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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:37:29 GMT
I think when Saladin is upgraded to elite troop he gets 50% less damage from archers...So you could then use him to crush archers too bad he does normal damage to infantry
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Post by andrei on Mar 19, 2017 15:10:23 GMT
Are there Archers with Braveness? I don't remember any. It would be almost useless for archers. So when speaking about Braveness vs Logistics there is no any reason to talk about ranged units  Well, "Volley" is some sort of "Braveness" when fighting against archers or when moves are impossible... Well, that's something You are not making choice either to invest or not. I think it's obvious that for archer Logistics/Plunder is much more preferable Maybe that is why easytech haven't proposed Archers with Braveness. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 19, 2017 15:35:54 GMT
Well, "Volley" is some sort of "Braveness" when fighting against archers or when moves are impossible... Well, that's something You are not making choice either to invest or not. I think it's obvious that for archer Logistics/Plunder is much more preferable Maybe that is why easytech haven't proposed Archers with Braveness. But Logistics/Plunder isn't overabundant for archers in EW5 either. Only Washington has it, and poor old Jhansi :-) And Plunder is also not a field for investment :-) So for Washington for certain Logistcs is better. And Jhansi has both - Pluder and Volley. But as we know it is not a sure thing, that it could make her a great team player. But for Li Hongzhang and for Cath "Volley" is of great use. It helps a lot against elite archers. |
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Post by Marshal Hugh Dowding on Mar 19, 2017 15:59:30 GMT
Well for me, I will take braveness for certain units, such as cav and inf, while logistics is better for ranged units In the later eras, there are alot of enemy generals that give u alot of debuffs, cav and inf always get retailiated, thus braveness is crucial for them to just survive through a campaign, whereas archers and artillery can achieve no retailiation by s/l Of course, in conquest, logistics works alot better since it makes the general alot more durable and makes them more resisitant to disgusting conquest events such as plague and hunger, which reduce health. S/l doesn't exist in EW5 it does, when attacking, if the enemy retailiates while u attk, immediately press pause and exit game, if u do it quick enough u shld be able to be back when ur attking when u load the game. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 19, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
Well, that's something You are not making choice either to invest or not. I think it's obvious that for archer Logistics/Plunder is much more preferable Maybe that is why easytech haven't proposed Archers with Braveness. But Logistics/Plunder isn't overabundant for archers in EW5 either. Only Washington has it, and poor old Jhansi :-) And Plunder is also not a field for investment :-) So for Washington for certain Logistcs is better. And Jhansi has both - Pluder and Volley. But as we know it is not a sure thing, that it could make her a great team player. But for Li Hongzhang and for Cath "Volley" is of great use. It helps a lot against elite archers. Yes, that's what I am talking about - there is no need to involve archers into the discussion Braveness vs Logistics. There are no candidates with such skills. Additionally regarding Plunder. That is the only thing that could make Jhansi at least somehow usable. In case there will be choice Voley/Plunder what would You choose for Your Archer? According to my experience Washington (with maxed Logistics) is almost untouchable even in the end-game |
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Post by stoic on Mar 19, 2017 17:20:40 GMT
But Logistics/Plunder isn't overabundant for archers in EW5 either. Only Washington has it, and poor old Jhansi :-) And Plunder is also not a field for investment :-) So for Washington for certain Logistcs is better. And Jhansi has both - Pluder and Volley. But as we know it is not a sure thing, that it could make her a great team player. But for Li Hongzhang and for Cath "Volley" is of great use. It helps a lot against elite archers. Yes, that's what I am talking about - there is no need to involve archers into the discussion Braveness vs Logistics. There are no candidates with such skills. Additionally regarding Plunder. That is the only thing that could make Jhansi at least somehow usable. In case there will be choice Voley/Plunder what would You choose for Your Archer? According to my experience Washington (with maxed Logistics) is almost untouchable even in the end-game I'm sure, he is. But who else? Let's suppose Li Hongzhang has Plunder instead of Volley. I do not think he will survive for long in archrer's duels. I think archers with team skills (Leadership, Spy...) preferably should deliver damage without much retaliation. That is Logistics in its own way :-) So I can return your question: What would YOU choose for your Washington, if he was not Washington but some average guy? ;-) |
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Post by andrei on Mar 19, 2017 17:41:49 GMT
Yes, that's what I am talking about - there is no need to involve archers into the discussion Braveness vs Logistics. There are no candidates with such skills. Additionally regarding Plunder. That is the only thing that could make Jhansi at least somehow usable. In case there will be choice Voley/Plunder what would You choose for Your Archer? According to my experience Washington (with maxed Logistics) is almost untouchable even in the end-game I'm sure, he is. But who else? Let's suppose Li Hongzhang has Plunder instead of Volley. I do not think he will survive for long in archrer's duels. I think archers with team skills (Leadership, Spy...) preferably should deliver damage without much retaliation. That is Logistics in its own way :-) So I can return your question: What would YOU choose for your Washington, if he was not Washington but some average guy? ;-) Ok, I see what You are talking about. But there are two point here. 1) Not all enemies can hit in return - as not all of them are archers! There are a lot of Cavalry and Infantry opponents 2) Strong and dangerous enemies will hit You not only in return but while their own turn and that could be very-very painful. So, for average guys it is sometimes enough to send them to a better world. That's why we are getting to the team tactics here. Of course it is always great not to receive hit in return, but it is not that important in case You planned Your attack properly. What I was doing against strong and dangerous enemies. I was trying to disable the main villian with Rumor (Napoleon or/and Bismark). If not successful - Nobunaga will debuff him. He is always the first - that's why I equiped him with Paladin set - to increase his stats (HP as the main focus). Then those average guys. And Washington will finish the enemy (if necessary for healing; alternatively Cavalry - to use the advantage of mobility). With this tactics I do not need "no retaliation" that much. I prefer healing as main portion of damage my team will receive during the turn of the enemy. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 19, 2017 18:10:49 GMT
I'm sure, he is. But who else? Let's suppose Li Hongzhang has Plunder instead of Volley. I do not think he will survive for long in archrer's duels. I think archers with team skills (Leadership, Spy...) preferably should deliver damage without much retaliation. That is Logistics in its own way :-) So I can return your question: What would YOU choose for your Washington, if he was not Washington but some average guy? ;-) Ok, I see what You are talking about. But there are two point here. 1) Not all enemies can hit in return - as not all of them are archers! There are a lot of Cavalry and Infantry opponents 2) Strong and dangerous enemies will hit You not only in return but while their own turn and that could be very-very painful. So, for average guys it is sometimes enough to send them to a better world. That's why we are getting to the team tactics here. Of course it is always great not to receive hit in return, but it is not that important in case You planned Your attack properly. What I was doing against strong and dangerous enemies. I was trying to disable the main villian with Rumor (Napoleon or/and Bismark). If not successful - Nobunaga will debuff him. He is always the first - that's why I equiped him with Paladin set - to increase his stats (HP as the main focus). Then those average guys. And Washington will finish the enemy (if necessary for healing; alternatively Cavalry - to use the advantage of mobility). With this tactics I do not need "no retaliation" that much. I prefer healing as main portion of damage my team will receive during the turn of the enemy. 1. Of course, there are many targets for archers. But if enemy's archers could be targets as well - it is a tactical bonus, isn't it? 2. What first and foremost makes enemy's archer dangerous? His attacking skill, I believe... If we could cancel out his strong attack (with Leadership for 2 turns) without retaliation, he will not be a great problem more. But you are right: Tactic desides all that. I have solid infantry screen before my archers, so they could concentrate on weakening opponents not killing them (preferably without retaliation). And infantry finishes the job... |
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