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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Apr 6, 2016 6:34:09 GMT
Well, back to what this thread was meant for! I think that in 1939, the Belgians should have the Congo (the part of it you can see) and the Dutch should have Indonesia so as to give both of these nations a chance for surviving without HARDCORE TACTICS Speaking of Africa, the positioning is all...off. I mean with the amount of Australia that you can see, you should be able to see all of Africa down to around Tanzania or Angola, and thus areas like Peru and Bolivia in S. America. And with the amount of Canada that you can see, there should be TONS of more northern land for Norway, Finland, Sweden and ze Ruskies. As a wise man ( Erich von Manstein) once said: "Easytech learned Geography from their PE teacher" |
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 6:35:50 GMT
So everytime someone posts its called rank-spamming? Thats just absurd.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Apr 6, 2016 6:39:22 GMT
So everytime someone posts its called rank-spamming? Thats just absurd. Every time someone makes Random off-topic posts, or makes one-worders where he should hit like, or look for a reason to start a fight (all things you've been doing), it's called rank-spamming. Unless you have another purpose in this. |
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 6:47:37 GMT
You keep saying the same thing, then I will keep saying, I dont spam, its a coward move to attack someone when you do the same thing, one time your motto was megaposting. "Random off-topic posts" you do understand that there are a random area, which I post that in?
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Post by Singlemalt on Apr 6, 2016 8:54:38 GMT
Please grow up and stop this stupid debate in here.. its a reason for me to stop with all tbh... Luckly we have great other posts especially the lectures.. On topic: I agree with the Belgium and Dutch standpoint made earlier... I must say this thread was the perfect place for "ASK: Vietnam no place in WC3. why?". I must say I miss his aviater (the little Kitty  )... In this thread I think he had a strong point that Vietnam played a major role in the cold war |
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 9:08:30 GMT
Yeah, and back to something I said earlier, China should not be on the same team as Sovjet Union in 1950. Just because they share the same ideology doesn't that they like eachother, in some cases yes, but I fear its more advanced than that. for example Mao Zedong (Leader in China during cold war) Would prefer trading with USA than Sovjet Union, and they actually became good trading partners. Americans or Chinese dont actually realize how reliant they are to eachother, and USA would suffer if there were no China, and the other way around. Currently China is owning the market.
When people thinks about the cold war they think of USA vs Russia and China, but in reality China hated Russia, and they thought they were a too powerful country. Fear leads to hate, China hated that Sovjet Union had a huge military, and favored USA for a demilitarized zone agreement between USA and USSR.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Apr 6, 2016 9:36:35 GMT
If China and the Soviets hated each other and China prefered the USA, why did the were the Soviets and Chinese on the same side in the Korean War against the US and its allies?
In regards to the Belgian and Dutch colonies, the first thing I thought when I first played WC3 was "Why do I have Indonesia" I was playing 1939 as Great Britain. I also don't see why Africa is so largely depicted in WC3 when hardly any of it has anything. Not even oil or the small towns.
For some of the issues with what side who was on, I think it is for gameplay reasons eg. Spain gives the Axis that extra bit of help as they are outnumbered and while not actully in WW2 was pro-German and actully agreed to join the war on Germanys side if Hitler could take Gibraltar. I also see the years of the conquests as starting years not a representation of one year as its obsurd that Australia can conquer all of Asia, Africa, Europe and most of the USA in a year. Well its obsurd that anyone can conquer that much but I hope you get my point.
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 9:46:00 GMT
The answer to your question is because they wanted to protect values, when you, a democratic land, gets to pick a side in a war, would you pick the evil one? No proberly not, China wanted to protect North Korea's values, because they have some similarities, both were communist, It was a ideology war, so they were only protecting North Korean values.
And I can agree on you that africa lacks towns, its africa, not the most industrialized continent in the world, but still they could had added some african countries like The republic of South Africa which gained their independence in 1931, and maybe make Ethiopia a little bit stronger..
On your last point you're also correct, its for strategical purposes, making the map look balanced, and the gameplay. If africa was equally strong as Europe or Asia, a power in africa could have been as strong as Germany in 1939. And yes im also on your side when you say that Australia is so overpowered, but they were, at least against the Japanese soliders in Brunei.
