's nice to have). |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 5:54:58 GMT
Granted, I still think Cleopatra+Bismarck is only viable over Li+Bismarck because of costs, and am a proud user of Li Shimin myself, but his numbers check out. Basically Cleopatra wins by cost and Rumor(some people like it, it's nice to have). But...Li Shimin has Logistics as his second skill, just as she has rumor. That is an extremely liked skill. Plus fire dragon beats Mobility (IMO, at least for artillery) and he has explosive master while she has explosive expert. This is even ignoring that her inspiration won't get her equal stats this time, and that his no doubt large lead in health would be boosted by Marshal if anyone wasted their medals on it. You are correct about cost though. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 18, 2017 6:24:04 GMT
Basically Cleopatra wins by cost and Rumor(some people like it, it's nice to have). But...Li Shimin has Logistics as his second skill, just as she has rumor. That is an extremely liked skill. Plus fire dragon beats Mobility (IMO, at least for artillery) and he has explosive master while she has explosive expert. This is even ignoring that her inspiration won't get her equal stats this time, and that his no doubt large lead in health would be boosted by Marshal if anyone wasted their medals on it. You are correct about cost though. Li Simin's expl. Master is really something. Deffinitely I will upgrade it to some extent.  |
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Post by andrei on Mar 18, 2017 7:39:02 GMT
That's true. EW5 has high freedom, the pathways can be completely different. The main reason I bring up Cleopatra is not being rival against Bismarck, but Li Shimin, I just want people to know that Cleopatra exists as a fine alternative instead of spending 11k for Li Shimin. Ah, if speaking about Cleo vs Li Shimin I fully support Your vision. Though Fire Dragon looks nice (it could be very useful in campaign missions) for the end-game Empire mode missions it seems to be marginal. And imo the only important skill for the Arillery (while fighting against units not walls) is Rumor. But actually there is one more note: that depends on the play-style. I (with my archer focused team) was very often using my artillerists as a meat shield. And Li Shimin here could be better than Bismark or Cleo. As for me I anyway prefer Rumor instead of golden stats. Rumor was very important part of my tactics as I was trying to avoid any damage during my play. |
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Post by TK421 on Mar 18, 2017 17:25:00 GMT
That's true. EW5 has high freedom, the pathways can be completely different. The main reason I bring up Cleopatra is not being rival against Bismarck, but Li Shimin, I just want people to know that Cleopatra exists as a fine alternative instead of spending 11k for Li Shimin. Ah, if speaking about Cleo vs Li Shimin I fully support Your vision. Though Fire Dragon looks nice (it could be very useful in campaign missions) for the end-game Empire mode missions it seems to be marginal. And imo the only important skill for the Arillery (while fighting against units not walls) is Rumor. But actually there is one more note: that depends on the play-style. I (with my archer focused team) was very often using my artillerists as a meat shield. And Li Shimin here could be better than Bismark or Cleo. As for me I anyway prefer Rumor instead of golden stats. Rumor was very important part of my tactics as I was trying to avoid any damage during my play. Wouldn't Infantry be better meat shields? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 17:32:42 GMT
Ah, if speaking about Cleo vs Li Shimin I fully support Your vision. Though Fire Dragon looks nice (it could be very useful in campaign missions) for the end-game Empire mode missions it seems to be marginal. And imo the only important skill for the Arillery (while fighting against units not walls) is Rumor. But actually there is one more note: that depends on the play-style. I (with my archer focused team) was very often using my artillerists as a meat shield. And Li Shimin here could be better than Bismark or Cleo. As for me I anyway prefer Rumor instead of golden stats. Rumor was very important part of my tactics as I was trying to avoid any damage during my play. Wouldn't Infantry be better meat shields? Yeah... Only Alexander can kill forts though, and Artillery have no weaknesses (enemy abilities) Artillery have lots of health (like infantry). Its infuriating when the AI controls your artillery and they just run in to get bashed on... Anyway, outside Level 6 Alexander I understand using Artillery to deal with them. Since everyone else is Archers. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 18, 2017 17:40:33 GMT
Ah, if speaking about Cleo vs Li Shimin I fully support Your vision. Though Fire Dragon looks nice (it could be very useful in campaign missions) for the end-game Empire mode missions it seems to be marginal. And imo the only important skill for the Arillery (while fighting against units not walls) is Rumor. But actually there is one more note: that depends on the play-style. I (with my archer focused team) was very often using my artillerists as a meat shield. And Li Shimin here could be better than Bismark or Cleo. As for me I anyway prefer Rumor instead of golden stats. Rumor was very important part of my tactics as I was trying to avoid any damage during my play. Wouldn't Infantry be better meat shields? Infantry is better, but I have no room for the infantry in my team. And it is a must to have artillery. So sometimes, when Artillery is no more crucial for the mission objective I was using it to cover my archers. Actually I was using Alex for quite a long time. He served me very well but I replaced him with Barbarossa for the end-game. My team normally was (depended on the mission requirement to the quantity): 1 Cavalry, 1 Infantry, 1-2 Artillery, 3-4 Archers. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 19, 2017 3:26:37 GMT
Ah, if speaking about Cleo vs Li Shimin I fully support Your vision. Though Fire Dragon looks nice (it could be very useful in campaign missions) for the end-game Empire mode missions it seems to be marginal. And imo the only important skill for the Arillery (while fighting against units not walls) is Rumor. But actually there is one more note: that depends on the play-style. I (with my archer focused team) was very often using my artillerists as a meat shield. And Li Shimin here could be better than Bismark or Cleo. As for me I anyway prefer Rumor instead of golden stats. Rumor was very important part of my tactics as I was trying to avoid any damage during my play. Wouldn't Infantry be better meat shields? Plain meat shields are Joan of Arc and Petain, the purple and gold ones have spikes. Saladin, Blucher and Huo Qubing are great meat shield cav. |
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