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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 22:03:22 GMT
So I have both of these generals, Bismarck at 5* and Li Shimin at 4*. My other artillery General I Napoleon which I am using. Should I use Bismarck or Li. For my second art General? As I do not feel like saving 1500 medals to upgrade li. I want to start working on getting the keel set Attachments:
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 15, 2017 22:07:07 GMT
I think Li Shimin is much stronger at level 6.
This is because he gets Fire Dragon back, while, Bismarck...
I believe it is still true that Bismarck replaces his no retaliation skill with +50% damage to Cavalry. I will verify in around an hour, as I'm 30 literature away from Industrial.
As an Artillery (with lower attack than Shimin) he has low attack, so its not like he is going to deal amazing damage to Cavalry. Yet he loses his no retaliation, a much better ability.
Thus, I would go with Shimin. He gets a better ability at level 6, while Bismarck technically gets a worse ability.
And you already spent plenty of Medals on Shimin, to give him up now. Up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 22:15:54 GMT
Yes it is true bismarck gets 50% more cavalry damage, I could do li shimin but I gotta save medals then, after that I am going for keel shield and ring, where does one find the boots of keel? I have the sword
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 22:16:47 GMT
Doesn't napoleon keep his no retaliation because it merges with his first ability? He also gets plunder
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Post by best75 on Mar 15, 2017 22:53:13 GMT
Doesn't napoleon keep his no retaliation because it merges with his first ability? He also gets plunder That is correct. Napoleon still has no retaliation at lvl 6 |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 15, 2017 22:56:16 GMT
Yes it is true bismarck gets 50% more cavalry damage, I could do li shimin but I gotta save medals then, after that I am going for keel shield and ring, where does one find the boots of keel? I have the sword Boots of keel come from Osaka Japan. Is defense mission, so you will need the strength to finish that. I also have Li Shimin and Bismarck. Plan on replacing Bismarck with Alexander (+100% fort damage at level 6) I guess you could use Bismarck AND Napoleon. I guess... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:37:20 GMT
Then is Napoleon the best Artillery General in the game? He only gets more powerful
Also might upgrade li to 5* instead of using Bismarck as a super mortar without no retaliation is not very good and he does not have as high of attack
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:38:17 GMT
Well I can't even 3 star all of Almaty so Osaka is out of the picture.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 16, 2017 0:52:25 GMT
Then is Napoleon the best Artillery General in the game? He only gets more powerful Also might upgrade li to 5* instead of using Bismarck as a super mortar without no retaliation is not very good and he does not have as high of attack Probably be best to upgrade him to 6 then, to get his special ability. (Koxinga has it too, but Koxinga sucks) I'm not sure, its possible he is the best. However, I know some consider Li Shimin the best. Napoleon seems to have have better abilities when combined IMO, but Shimin has the strong fire dragon skill. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 17, 2017 20:15:37 GMT
Fire dragon lvl 6  |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 17, 2017 21:10:22 GMT
Bismarck: Rumor, 100% no retaliation, only costs 1k/atk&def even lower than Cleopatra, exists late.
Li Shimin: Overwhelming stat, AOE, Logistics/costs 10k, Bismarck and Cleopatra exist as cheap and solid picks.
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Post by andrei on Mar 17, 2017 21:23:35 GMT
Bismarck: Rumor, 100% no retaliation, only costs 1k/atk&def even lower than Cleopatra, exists late. 1) Deff lower than Cleopatra's? Are You sure? 2) Attack is also debatable. Only if comparing Cleo's attack at lv60 under Inspiration against Bismark's attack at lv50. But who said that Bismark must stay at lv50? No retaliation for the unit with range 3 and with Walls as a main target is not that important. So Bismark has better stats even taking into account Cleo's Inspiration always active. Moreover he has one more better skill (Explosive Master) and one more additional (General) which is not that important but anyway better than nothing in comparison to Cleo. |
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Post by pirke on Mar 17, 2017 21:44:35 GMT
Cleao with best Items may have better att but just that.
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Post by andrei on Mar 17, 2017 21:45:56 GMT
Cleao with best Items may have better att but just that. Well, sounds strange. That is valid for any comparison. Give crappy items to good general and nice items to crappy general and they are more or less comparable... |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 17, 2017 22:09:46 GMT
Bismarck: Rumor, 100% no retaliation, only costs 1k/atk&def even lower than Cleopatra, exists late. 1) Deff lower than Cleopatra's? Are You sure? 2) Attack is also debatable. Only if comparing Cleo's attack at lv60 under Inspiration against Bismark's attack at lv50. But who said that Bismark must stay at lv50? No retaliation for the unit with range 3 and with Walls as a main target is not that important. So Bismark has better stats even taking into account Cleo's Inspiration always active. Moreover he has one more better skill (Explosive Master) and one more additional (General) which is not that important but anyway better than nothing in comparison to Cleo. I mean same level for both. Cleopatra's inspiration makes her stat already between Koxinga and Bismarck, with good enough equipment(remember Inspiration effects equipment also), exceeding Bismarck with same equipment is not impossible. Bismarck 6 stars? With that crappy anti-cav bonus? Not a good deal for me. Just doing some math here. lvl 60 Bismarck: 442/96 lvl 60 Cleopatra: 373/68 Morale Bonus is 115% Inspired Cleopatra: 373/68*115%=428/78 Do you think it's hard to exceed Bismarck? |
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