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Post by saltin on Apr 6, 2016 9:59:22 GMT
OOT: Guys in general if the thread creator or/and other posters request a thread stays on topic then posters should make an effort to do so as a matter of courtesy.Anyone wanting to can open a new thread and chat about something else.
This is the lounge board and there is a lot more leeway here compared to the game boards and the rules are much more relaxed but still everyone should make an effort and at least not blatantly disrupt threads original intent.
Please do not reply to this post,it's been off topic enough,if you have any questions or comments about this then mail me or start a new thread.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Apr 6, 2016 10:01:22 GMT
I disagree. While China and the USSR had their differences to me it makes sence that China would be on the USSR's side in an all out WW3 as depicted in WC3. Most nations have thier differences in ideas and beliefs but they won't go join the other "team" just because they have diferences. Also the Chinese fell out with the Chinese in the 60's and 70's not the 50's so it is even more plausible that China would side with the USSR.
But if they included South Africa they would have to include so much more or leave more blank which would lead to more nations left out.
I wouldn't say Australia is overpowered (I was actully refering to my first WC3 game which was as Australia in 1939 with no generals). It makes sense that Australia is often the last allied/NATO nation to fall becuase Australia is very difficult to invade for many reasons. The Japanese decided that it would be too dificult to invade Australia so they employed a strategy to keep us isolated from the US and UK and other allies. Also Australian troops weren't "overpowered" they were just very determined and skilled. In the Battle of Kokoda less than 600 untrained, porly equiped Australlia millitamen held off more than 1500 veteran Japanese soliders. Then on the other side of the world Rommel admired the Australians and New Zealanders greatly and its reported he said "If I had to take hell,I would use the Australians to take it and the New Zealanders to hold it". Even if he didnt actully say this he still was known to admire the Australians and Kiwis more than he admired the US or UK.
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 10:49:54 GMT
Then I will have to disagree with you again sorry, there are not by any chance, that China would have allied them selfs with Sovjet Union, and that is simply because, after the Japanese soliders left China, A civil war happened, you might have heard of it if not: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_WarThe obvious victor here was the Communist, the results of the war was that the nationalist chinese party left China and settled in the small island of Taiwan, back to topic China was finally free, free from Japan and nationalists, China used the next years to upgrade its army under Mao Zedong, and Mao started the Great Leap Forward, were all old chinese culture would be destroyed, China was born again, and this made new possibilities espacially for trade, America was quick to welcome the new nation, when they saw the trading (however the population was not so happy about it) So the moral here is that China would prefer trading over war because they had been in countless wars before, and they knew it would only lead to struggle, so they become more open to trade. Most nations join the prefered ideologic alliance while China would most likely try and stay defensive, but because of Mao god damn Zedong they went agressive and tried to protect communist VALUES, do you really think two of the greatest powers would work together, no, because they want to go their own path, its simple politics. The reason for saying Australia was over powerful is because, they had 80,000 soliders roughly in 1939 but grew higher in numbers when they saw that Japan and Thailand had HUGE armies threatning their existance, thats why their army drastically changed from 80,000 to 476,000 in 1942, Every army in ww2 was skilled at the time, and im proud to say that my small home country Norway could defend ourselves from the most powerful army in ww2, German army, for 62 days of fighting, Second after the Sovjet Union! |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Apr 6, 2016 11:09:32 GMT
Guys guys guys, I gotta intervene now, the topic has been derailed enough, it was the easytech's historical mistakes but now it has completely turned to politics
I'll ask everyone to please stop this political chat and carry on with the on topic material
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Post by Frederick the Great on Apr 6, 2016 11:43:51 GMT
Sorry @ Napoleon Bonaparte, I thought it was ok becuase we were discussing China's alignment in WC3. I will stop now |
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Post by Archduke Charles on Apr 6, 2016 13:14:46 GMT
Okey I just stop so I dont get banned |
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Post by Moreau on Apr 6, 2016 13:49:43 GMT
Guys guys guys, I gotta intervene now, the topic has been derailed enough, it was the easytech's historical mistakes but now it has completely turned to politics I'll ask everyone to please stop this political chat and carry on with the on topic material The thread is dead anyways so it doesnt matter |
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)... In this thread I think he had a strong point that Vietnam played a major role in the cold war
