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Post by Caesar on Jun 27, 2017 5:44:12 GMT
I see that Caesar has attacked me without even declaring war. But I'll take it. Almohad finna rek Portugal next year The Portuguese and Almohad/Moor have been at war for many years before 1180. War would've been declared many years prior to this year. |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 27, 2017 5:45:29 GMT
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Post by Caesar on Jun 27, 2017 5:49:35 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna, is no one Leon? They are Portugal's ally right now. My king's son-in-law is their king. Can I have troops sent from them to fight for me?
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Jun 27, 2017 6:09:18 GMT
37 years! That's a lot of time! |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 27, 2017 6:20:44 GMT
37 years! That's a lot of time! Sarcasm much? Still I wouldn't have had to declare war. And Portugal as a nation had been fighting the Moors/Almohads since the Roman Empire let go of them. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 27, 2017 6:42:50 GMT
37 years! That's a lot of time! Sarcasm much? Still I wouldn't have had to declare war. And Portugal as a nation had been fighting the Moors/Almohads since the Roman Empire let go of them. I don't think it was sarcasm, that is a long time to be fighting especially by modern standards (slightly less so in those days but still a long time). Also consider that life expectancy in those days was much lower so 37 years would be most of a persons entire life. Oh and I suspect that Antonio Santa Anna will nullify your turns because there is a 5 year (or something) time period where players can't attack each other. |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jun 27, 2017 7:09:23 GMT
Sooo, I'm allowed to invade fellow hre nations now?
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 27, 2017 7:13:31 GMT
Sooo, I'm allowed to invade fellow hre nations now? I feel like there should be some sort of restriction on us Merchant Republics. It makes no sense for us to have big empires that stretch far inland. I think we should more or less be restricted to mostly costal regions. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 27, 2017 7:16:32 GMT
There will be a 5 year pause on Crusading. The current year is 1180. Do NOT forget about the 48 hour deadline for each turn. Now plox make turns. Do remember the 5 year pause on Crusading. I don't know if Antonio Santa Anna would classify the Portugese-Almohad War as Crusading though. As for Yi Sun Sin : You can buy a free city with GM-assigned dice. If that fails, a war is okay, but do note that the Emperor could raise the entire HRE against you. Edit: On the historical relations between Portugal and Almohad, they had a five-year truce that finished in 1178. A state of non-truce does not denote war, but if I have to guess raids would have happened IRL as opposed to an invasion. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 27, 2017 10:40:03 GMT
There will be a 5 year pause on Crusading. The current year is 1180. Do NOT forget about the 48 hour deadline for each turn. Now plox make turns. Do remember the 5 year pause on Crusading. I don't know if Antonio Santa Anna would classify the Portugese-Almohad War as Crusading though. As for Yi Sun Sin : You can buy a free city with GM-assigned dice. If that fails, a war is okay, but do note that the Emperor could raise the entire HRE against you. Edit: On the historical relations between Portugal and Almohad, they had a five-year truce that finished in 1178. A state of non-truce does not denote war, but if I have to guess raids would have happened IRL as opposed to an invasion. But Yi Sun Sin and I already wrote about our purchases (I added some stuff abotu Intrige and stuff rather than ourright buying). I think its reasonable that we be allowed to keep the stuff we have already done before the new rules? Genoa and I basicly got what I think is mostly even so so long as Yi Sun Sin and I have no oppositions with each other's acquisitions I don't see why we shoudln't be able to keep it. We are still so tiny and only a fraction of the sizes of everyone else (well Genoa has Sardinia and Corsica but they aren't the greatest bits of land). Saying acquiring land through war is all well and good (and I admit makes sense) but it even further disadvantages us small merchant republics. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 27, 2017 10:52:07 GMT
Do remember the 5 year pause on Crusading. I don't know if Antonio Santa Anna would classify the Portugese-Almohad War as Crusading though. As for Yi Sun Sin : You can buy a free city with GM-assigned dice. If that fails, a war is okay, but do note that the Emperor could raise the entire HRE against you. Edit: On the historical relations between Portugal and Almohad, they had a five-year truce that finished in 1178. A state of non-truce does not denote war, but if I have to guess raids would have happened IRL as opposed to an invasion. But Yi Sun Sin and I already wrote about our purchases (I added some stuff abotu Intrige and stuff rather than ourright buying). I think its reasonable that we be allowed to keep the stuff we have already done before the new rules? Genoa and I basicly got what I think is mostly even so so long as Yi Sun Sin and I have no oppositions with each other's acquisitions I don't see why we shoudln't be able to keep it. We are still so tiny and only a fraction of the sizes of everyone else (well Genoa has Sardinia and Corsica but they aren't the greatest bits of land). Saying acquiring land through war is all well and good (and I admit makes sense) but it even further disadvantages us small merchant republics. You're rich. If you fail to acquire lands through dice, hire mercenaries. Depends on Antonio Santa Anna though. What say you/him? If it stays, IMO you should increase the price. These buys are likely not without consequences to the Venetian treasury. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 27, 2017 10:57:03 GMT
