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Post by kanue on Oct 31, 2017 16:51:17 GMT
Well, it is always the same when you start to dig deeper I am not sure which will come first, either me dying of exhaustion or us discovering the secret lol At least we already have the answer for the most important question, that is whether the leader is skill good. Yep, they are good.  |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 31, 2017 16:52:55 GMT
I am not sure which will come first, either me dying of exhaustion or us discovering the secret lol At least we already have the answer for the most important question, that is whether the leader is skill good. Yep, they are good. How good are they? We don't know yet  Though I gotta agree the leader looks good. |
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Post by best75 on Oct 31, 2017 17:21:29 GMT
The leader skills, truly they are the greatest mystery of WC4. We been investigating but I am not exactly sure we are any closer to figuring how this skill works
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Post by stoic on Oct 31, 2017 18:40:11 GMT
Operation Sunset Graziani increases lvl without any HP loss and without any morale increase 1. He starts with lvl 2 cruiser  2. Lvl 3  3. Lvl 4  4. Lvl 5  |
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Post by stoic on Nov 1, 2017 4:43:54 GMT
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Post by odm on Nov 1, 2017 16:24:07 GMT
You should try testing the skill on 0 defense units = units at sea and cities (with generals without explosive) and see what is he result... If the +% damage stays quite the same and lower than on the units you've previously tested, it could be assumed that PL also breaks some defense along the way and not adds attack.
A bit unrelated: I did some testing with lv2 laser in a conquest
Base damage 210
Defense 6:191
Defense 7:188
Defense 10:181
Always the same since laser, unlike units, do have constant damage (unit attack is like in other previous games, with the value displayed being the greatest possible... more about this on Erich von Manstein EW4 damage formula)
If you could some more testing with laser maybe we could fiind the function which defines damage based on attack and defense. I kinda fear it is not linear and this will make things not that easy.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 2, 2017 23:54:06 GMT
Did some more investigations with Nimitz: on battleship, submarine and super battleship. Results were different, but I think that's because wc has very big difference between min and max damage, so average damage of 50 shots may vary. I will have a look at it later, but by now seems like fleet leader gives 25% increased damage with up to 40% chance, which means that it increases total damage by 10%.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 5, 2017 12:54:40 GMT
Did some more investigations with Nimitz: on battleship, submarine and super battleship. Results were different, but I think that's because wc has very big difference between min and max damage, so average damage of 50 shots may vary. I will have a look at it later, but by now seems like fleet leader gives 25% increased damage with up to 40% chance, which means that it increases total damage by 10%. Nope, probably not. Leader skills are more complex then X% damage increase for Y% chance. It was proven bh soonerjbd, me, andrei, stoic and best75. |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 6, 2017 5:12:12 GMT
Did some more investigations with Nimitz: on battleship, submarine and super battleship. Results were different, but I think that's because wc has very big difference between min and max damage, so average damage of 50 shots may vary. I will have a look at it later, but by now seems like fleet leader gives 25% increased damage with up to 40% chance, which means that it increases total damage by 10%. Nope, probably not. Leader skills are more complex then X% damage increase for Y% chance. It was proven bh soonerjbd , me, andrei , stoic and best75 . Possibly. But Nimitz in various situations have it like this. I'll make some more investigations to find out, may be in other situation it works different even with Nimitz. May be some other skills or something else affect leader skill effect, but according to what I have found by now fleet leader works like this. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 6, 2017 6:27:33 GMT
Nope, probably not. Leader skills are more complex then X% damage increase for Y% chance. It was proven bh soonerjbd , me, andrei , stoic and best75 . Possibly. But Nimitz in various situations have it like this. I'll make some more investigations to find out, may be in other situation it works different even with Nimitz. May be some other skills or something else affect leader skill effect, but according to what I have found by now fleet leader works like this. Interesting. I don't have Nimitz so I can only rely on you |
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Post by stoic on Nov 6, 2017 7:00:13 GMT
All Leader skills are equal, but some of them are more equal than others  . Imo, heavy and super tanks results demonstrate that the skill is best suited for Armored Warefare. Taking into account the fact that your tank generals will attack more than once per turn, - it is a "must have" skill for each tank Commander in the team. I have Konev and (though he has only lvl 1 Leader skill) can say that it is very effective for Artillery as well. Maybe in one week I will hire Rundstedt and then do some experiments with Inf Leader. But imo soonerjbd 's tests proved decisively that Inf Leaders can deal damage like a nuke. Other Leader skills are not very impressive so far. But I can hardly imagine Navy generals in the team without this skill anyway. Almost all Aviation Commanders have this skill allready, so the main question is whether or not we can find a suitable place for them... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 6, 2017 14:22:28 GMT
stoic, yeah but how are you going to explain the first test(done by me)? This is getting weird.
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Post by stoic on Nov 6, 2017 14:33:31 GMT
stoic, yeah but how are you going to explain the first test(done by me)? This is getting weird. My best guess is that your Guderian was on a simple heavy tank, and my Vatutin on supertank and triple stacked heavy tank. And size does matter in our case I suggest you to use your Guderian on super tank in Destination Berlin (normal or hard), and we compare our results after that... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 6, 2017 14:56:28 GMT
stoic , yeah but how are you going to explain the first test(done by me)? This is getting weird. My best guess is that your Guderian was on a simple heavy tank, and my Vatutin on supertank and triple stacked heavy tank. And size does matter in our case I suggest you to use your Guderian on super tank in Destination Berlin (normal or hard), and we compare our results after that... I will. Tommorrow. I am to tired atm(its midnight). And a joke: If size matters, than Göring's air leader will trigger as 500% extra damage (sorry I had to) |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 6:19:31 GMT
stoic , yeah but how are you going to explain the first test(done by me)? This is getting weird. My best guess is that your Guderian was on a simple heavy tank, and my Vatutin on supertank and triple stacked heavy tank. And size does matter in our case I suggest you to use your Guderian on super tank in Destination Berlin (normal or hard), and we compare our results after that... Alright, I just did a quick experiment. No-Pz leader:128.714285714 Pz leader: 166.666666667 Increased to 29.457364341085274% percent, would say it's 30. Used super tank on Berlin easy BTW |
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. Imo, heavy and super tanks results demonstrate that the skill is best suited for Armored Warefare. Taking into account the fact that your tank generals will attack more than once per turn, - it is a "must have" skill for each tank Commander in the team. I have Konev and (though he has only lvl 1 Leader skill) can say that it is very effective for Artillery as well. Maybe in one week I will hire Rundstedt and then do some experiments with Inf Leader. But imo 
