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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 4, 2017 14:41:57 GMT

Post by Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr on Dec 4, 2017 14:41:57 GMT

Great Qing 1909 - Placeholder

After the Night of Glorious Succession, the Guangxu Emperor sits on the Dragon Throne unopposed. On the beginning of the Year of the Rooster, the Guangxu Emperor affirms his role as Emperor unopposed by anyone but the people by vowing a version of the Song Oath adjusted for the Qing:

“The World belongs to our Great Qing, to our Ancestors, to the Government, to the People, and to the Military. It does not belong to you.”

The Guangxu Emperor, true to his character, replies in affirmation;

“I would not dare to disagree with you, the World indeed belongs to our Great Qing Empire, and the Nation indeed belongs to the Great Qing People. May the people retain my Mandate and may the Ancestors help me in my duties."

And the Guangxu Emperor sits on the Dragon Throne, more comfortable than ever - he is free from Cixi and the plots of Yuan Shikai. While the Guangxu Emperor still has rivals to his power, he is now a player on the political stage deserving of his position as the Emperor. He opens the gate of the Forbidden Palace to two hundred petitioners each day, giving the Emperor reliable information on the happenings in Beijing.

Prince Qing's Provisional Cabinet

1. Prime Minister: Yikuang, Prince Qing
2. Deputy Prime Minister: Zhao Bingjun
3. Minister of Foreign Affairs: Liang Dunyan
4. Minister of Interior: Charlie Soong
5. Minister of Finance: Zhang Jian
-President of Imperial Bank: Sheng Xuanhai
6. Minister of Education: Yan Xiu
7. Minister of Defense: Yinchang
-Chief of Army: Feng Guozhang
-Chief Admiral: Sa Zhenbing
8. Minister of Justice: Li Guojie
9. Minister of Commerce and Industry: Zaize
10. Minister of Agriculture: Prince Zaitao
11. Minister of Mail and Transport: Tang Shaoyi
12. Special Representative for Tibet: Tsarong Dazang

Prince Qing's cabinet experiences a reshuffle after the execution of Xu Shichang. Inside the cabinet, fear of purging is still widespread, especially with most of the ministers being acquaintances of the traitor Yuan Shikai. Despite this, the Guangxu Emperor has decides to give the cabinet power to issue emergency laws without the Emperor's approval, though it must be approved after a week and the Emperor has the power to veto them.

Politically, the provincial assemblies have been determined in elections, though with little turnout due to illiteracy. With next year being the year for the elections for the National Assembly, a few political parties have signed up for the election:
1. People First Movement (a populist party, emphasizing universal suffrage, reclamation of Chinese pride, and narrowing of the class gap) - led by Zhao Bingjun
2. Radical Progressive Party (a party of intellectuals and radical reforms) - led by Charlie Soong
3. Constitutionalist Party (advocates a constitutional monarchy favoring the gentry and nobility) - led by Tang Hualong
4. Unity Party (a nationalist, conservative party rallying behind the Emperor) - led by Prince Zaitao
5. Social Democratic Party - led by Chen Duxiu

In an effort to improve voter turnout, the Electoral Committee runs a campaign among rural voters, as well as a redesign of ballots.

In regards to developing branches of government akin to the West, the cabinet is rather unwilling to plunge into such ideas. The very thought of an untested legislature is detesting, to say the least. While the judiciary has evolved into being its own branch of government with a different set of Imperial examinations, the candidates for the National Assembly are subjected to the same examination as mid-level executive officials.

On the points for social reform, the New Culture Movement has propped up, led by academic Cai Yuanpei. Zhou Zuoren and Lu Xun, both members of this movement, have been appointed to the committee for simplification. They recommend the use of vernacular (spoken) Chinese in writing, given its familiarity everywhere. The vernacular form of Chinese is tested in rural provinces, by having the bureaucracy commit to it. Rolling for the success of the literacy program.

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The usage of vernacular Chinese in rural areas have proved successful, partially owing to the literacy and numeracy initiatives hosted by local businesses. The overall literacy rate rises to 50% and the gender gap in regard to literacy has shrunk, with 28% of the women now being literate. Numeracy remains high, at the 86% rate.