But Yi Sun Sin and I already wrote about our purchases (I added some stuff abotu Intrige and stuff rather than ourright buying). I think its reasonable that we be allowed to keep the stuff we have already done before the new rules? Genoa and I basicly got what I think is mostly even so so long as Yi Sun Sin and I have no oppositions with each other's acquisitions I don't see why we shoudln't be able to keep it. We are still so tiny and only a fraction of the sizes of everyone else (well Genoa has Sardinia and Corsica but they aren't the greatest bits of land). Saying acquiring land through war is all well and good (and I admit makes sense) but it even further disadvantages us small merchant republics. You're rich. If you fail to acquire lands through dice, hire mercenaries. Depends on Antonio Santa Anna though. What say you/him? If it stays, IMO you should increase the price. These buys are likely not without consequences to the Venetian treasury. That's why we can only do it once every five years which IRL would be hmmmm about 10 days, probably longer due to extensions and stuff. And yes we are rich but in the scheme of things in an RP where all the players are aggressive and want to take all the land they can being rich isn't the greatest especially when most people ignore money to varying degrees (myself included somewhat). I like RPing, not leaving things to the dice. That's not RP or writing its just luck which I don't find rewarding. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 27, 2017 11:12:22 GMT
You're rich. If you fail to acquire lands through dice, hire mercenaries. Depends on Antonio Santa Anna though. What say you/him? If it stays, IMO you should increase the price. These buys are likely not without consequences to the Venetian treasury. That's why we can only do it once every five years which IRL would be hmmmm about 10 days, probably longer due to extensions and stuff. And yes we are rich but in the scheme of things in an RP where all the players are aggressive and want to take all the land they can being rich isn't the greatest especially when most people ignore money to varying degrees (myself included somewhat). I like RPing, not leaving things to the dice. That's not RP or writing its just luck which I don't find rewarding. I understand. These purchases tend to be sort of "magical" due to its lack of consequence. That's the basic problem IMO. Buying such would realistically decentralize power in Venice, create social unrest, is a hit to the treasury, etc. Still, it's good RP to write process. Anyway, on money and dice. Part of the purpose here in introducing the mechanic is to put up a fair and realistic way to introduce buying mechanics. You *could* detail your intrigues and how you convinced others to sell, but do note that you're not the only player. Some might just simply say "I iz buy clay yea" or something. Doing this puts a step further into better RP. Obviously, the ideal state is where intrigues are detailed and money considered. Formalizing yet another "magical" system helps. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 27, 2017 11:18:27 GMT
That's why we can only do it once every five years which IRL would be hmmmm about 10 days, probably longer due to extensions and stuff. And yes we are rich but in the scheme of things in an RP where all the players are aggressive and want to take all the land they can being rich isn't the greatest especially when most people ignore money to varying degrees (myself included somewhat). I like RPing, not leaving things to the dice. That's not RP or writing its just luck which I don't find rewarding. I understand. These purchases tend to be sort of "magical" due to its lack of consequence. That's the basic problem IMO. Buying such would realistically decentralize power in Venice, create social unrest, is a hit to the treasury, etc. Still, it's good RP to write process. Anyway, on money and dice. Part of the purpose here in introducing the mechanic is to put up a fair and realistic way to introduce buying mechanics. You *could* detail your intrigues and how you convinced others to sell, but do note that you're not the only player. Some might just simply say "I iz buy clay yea" or something. Doing this puts a step further into better RP. Obviously, the ideal state is where intrigues are detailed and money considered. Formalizing yet another "magical" system helps. Yeah thats not to bad. I would have been more detailed but I had a deadline so that limited the ammount of effort and quality I could put into my post. |
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jun 27, 2017 12:59:19 GMT
So it's agreed that we can take regions with our armies now? I'm going to take several small regions under the guise that I'm protecting them.
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