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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 5:28:28 GMT
OK, like I promised, I have experimented panzer leader, by hitting the polish infantry with Guderian in 1939 German conquest. Pic:  These were the results.(pz indicates panzer leader triggering) Average for normal: 136.923076923(140) Average for panzerleader: 161.25(161) But that just wasn't enough data for panzer leader, so I experimented with Guderian on weak tank as well(with my Guderian) Average for normal: 74.8333333333(75) Average for panzerleader: 87.3333333333(87) So, for Guderian in heavy tank, panzer leader increased the attack by 15% Guderian in weak tank, increased 16%. So according to my (painful) experiment, it seems like panzer leader increases damage by 15-16 percent. Not good. WARNING: DON'T RUSH DECISIONS JUST YET, WE ARE STILL EXPERIMENTING EITH THE GAME. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 5:28:52 GMT
I am disappointed...
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 5:37:51 GMT
What about tech level and skills of Guderian? What abut medals? |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 5:44:55 GMT
What about tech level and skills of Guderian? What abut medals? Uh, all conditions were same. There are no ways to upgrade panzer leader to increase damage, only percentage. I attacked the same unit for 50 times or something, so no variables. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 5:46:07 GMT
Seems like panzer leader sucks in WC4 as well  |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 5:49:47 GMT
What about tech level and skills of Guderian? What abut medals? Uh, all conditions were same. There are no ways to upgrade panzer leader to increase damage, only percentage. I attacked the same unit for 50 times or something, so no variables. I mean what upgrades in Armor technology do you have already? What are the skills (and the lvl of these skills) of that particular Guderian you were testing? And what boosting medals (if any) does he have at his disposal? All 3 elements are important... |
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Post by best75 on Oct 25, 2017 5:52:01 GMT
Not as good results but I am not about to discard panzer leader as a good skill just yet
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 5:58:44 GMT
I mean if a basic output damage is for example 1 - any percentage increase will be laughable
if 10 - modest
if 100 - serious
and so on...
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 6:06:25 GMT
And btw where was this weak tank - in the city or outside it?
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 6:13:18 GMT
Panzer leader affects attack of the unit with bonuses from stars and assualt leader.
Totall attack is:
- attack of the unit (techs are important)
- bonus from generals stars
This figure is affected by armor assault skill. This skill is a percentage boost also. So increasing this skill is also very important.
In case You upgraded Explosives and attack city or fort it is also affected.
Btw, the effect is different depending what target You are attacking. Unit's attack against infantry can be 100% boosted in case have You researched appropriate techs.
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 6:27:25 GMT
Panzer leader affects attack of the unit with bonuses from stars and assualt leader. Totall attack is: - attack of the unit (techs are important) - bonus from generals stars This figure is affected by armor assault skill. This skill is a percentage boost also. So increasing this skill is also very important. In case You upgraded Explosives and attack city or fort it is also affected. Btw, the effect is different depending what target You are attacking. Unit's attack against infantry can be 100% boosted in case have You researched appropriate techs. And how do you think does Explosives have any effect on units within the city? |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 6:29:50 GMT
Panzer leader affects attack of the unit with bonuses from stars and assualt leader. Totall attack is: - attack of the unit (techs are important) - bonus from generals stars This figure is affected by armor assault skill. This skill is a percentage boost also. So increasing this skill is also very important. In case You upgraded Explosives and attack city or fort it is also affected. Btw, the effect is different depending what target You are attacking. Unit's attack against infantry can be 100% boosted in case have You researched appropriate techs. And how do you think does Explosives have any effect on units within the city? The general stayed the same, the terrain stayed the same, the units stayed the same. Nothing different to alter the consequences. Btw, if I remember correctly, my Guderian had the 1 that boosted armoured assult but the panzer leader skill increases attack by a particular percentage. And as it turns out, that percentage is 115. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 6:32:48 GMT
Note the experiments with Guderians was seperate, the 1 on lighttank and the 1 on heavytank. Tech doesnt matter as it applied to attacks on all circumstances.
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 6:41:06 GMT
Panzer leader affects attack of the unit with bonuses from stars and assualt leader. Totall attack is: - attack of the unit (techs are important) - bonus from generals stars This figure is affected by armor assault skill. This skill is a percentage boost also. So increasing this skill is also very important. In case You upgraded Explosives and attack city or fort it is also affected. Btw, the effect is different depending what target You are attacking. Unit's attack against infantry can be 100% boosted in case have You researched appropriate techs. And how do you think does Explosives have any effect on units within the city? I experimented with it in 1950 Soviets against Mannerheim in the city (announced war to Finland). Used Guderian with Explosives and Manstein without Explosives to compare with same medals. I was always placing Manstein in forest, so his Plain fighting won't spoil the experiment. It seems that when it is calculated what the damage is taken by unit and what by the fortification, the last one is boosted with Explosives. So no any additional effect on the unit. |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 6:45:51 GMT
Note the experiments with Guderians was seperate, the 1 on lighttank and the 1 on heavytank. Tech doesnt matter as it applied to attacks on all circumstances. I mean as soon as You are improving Your tech tree no any other skill can give Your bigger damage increase  Still one of the best for tank together with armor assualt. |
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