According to reports on the first year of localization in education, the Department of Education agrees to introduce some reforms:
1. The establishment of after-school clubs in vocational, physical, and intellectual fields, especially in cities,
2. The introduction of pinyin into the school curriculum, ensuring literacy in the Latin alphabet as well as Chinese characters,
3. A program of traveling teachers from universities abroad and Beijing to train local educators,
4. Establishment of the Academica Sinica

On the simplification of bureaucracy by adopting metric systems, the Chinese officials have tried to adapt to the system, not without some problems. Rolling for the severity of the issues in implementing the metric system.

The metric system surprisingly encounters little issue in use by the government. Still, the examinations for public service demand knowledge of metric units.

Protests have risen in regard to the policy of racial integration. A pamphlet distributed by the Tongmenhui states:

Remember Jianyin! Remember Yangzhou! The Manchu rulers are murderous barbarians, forever bloodthirsty of the true Chinese. Repel the Emperor's attempt at integration and repel the invaders from China!

A counter-propaganda campaign is enacted, reminding the people that the Manchu had cooperated with the Han in their takeover from the oppressive Ming. Rolling for the success of the counter-propaganda.

It is a success.

Last part of the turn; roll for progress of the suffrage movement.

Economic growth still occurs. A rise in the iron and electricity industries is observed, with them taking 20% of the Great Qing's industrial output. Tariffs are raised on traded goods for non-agreement nations to ensure self-sufficiency. Gud econ all around.

Financially, more introduction of paper money, yay.

Interesting stuff nao. Military.

Rolling for progress of the Jinyiwei's mission inside the Tongmenghui.

The Jinyiwei has infiltrated the top-level leadership in the Tongmenghui, knowing most of its plans and affiliates as well as the movements of leaders like Sun Yat-sen and Huang Xing. Not only infiltration, the Jinyiwei attempts to bring disunity in the Tongmenghui by driving ambitious mid-level leaders into action, dropping harmful rumors, and bribery. Roll for success.

Not too much opposition exists to Sun Yat-sen, only a small clique.

In regard to the Army, the Beiyang Army, the second most elite army in China has been merged with the cadre army, forming the Imperial Standing Army of 300,000 infantrymen, constructed into 30 Divisions. The cadre army, having been equipped well and well-versed in Western drill, trains the Beiyang Army.

The cadre army now employs targeting formulas for artillery as well as adopting wireless telegraph in each subdivision of the army. While training based on initiative can ensure effectiveness outside of radio range, the wireless telegraph is adopted in the military.

Development on China's arsenals as well as shipyards continue. Roll.

Arsenals

Naval Yards (developing Fuzhou and Jiangnan, building up Shanghai and Shenzhen)

The expansion of Chinese military industry, arsenals for infantry and shipyards for the navy has been successful. Fuzhou and Jiangnan can produce dreadnoughts now, while Shanghai and Shenzen can produce heavy cruisers. Sixteen Ning Hai heavy cruisers have been built. Now, a design of light cruisers, the Hongwu is made. Rolling for quality of the design.

Revisions need to be made. Rolling for progress.

The design improves. 10 Hongwu-class light cruisers are to be built for 1910.

The Convention on Tibet with the government of Prime Minister Santa Anna has led to an agreement where British troops retreat from Tibet, while a joint development scheme is done in Guangdong and Tibet with the British. Moreover, the Convention signals the repeal of the Treaty of Tianjin's foreign ships' navigation on Chinese waters clause, reclaiming territorial sovereignty.

An agreement on agricultural machines and fertilizers is signed with A-H (Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck ).

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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2017 12:09:19 GMT by Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 4, 2017 21:47:59 GMT

Post by liamcog on Dec 4, 2017 21:47:59 GMT

Italy 1909

Italy hang it's head in shame following the outcome with the war. We have failed to prove ourselfs as a strong modern power and though we succeeded militarily we did not get the support from our allies which we needed. We have come into a position where was a cam no longer continue. The queen has made few public appearances. Those who fought well will be rewarded. We do not wish to threaten any nation but shall increase our defence budget as we remain suspicious that the Otomans will seek revenge.

Military: all troops have withdrawn from foreign lands and are now home. We shall further work on the increased range of artilary. FWj2EfkF.
Moderate effects

Economic: 2 million dollars will be played to Jon snow because of the war. We will increase taxes 20% to pay this quickly. We understand this is not good for the people. We import most of our food ( despite being an agricultural nation) from britain and France. I'm not to sure who they are right now so if someone tagged them both I would be grateful. I humbly ask that for the next 2 years the price of food decreases. In return we shall provide military help in the future.

