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Post by TK421 on Mar 18, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
So, this stems from the Qubing/Hannibal argument. Both have their merit, but some might prefer one over the other.
For me, I prefer logistics because it gives a general durability. A dead general isn't, at all, useful, after all. The thing about braveness that urks me, is that, to my knowledge, it doesn't apply to defending. If you get hit, there's nothing you can do about it. Logistics, though, can activate when attacking or defending, and can regen health when a unit dies (with enough equipment and a very small amount of medal spending, you can one/two-hit most units with Qubing during the first two eras.).
I guess this also depends on what your goals are. For conquest, Braveness can only do so much. If your unit happens to get low health kind of early, boom,he's out for the count, basically. Logistics, though, can keep a general going for a decent bit. Heck, some people suggest you have to level it up a decent bit, but I think level 3 logistics is enough. Well, at least for a decent bit into the game, anyways. On the other side of this coin, however, we have Campaign. While logistics can be useful there, braveness would make short work of those over-advanced/over-equipped generals that are thrown at you. I won't bring invasions into this, because both kind of have their own merit with them.
Opinions?
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Post by Mountbatten on Mar 18, 2017 14:17:54 GMT
I have both Saladin and Attila. Saladin obviously has Logistics, while Attila has braveness. I believe one is slightly better than the other (skillwise).
For Saladin, it seems like he never dies. Even when he does get low health, I just attack city walls to get his Logistics to activate and heal him. Enemy attacks simply do nothing as my Saladin is powerful and kills the enemy anyway, which nullifies any damage that they just did. So Logistics is for sure a great skill for any unit. (Li Shimin)
For Attila, he has Braveness which allows him to attack without being attacked back. Fantastic cavalry skill as he can just hop from enemy to enemy getting kills. It also goes well with his Commander skill. Whenever he does eventually get low health (enemy generals), he has 30 hp regen per turn from items I gave him. So just clear out the basic enemies and sit around to regen his health. Simple.
Can Logistics be replaced by an item? Yes. Can Braveness be replaced by an item? No.
So while they are both great skills, I'll take Braveness.
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Post by WingedHussar on Mar 18, 2017 15:06:52 GMT
I would personally take braveness 90% of the time.
The reasons:
1.) Campaign (Logistics):
Most of the missions will have you using 6+ generals and problems might occur here:
If you have too many generals with logistics (Washington, Saladin, Richard) only 1 at a time is getting the effect so you are at a loss of 2 skill slots.
1.) Campaign (Braveness):
Skill loss never occurs and the effect can always take place (logistics wont generate shields if hp is at max) + Really good when strong generals show up
Conclussion: Braveness is superior
2.) Invasion (Logistics):
Regens always the same % (12) of total hp, therefore, making it better for campaigns, where we already acknowledged braveness is superior, so we already made a loop.
2.) Invasion (Braveness):
If you dont get retaliated by an enemy general, it is certanly a greater gain than the 12% regen
Considering attacks scales at higher proporions than health in late game, we already made 2 points in bravenesses favor and therfore, making it a more efficent late game investment
Conclussion: Braveness is superior
3.) Conquest (Logistics):
Great for early ages when general can solo conquer cities.
Downside: General fights
3.) Conquest (Braveness):
The skill can conquer a city with general by itself, making it good if you are bordering somebodys capital.
