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Post by stoic on Oct 18, 2017 6:20:30 GMT
Right now my plan is to get as many medals as possible for daily Invasions. I already have all necessary buildings (though not all are built yet), and now I'm trying to unlock Red Fort. I do not have an infantry general for Invasions, therefore I use a substitution. I have two possible candidates:
1. Konev
He has 4 Inf stras , Raider (lvl1), Patriotic medal (boosting Raider by 60%), and Plain fighting lvl 1. He is L Colonel
Potentially Plain fighting can be boosted, by I do not have this medal yet...
2. Graziani
He has 4 Inf stars, Ace forces (lvl1), Mountain figthing (lvl 1), Rumor lvl 3. He is L. Colonel.
Potentially Ace forces and Mountain fighting also can be boosted by medals, but I do not have them yet...
To whom should I give 5-th Inf star?
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 18, 2017 6:33:22 GMT
It’s close to a toss-up, but I would say Graziani because of Rumor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 6:34:59 GMT
Like you said, they are not Infantry generals.
Konev is definitly an Artillery general while Graziani is mostly an hybrid, but here also not specialized in the infantry.
You want a very good one ? Then you can get :
- Yamashita : maybe the best Infantry general of the game
- Rundstedt : the best price/performance ratio
- Mannerheim
The less expensive is Rundstedt as long as you can get it at -40% in Vienna. Fully upgraded with medals he can hit like a nuke, believe me. And above all, by getting him you save 935 medals that if you got Yamashita. Interesting, right ?
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Post by stoic on Oct 18, 2017 6:44:37 GMT
Like you said, they are not Infantry generals. Konev is definitly an Artillery general while Graziani is mostly an hybrid, but here also not specialized in the infantry. You want a very good one ? Then you can get : - Yamashita : maybe the best Infantry general of the game - Rundstedt : the best price/performance ratio - Mannerheim The less expensive is Rundstedt as long as you can get it at -40% in Vienna. Fully upgraded with medals he can hit like a nuke, believe me. And above all, by getting him you save 935 medals that if you got Yamashita. Interesting, right ? Rundstedt is definitely in my long term plans. But, you know, resources are scarce, and I have other priorities for now. My suspicion is that I have a long time to wait before I buy him... |
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Post by stoic on Oct 18, 2017 7:01:16 GMT
It’s close to a toss-up, but I would say Graziani because of Rumor. And I recall you said there are always mountains in Invasions |
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Post by andrei on Oct 18, 2017 7:37:19 GMT
Right now my plan is to get as many medals as possible for daily Invasions. I already have all necessary buildings (though not all are built yet), and now I'm trying to unlock Red Fort. I do not have an infantry general for Invasions, therefore I use a substitution. I have two possible candidates: 1. Konev He has 4 Inf stras , Raider (lvl1), Patriotic medal (boosting Raider by 60%), and Plain fighting lvl 1. He is L Colonel Potentially Plain fighting can be boosted, by I do not have this medal yet... 2. Graziani He has 4 Inf stars, Ace forces (lvl1), Mountain figthing (lvl 1), Rumor lvl 3. He is L. Colonel. Potentially Ace forces and Mountain fighting also can be boosted by medals, but I do not have them yet... To whom should I give 5-th Inf star? In case it is just for invasions - Graziani. Rumor is a win strategy for the invasions and quite invasions with Rumor not only easier but also cheaper  4 stars isn't enough I suppose? |
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Post by stoic on Oct 18, 2017 7:53:02 GMT
Right now my plan is to get as many medals as possible for daily Invasions. I already have all necessary buildings (though not all are built yet), and now I'm trying to unlock Red Fort. I do not have an infantry general for Invasions, therefore I use a substitution. I have two possible candidates: 1. Konev He has 4 Inf stras , Raider (lvl1), Patriotic medal (boosting Raider by 60%), and Plain fighting lvl 1. He is L Colonel Potentially Plain fighting can be boosted, by I do not have this medal yet... 2. Graziani He has 4 Inf stars, Ace forces (lvl1), Mountain figthing (lvl 1), Rumor lvl 3. He is L. Colonel. Potentially Ace forces and Mountain fighting also can be boosted by medals, but I do not have them yet... To whom should I give 5-th Inf star? In case it is just for invasions - Graziani. Rumor is a win strategy for the invasions and quite invasions with Rumor not only easier but also cheaper 4 stars isn't enough I suppose? 480 medals are no joke in the end... But some of those Invasions generals are beasts, so every attack point counts for something |
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Post by andrei on Oct 18, 2017 8:29:32 GMT
In case it is just for invasions - Graziani. Rumor is a win strategy for the invasions and quite invasions with Rumor not only easier but also cheaper 4 stars isn't enough I suppose? 480 medals are no joke in the end... But some of those Invasions generals are beasts, so every attack point counts for something I focused on conquests right now i.e. farming Maybe techs are the key not to lose battles or legion units in infantry invasions... |
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Post by stoic on Oct 18, 2017 8:37:46 GMT
480 medals are no joke in the end... But some of those Invasions generals are beasts, so every attack point counts for something I focused on conquests right now i.e. farming Maybe techs are the key not to lose battles or legion units in infantry invasions... said some losses are inevitable any way. So the main purpose is to defeat them. Btw, with your generals it is possible to do Autofarming  Just try first missions in Europe for Axis and Allies respectively on hard. It is great to know that AI is working while I'm typing |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 22, 2017 12:40:56 GMT
Well, I dbout the inf gens will be very useful in conquests. Though I have seen Yamashita's stuff on War Master's video, he died very quickly. Might be good for missions but otherwise... |
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Post by stoic on Oct 22, 2017 14:07:56 GMT
Well, I dbout the inf gens will be very useful in conquests. Though I have seen Yamashita's stuff on War Master's video, he died very quickly. Might be good for missions but otherwise... I think that there are at least 3 good reasons to have one: 1. We need an Inf General for daily Invasions. 2. We need an Inf General for some excersizes in Dominaton mode. 3. There are good medals boosting Inf skills. Many players like Yamashita, but I personally will buy von Rundstedt. Again 3 good reasons: 😆 1. His price (with 40% discount) is excellent for a gold M. General. 2. He can have 3 best skills for an Inf General. 3. With medals, I presume, he will be very powerful in campaigns and even in conquests. The main goal in conquests is to achieve a winning position after initial moves. If you can do this even sacrificing some of your generals - you will win easily. Infantry is available everywhere at the beginning, and an Inf General is capable to do many useful things right from the start. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 14:34:45 GMT
Ah yes indeed these generals are always the first to die on the battlefield, logically. Rundstedt or Kesselring (this one always based on a city with airport, a full defensive general) don’t have big chances to survive more than 15 or 20 rounds in the Cold War missions. Same in Conquest 1950.