Last Edit: Dec 4, 2017 22:00:17 GMT by liamcog

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 4, 2017 22:53:33 GMT

Post by Ivan Kolev on Dec 4, 2017 22:53:33 GMT

Brazil 1909:

Elections are coming up next year and people are eager to see their party voted in as the majority party. But that is not the major news of the year.

Papers across the nation read "Attempted Anarchist coup! Rossido attack on the Emperor!"

The Rossidos, a year after their formation, orchestrate a plot to overthrow the monarchy. While still in Lima, 15 Rossido soldiers, who had volunteered for the sole purpose of this mission, enter Dom Ludovico's temporary residence at the former Peruvian presidential palace on January 15th, 1909. The 15 Rossido Anarchists enter the Palace and are confronted by a guard at the door. They kill him, but not before another guard is able to see them do so. This guard runs up 5 flights of stairs to alert Ludovico of the attackers.

Ludovico is outnumbered. He has two guards and an aid. They will need to fight 15 well armed troops. Ludovico rallies the 3 other men against the Anarchist conspirators.

At noon, the Anarchists reach the fifth flight. They are immediately met with pistol and rifle fire. 3 Anarchists die in this first attack. The Rossidos then charge the 4 men, bayonetting, and killing, the aid and a guard. The other guard, the one who had initially alerted Dom Ludovico, grabs his Emperor and pushes him into a room with him where he proceeds to lock the door. The guard, named Vittorio de Tignia, rushes to the window and yells out into the city.

"Comrades! Your Emperor is at threat! Defeat the traitors for the Fatherland!"

The Brazilian Third Army then proceeds to rush into the Palace and up the stairs. Before they could reach the fifth floor, however, disaster struck.

After trying to tell Vittorio that they wouldn't kill him if they gave them the Emperor, the Rossidos begin breaking down the door. Vittorio places a chair in front of the door. Knowing that the door wouldn't hold forever, however, Vittorio proceeds to chip away at the floor of the room. While Ludovico could have left through the window, Vittorio wanted to avoid a possibility of the Emperor's death via falling. He was most of the way through the floor when he heard the door's hinges break. At that point, he removed the bayonet off of his rifle, handed the rifle to Ludovico, and rushed towards the door.

The Rossidos rush through the door, but 9 of the 12 are stabbed to death by Vittorio. Then, he is shot in the hand, dropping the bayonet. He proceeds to throw himself at one of the Rossidos, and headbutts him until he falls unconscious. Ludovico, now engaged by one of the Rossidos, grabs a Rossido and throws him out the window to his death. The final Rossido is shot to death by Ludovico with the rifle.

All seemed well, but then the unconscious Rossido, as Vittorio was escorting his Emperor down to the main floor of the Palace, regained consciousness and shot Ludovico in the back with a pistol. Ludovico immediately collapsed to the ground, and Vittorio returned fire, killing the last Rossido plotter. It was 12:05, only 5 minutes after the Anarchists first appeared on the floor.

The Third Army now appeared, and a medic attended to the Emperor. Placing him in a cot, the medic revealed frightening news: Ludovico will not live to see another day.

Vittorio, mortified, is told by the dying Emperor to get closer to him. Struggling to utter any last words, the 39 year old man stated his dying wishes to Vittorio:

"Vittorio. You have fought with me since the beginning, when you aided my forces as a 23 year old against the Republic. Since then you have shown distinct loyalty and courage. I still remember when you marched out of our trenches at San Borja and rushed toward the entrenched Bolivian positions with only an Imperial standard, a pistol, and a gut made of iron. More than that, you took the position, and instead of treating the captured enemy as hostile forces, you treated them with respect. And here, today, you have shown your dedication to the Empire.

Vittorio, I hereby pronounce you my heir. My sons and my daughter are far too young to take the throne, and a regency may only become disloyal to the Empire. Therefore, you shall be the next Emperor. You may pronounce any of my children as your heir, but none of your kin may take the throne. It is only fair to my children and wife whom I will never see again in this world.

Godspeed Dom Vittorio I."