Downside:Durability
Conclussion: Logistics partially superior since the generals dont need to last the entire conquest (Tavern generals can be spammed by the time you have half of the map)
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Post by TK421 on Mar 18, 2017 15:40:49 GMT
I have both Saladin and Attila. Saladin obviously has Logistics, while Attila has braveness. I believe one is slightly better than the other (skillwise). For Saladin, it seems like he never dies. Even when he does get low health, I just attack city walls to get his Logistics to activate and heal him. Enemy attacks simply do nothing as my Saladin is powerful and kills the enemy anyway, which nullifies any damage that they just did. So Logistics is for sure a great skill for any unit. (Li Shimin) For Attila, he has Braveness which allows him to attack without being attacked back. Fantastic cavalry skill as he can just hop from enemy to enemy getting kills. It also goes well with his Commander skill. Whenever he does eventually get low health (enemy generals), he has 30 hp regen per turn from items I gave him. So just clear out the basic enemies and sit around to regen his health. Simple. Can Logistics be replaced by an item? Yes. Can Braveness be replaced by an item? No. So while they are both great skills, I'll take Braveness. Yes, but, at least early on, you can't buy most of said items. So, later game, braveness might be better. Early on, logistics seems like the best choice. |
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Post by Mountbatten on Mar 18, 2017 16:31:28 GMT
I have both Saladin and Attila. Saladin obviously has Logistics, while Attila has braveness. I believe one is slightly better than the other (skillwise). For Saladin, it seems like he never dies. Even when he does get low health, I just attack city walls to get his Logistics to activate and heal him. Enemy attacks simply do nothing as my Saladin is powerful and kills the enemy anyway, which nullifies any damage that they just did. So Logistics is for sure a great skill for any unit. (Li Shimin) For Attila, he has Braveness which allows him to attack without being attacked back. Fantastic cavalry skill as he can just hop from enemy to enemy getting kills. It also goes well with his Commander skill. Whenever he does eventually get low health (enemy generals), he has 30 hp regen per turn from items I gave him. So just clear out the basic enemies and sit around to regen his health. Simple. Can Logistics be replaced by an item? Yes. Can Braveness be replaced by an item? No. So while they are both great skills, I'll take Braveness. Yes, but, at least early on, you can't buy most of said items. So, later game, braveness might be better. Early on, logistics seems like the best choice. Yes but how many worthwhile generals can you get early on that have Logistics? |
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Post by TK421 on Mar 18, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
Yes, but, at least early on, you can't buy most of said items. So, later game, braveness might be better. Early on, logistics seems like the best choice. Yes but how many worthwhile generals can you get early on that have Logistics? True. |
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Post by forhonor on Mar 18, 2017 17:35:57 GMT
Richard and li shimin are the best long term logistics generals. Saladin seems to die way to easily.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Mar 18, 2017 17:38:53 GMT
Richard and li shimin are the best long term logistics generals. Saladin seems to die way to easily. Are you sending him to ram archer generals in the face? Did you upgrade his logistics? If the answer is yes for the first question or no for the second, then you're using him wrong. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 17:41:24 GMT
Richard and li shimin are the best long term logistics generals. Saladin seems to die way to easily. Are you sending him to ram archer generals in the face? Did you upgrade his logistics? If the answer is yes for the first question or no for the second, then you're using him wrong. Don't be so harsh. You have a point, though he IS a cavalry. They aren't exactly durable. Thats where the logistics comes in... |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 17:46:57 GMT
Its sad how much Logistics is losing by... I am very happy with Li Shimin's logistics, and its only level 5-6. However, I also like Braveness, my Atilla has level 10 braveness. No incoming damage, but it makes his attack look small  (don't worry, he still kills a lot) Anyway, there are many generals with logistics. Seems like more. I don't remember any grey generals with logistics. You know who has braveness though? LEONiDAS |
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Post by forhonor on Mar 18, 2017 17:48:39 GMT
You can't really ram archers with any cav genral, not even ghengas. In conquest he is beast, but imo in campaign I've noticed that even when grouped up with generals like ghengas, Attila, li shimin, Alex, and or nobuganda he still dies the first. Could just be me tho.
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Post by andrei on Mar 18, 2017 17:50:02 GMT
Braveness will serve You both in the start and in the end-game same way. Effect from the Logistics will be less in the end-game (as well as the Cavalry's mobility advantage) simply because the enemies are much-much stronger.
And... Braveness is cheaper!
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Post by forhonor on Mar 18, 2017 17:50:20 GMT
😂😂 what is Leonidis going to do with braveness, he would get killed with the next attack he received.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 17:50:50 GMT
It doesn't help that Saladin is blue general. I have never used him, but I bet his health stat is low in comparison to the other big names.
Will go check.
Braveness: prevents damage (only one way of course)
Logistics: heals all sustained damage
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Post by forhonor on Mar 18, 2017 17:51:28 GMT
For me Saladin is purple
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(don't worry, he still kills a lot) 