Rundstedt has already one important skill for Infantry (Guerrilla) and then you can add him 2 other good skills, but then you must make a choice :
- Infantry Leader
- Raider
- Bayonet charge
Yamashita’s big advantage on Rundstedt is that he has already Raider and Bayonet charge, so you can add him Infantry Leader and Guerrilla, making him as the best Infantry General of the game. But he is damn expensive (2315 medals) and you still need to upgrade him... this is why I think that Rundstedt is the best choice.
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Post by stoic on Oct 22, 2017 14:55:03 GMT
Ah yes indeed these generals are always the first to die on the battlefield, logically. Rundstedt or Kesselring (this one always based on a city with airport, a full defensive general) don’t have big chances to survive more than 15 or 20 rounds in the Cold War missions. Same in Conquest 1950. Rundstedt has already one important skill for Infantry (Guerrilla) and then you can add him 2 other good skills, but then you must make a choice : - Infantry Leader - Raider - Bayonet charge Yamashita’s big advantage on Rundstedt is that he has already Raider and Bayonet charge, so you can add him Infantry Leader and Guerrilla, making him as the best Infantry General of the game. But he is damn expensive (2315 medals) and you still need to upgrade him... this is why I think that Rundstedt is the best choice. Bayonet charge is not a bad skill. But AI is more clever in WC4... Chances are not very high that this skill ever be usefull in defense. And you need more medals to promote Yamashita to M General rank. I don't think that Yamashita's advantages are so great that we have no other choice. If we think in terms price/quality (and I always think in these terms😊) the right decision seems to be pretty obvious to me... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 22, 2017 15:48:59 GMT
Ah yes indeed these generals are always the first to die on the battlefield, logically. Rundstedt or Kesselring (this one always based on a city with airport, a full defensive general) don’t have big chances to survive more than 15 or 20 rounds in the Cold War missions. Same in Conquest 1950. Rundstedt has already one important skill for Infantry (Guerrilla) and then you can add him 2 other good skills, but then you must make a choice : - Infantry Leader - Raider - Bayonet charge Yamashita’s big advantage on Rundstedt is that he has already Raider and Bayonet charge, so you can add him Infantry Leader and Guerrilla, making him as the best Infantry General of the game. But he is damn expensive (2315 medals) and you still need to upgrade him... this is why I think that Rundstedt is the best choice. Bayonet charge is not a bad skill. But AI is more clever in WC4... Chances are not very high that this skill ever be usefull in defense. And you need more medals to promote Yamashita to M General rank. I don't think that Yamashita's advantages are so great that we have no other choice. If we think in terms price/quality (and I always think in these terms😊) the right decision seems to be pretty obvious to me... To me, Rundstedt vs Yamashita is like suvorov vs lannes. Lannes has better output, while his base output can be a problem. Yamashita=Kamikaze to me. |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 22, 2017 16:15:03 GMT
Well, I dbout the inf gens will be very useful in conquests. Though I have seen Yamashita's stuff on War Master's video, he died very quickly. Might be good for missions but otherwise... Invasions are the place where having a top infantry general is the most helpful. I never lose units in infantry invasions because the damage output you get from the top guys is over the top compared to what even a quadruple stacked unit can manage. Yamashita one-shots two or thee stacked artillery when he gets an Infantry Leader attack. You put him in a choke point out front and let three or four enemies hit him before moving your other units up. The enemies will all be at like half health while Yamashita has plenty of HP left. I can often finish infantry invasions in three turns this way. That said, there are conquests where they can also be useful. Commandos change things a bit. The terrain and unit-specific bonuses they get are no joke. Yamashita in a Commando that gets the bazooka 65 percent bonus damange against tanks can stand up to stacked tank units. The terrain bonuses are also great. Desert Fighting commandos are available and relatively cheap compared to stacked rocket artillery or tanks for Egypt. Same for Finland. But the best are Australia, Hungary and Poland, which get 75 percent bonus damage in jungles and forests along with 70 percent bonus damage to stronghold units. An infantry general with Raider, Infantry Leader and Jungle Fighting in an Australian, Hungarian or Polish Commando unit can match a top tank general for output if you can position on forests properly. Attacking cities with them is insane. You can have hits that put out 500 or more damage. Because their movement is so good, you can also build a field hospital and let them recover for five or so rounds before catching up with the front lines. I’m considering giving up Guerilla with Yamashita and giving him Jungle Fighting instead. I expect he and Mannerheim in Polish Commando units will give the Germans a bad day in 1939 Poland Conquest. |
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Just try first missions in Europe for Axis and Allies respectively on hard. It is great to know that AI is working while I'm typing 