With that, Ludovico shut his eyes for the final time. Vittorio de Tignia was now Dom Vittorio I of the Second Empire of Brazil. He marches out of the Palace and announces this to the Third Army. After lamenting of Ludovico's death, they rally behind Vittorio. Vittorio, the Third Army, and Ludovico's body are brought back to Rio in June of 1909. There, he officially becomes coronated as the Fourth Dom of Brazil. Despite being an Orthodox Christian himself, Vittorio has his coronation attended by both Catholic and Orthodox representatives.

While the Rossidos attempted to take control of Rio itself, the plot was discovered and its ringleaders arrested before anything could happen. The government is retained.

A funeral will be held for Dom Ludovico I in 1910. We request for all nations to send envoys to help mourn the death of our beloved Emperor.

Last Edit: Dec 4, 2017 22:59:42 GMT by Ivan Kolev

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Great Britain 1909:

By some bewitchery that nobody could explain or would want to try to explain, the entire country of Britain went off the map for a while... but now the king and his subjects are back. He sees the need for a strong army again, so the nation calls for loyal subjects of the British crown to come enlist in the armed forces. A 250,000 expeditionary force is assembled by the year's end, for use if/when necessary. The work of raising troops in all the dominions and sending troops to every single British colony is postponed until later. Meanwhile, in British Raj, the Bengal province is reunited to hush the people of Bengal up. Other reforms are made to allow the local people electable to the provincial councils that govern the colony. Basic military training is given to 300,000 Indian troops, with another 100,000 receiving full training. The Siamese are coerced into signing the Anglo-Siamese Treaty, forking over parts of Thai land to British Malaya.

Military
I've already listed my troops. We still have the #1 navy in the world.

Economy
Taxes are cut across the Kingdom, much to everyone's relief. Projects are started to incorporate more infrastructure into the British Raj and other remote colonies of the Empire.

World
Abandoning earlier claims to Tibet that an idiot general had staked, Tibet is returned to the Qing Empire in exchange for more British presence in Guangdong and Tibet. Later, when given a warning that insurgent Sun Yat-sen and his followers are in Malaya, an agreement is signed allowing the Chinese to cooperate with the British in dealing with them and extraditing them to China for trial.(Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr) In exchange for some of the Greek planes and designs, 50% of Greek debt is forgiven. (@joshuameme) While many in the government were sympathetic to the Greek cause in the war, nobody in Parliament would care to get Britain embroiled in a war over Italy and Greece, so the government does nothing.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes.

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 5, 2017 3:50:23 GMT Der Kaiserreich, vasiliy, and 2 more like this

Post by Desophaeus on Dec 5, 2017 3:50:23 GMT

Imperial Russia 1909 (International)

Foreign policy: Embargoes are lifted off Italy and Greece (liamcog , @joshuameme ). If they wishes to import cheap Ukrainian grain or even Siberian grain (which is pouring in via the recent completed Trans-Siberian Railway). There will not be a war between Russia and those Europeans since it came to a fairly short end.

The disappointed soldiers who were enthusiastic to test their mettle in battle and to earn medals of honor, well... they've become restless! Anxious to press on some kind of warfare or colonization, the army generals press upon Nicholas II for an immediate outlet to their frustration. The Tsar sighed and signaled permission with a wave of his hand. Unsure of what targets to pursue, Nicholas asks his staff on what would be considered on the top of their list. Gesturing to a world map, Nicholas offers them the freedom to speak forth on such a rare occasion...

A swarm of rapid-fire proposals fall all over the map!

"Afghanistan! Nyet, Qing! Fool, we have a treaty with them, but we could take Iran instead! Why settle for Iran when you can have India instead! India?!? The British Empire would be very angry at us! Nyet, we ought reclaim our investments in Iran! But what about the Chinese Eastern Railway and Port Arthur? Surely we would benefit from a permanent occupation of Manchuria! We might as well watch all of our hard work sink into the Chinese mud, nyet! Antarctica! Poland! Didn't we already partitioned it? I mean the rest of Poland from Germany and Austria! My heart, nyet! Okay how about Denmark? Sweden! We got Finland, so why not Sweden next? Eh, Iceland instead? We should demand Alaska back from those Americans! Little Belgium got colonies in Africa, why can't we take over Madagascar? What? Nyet! Manchuria should be our colony! Too big! Ryukyu Islands, nobody would mind a minor chain of islands, right? What's the point? Just take the port of Singapore then we can have all of Southeast Asia and the wealth of spices! Grab it all from everyone else!"

"Stop stop, you fools!" Nicholas halted the clamor with a stern glare and an upright hand in the air "... Ayeeee... You lot would want me to tarnish the reputation of ME?!? Bah, no..."
Pausing, the Tsar sat down in quiet thought, then mumbled to himself, "We must have expansion in the Pacific waters, but not at Qing's expense, so Korea then... And the Ottomans have been lacking a suitable compensation in land gains (So do we!), and they still have an ongoing war with Iran which was interrupted by the Libyan war. We must aid them!"

Standing proudly before the audience, Nicholas shouts "Gentlemen, we have wars to fight. The soldiers shall be busy!"

Under the orders of the Tsar, the embassy of the Russian Empire declares war upon Iran and Korea (and Japan by extent, since Japan is the occupier of Korea).

Military Affairs:

The beginning of the Russo-Japanese war:

(moderate by standards of Imperial Russia)
A moderate force of 250,000 soldiers are now shipped via the TSR to Harbin then south to Changchun, then Shenyang, and over to the northern border of Korea. This takes at least 6 months of hard traveling, then a pause of 2 weeks rest in Shenyang to prepare for an entry onto the Korean peninsula landward.
Meanwhile, before the army manages to get into Korea...
The naval Pacific fleet moves out of Port Arthur and fires upon all Korean cities visible from the shore along the coast from the Yalu river: Cholsan, Onchon, Nampo, Taetan... Finally stopping at Incheon when the fleet received word to await the arrival of the army force before proceeding any further.

The effects of the bombardment (single roll 1-6):
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A 4, not too bad. A result of the bombarding from the fleet is the panic of many Koreans and Japanese running from the western shore of Korea in a mass evacuation.

As for the Turko-Iranian war, Russia joins on the Ottomans' side:

(even more moderate)
A relatively small force of 100,000 rides the southern railways down to Ashgabat (Northeast of Iran inside Russian borders). Naturally, this group arrives at its destination much quicker than the Great Korean expedition.
Moving across the rough terrain, The Iranian battles begins with a lunge for the city of Mashhad, needing a 7 due to the superiority of Russian weapons but in rough terrain:

Rolling a 9, Mashhad is taken! But not without some strong casualties. Roughly a little over 12,000 are killed or wounded in total. Setting a garrsion of at least 7,000, now the main force moves west through Khorasan aiming for Gorgan on the Caspian Sea, needing a 6 because of both more gentle terrain combining with the far smaller population and garrison located in there:

Rolling a 8! Minor casualties are encountered, a little under 1,000 were lost. Moving on, The army sends a third of its remaining force (26,000 out of 80,000) for the final piece of the Iranian's shore on Caspian Sea which is Gilgan, needing a 6 to seal the deal:

Rolling a 9! Gilgan and so the Northern coast of Iran is firmly within the hands of Imperial Russia!

The main force of 54,000 moves south from Sari (following the west-east route from Gorgan to Gilgan) to the outskirts Tehran in preparation to lay siege and wait for word from the Ottomans on their progress.

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 5, 2017 4:29:57 GMT vasiliy, liamcog, and 1 more like this

Post by Desophaeus on Dec 5, 2017 4:29:57 GMT

Imperial Russia 1909 (Domestic)

Economy/Trade:
Responding to the recent shocks of ups and downs in supply of raw materials stemming from the freshly ended Libyan war, Russia continues to trade with Ivan Kolev 's Brazil, Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr 's Qing through the gateway of Port Arthur, feeding the fires of industrialization in the region of Manchuria. The Siberian sector booms in opening up avenues of resources utilization in thanks to the TSR.
Omsk acts as an essential transport node, serving as a train station for Trans-Siberian Railway and as a staging post for the Irtysh River. In addition, Omsk being the seat of the Governor General of Western Siberia explodes in population numbers, gaining 17,000 new residents this year alone.

More oil fields are tapped in the Baku peninsula at home and the ones abroad near Ploieşti (Romania, best75 ), further oil exploration is encouraged by the Russian government nationwide.

Military Development:
Last year, some of the leading French aviators were hired and employed to develop both lighter-than-air (airships) and heavier-than-air (airplanes) vehicles.
After one year of work, the results for the rigid airship experiments (aka dirigible) are:
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Rolled a 8, excellent and steady progress is made!

And for the airplane?

Rolled a 10. Oh wow, even better success than the dirigble. That's surprising. Round of applause for the hardworking men serving the Imperial army!

Navy:
A new battleship class -- The Gangut class, with four ships ordered, has begun construction. 2 in St. Petersburg, 1 in Helsinki, 1 in Sevastopol. They should be complete with triple 12 in. guns in two years, ready for launching by 1911.

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 5, 2017 6:47:53 GMT Desophaeus, vasiliy, and 1 more like this

Post by best75 on Dec 5, 2017 6:47:53 GMT

Germany 1909
Wilhelm II has gotten very sick and as a result his advisors take a lead in ruling the country until Wilhelm gets better.

The recent war has ended before any of the german armies could see action. His advisors recall the german armies from Russia, Austria Hungary, and Ottomans. These armies are stationed back in Germany, No doubt the men from these armies we're itching to see some action but the advisors have no interest in pursuing a war without Wilhelm II's approval. The soldiers will just have to make do with army exercises for the time being.

His advisors show a great interests in developing a airforce for the german army. Engineers are ordered to develop a airplane engine.
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The first engine explodes in a ball of fire. The advisors are displeased and order another attempt at developing a engine.

Its workable but the engine will want to be improved in the future if the future german airforce is to operate efficiently.

The industry of Germany continues to develop at a rapid pace. Germany continues to have one of the best industries in the world. This developed industry allows Germany to support a very good social welfare system. This makes the citizens of Germany very invested in the country and willing to protect it against any enemy that wishes to bring down the country.···

Last Edit: Dec 5, 2017 7:08:20 GMT by best75

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 5, 2017 8:42:21 GMT vasiliy and liamcog like this

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Hellas 1910

Major Event

The Marxist/Socialists escape to northwestern Greece and replenish their numbers to 5 thousand men before James Bonski is alerted of this in March. He ordered the people to evacuate the area and a roll to determine success is made. 7xaP97G_ A good portion of the population evacuates but James Bondski puts a temporal siege of the area to show the people what will happen and we roll again.  moderate success on this one and almost all the population is out of the area. We blockade the area from the sea and lay siege to the surrounding area (If you don't get how this is somewhat a joke I am starving the communists....) a roll to determine the casualities is made.  About 1 thousand men die in the siege and it is lifted and the people leave the area. The zone is now clear for combat. The Marxists use this siege and broadcasted it around the north of Greece and another 3 thousand men decide to join them. They were able to steal a couple of the rifle shipments from Sweden are able to steal 7 thousand of them. They are mostly supplied so an 8 to kill the first group entirely is needed.   8 Hundred men rebel against the Marxists for an unknown reason and in the midst of the confusion the military swoops in taking very low casualities and destroy the entire force. The 3 Thousand men disperse around Greece waiting to fight. Ending (At least for now) the Greek civil war.

Political: James Bondski decided to attend the funeral of Dom Ludivico himself stating (Tagging Ivan Kolev ) "Joshua had a personal relation to an extent with Dom Ludivico I wish to continue that tradition with Vittorio." Any man who is a Marxist is forced out of politics permanently as the government and the people fear a recurision of the Marxist army.

Economy: Projects come to an end as the Infrastructure is well. And now more money can be spent on research. Men are sent to clean up the damage from the fighting. not much else happens here.

Naval Doctrine: 1 dreadnought, one submarine 17 patrol boats and 2 submarines will be built by March 1911. We begin working on a Ruiter class Destroyer that will have better firepower, we hope by 1912 it is ready.  It went extremely well and the first one is to be built in mid 1911. the oldest men who have served 9-10 years are released and new young recruits are put into the navy.

Air Doctrine: Fauneral Alexander Tres returns from Sweden having trained the men. We once more ask about the deal between us and Bulgaria (Tagging, Basilikon Agemos ). We are able to produce 100 of each type this year. We take inspiration from the Bulgarian balloons and begin working on our very own.  It gains moderate success but not enough. We send replacement parts to Sweden (tagging Hugh III of Burgundy ).

Land Doctrine: We keep the same military size but invest in producing more artillery. We also produce more heavy and light armoured cars to make a sort of heavy combat unit. Research has been going into them for a while now too. Men are trained in defensive and offensive tactics.···········

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 6, 2017 4:20:26 GMT Gaius Julius Caesar likes this

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Koninkrijk België/Royaume de Belgique/Königreich Belgien 1909

Political

The Federal Parliament was actually without much discussion, for there was little to discuss than minor domestic affairs. However, they did vote on unification with the French, as there was a request for it. This vote happened simultaneously with the French legislature voting on unification. This obvious passed with about 70% voting yes in the Federal Parliament, as the Belgians wanted increased influence in the world. Unification would happen 1910. Although it is sudden, the Belgians felt that they could handle the increased political pressure.

Economic

Trade has increased 14-fold with France, as a result of ever-closer relations. This helps the Belgian economy quite a bit.

Military

Joint military training with France has been ramped up during this year, as a result of extremely close relations. Other than that, there is practically nothing.

Research

Just another normal year for the scientists and their Chinese student counterparts.

Tank

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Aeroplane

Experiments went horribly wrong, as it seems that the testing was rushed. 7 years are still required for both technologies.
Foreign Affairs

Belgian diplomats begin meeting in Paris with the French government (on how to unify in an orderly manner).

Social

As a result of the friendship with the French, the Belgians infused their fashion with the French, creating a new Franco-Belgian fashion. Currently, both fashions are in competition with one another.···

Last Edit: Dec 6, 2017 4:23:13 GMT by Tadamichi Kuribayashi

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 6, 2017 4:30:55 GMT Gaius Julius Caesar likes this

Post by Tadamichi Kuribayashi on Dec 6, 2017 4:30:55 GMT

La Troisième République 1909

Political

Many domestic and colonial affairs had to be sorted out, as the French government rushed to prevent any political leaks. The Chamber of Deputies and the Senate voted on the unification of the Kingdom of Belgium. Both the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate overwhelming voted to support the unification, seeking the wealth of the Belgians. Negotiations would begin with the Belgians, establishing the unification by 1910.

Economic

The economy is still bumpy, but slowly recovering. Let's give it some time, eh? The Belgians are also helping us quite a bit.

Military

Nothing of note, though those joint exercises with the Belgians are helping our troops stay in tip top shape.

Research

We are not seeking to research anything, as we plan to use Belgian research when unification occurs.

Social

Poverty remains at an all time high. The people are starting to grow restless, we need the unification fast!

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 6, 2017 4:52:06 GMT

Post by Der Kaiserreich on Dec 6, 2017 4:52:06 GMT

1908-1909
Osmanlı Sultanlığı

Military

Most men in the Balkans are withdrawn and brought to prepare for the invasion of Iran. They are transported across the empire and arrive in Iran to reinforce the pushing Ottoman forces.
Military reforms continue to take effect
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Research continues:
Rifles:

Equipment:

Artillery guns:

Armored vehicles:

Ships:

Aircraft:

The troops already stationed near Iran, taking the opportunity while Iran is distracted by the Russian assault, pushes towards Tehran.
They attack Tabriz. A 5 is required to win.

Victory! The army then pushes forward to Tehran. A 5 is required to reach there.

Economy

Trade is now open to all who accepts it.
War reparations continue.

Political

The Sultan decides to establish a small government to manage the empire. For now, it will consist of about a hundred members. They will assist the Sultan in less important matters.
Greece surrenders and pays heavy war reparations. The war ends as quickly as it begins.

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Last Edit: Dec 6, 2017 10:45:36 GMT by Der Kaiserreich

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 6, 2017 9:18:35 GMT liamcog likes this

Post by Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr on Dec 6, 2017 9:18:35 GMT

Great Qing 1910

Elections

The Qing Legislative Yuan is a unicameral one, consisting only of the National Assembly. It would consist of 791 deputies, each deputy representing approximately 500,000 people. They are elected by proportional representation. Voting is conducted in a period of two weeks all across China, with ballots transported to Beijing as soon as regional voting finishes. The ballot consists of the five parties mentioned in last year's turn.

Voter requirements are simple; proof of residence for two years and proof of literacy. Not only the voters, the deputies themselves have requirements to qualify. They must show a university degree or take an examination on history (as a passing grade) and electives (to be put in several ad-hoc committees) to qualify for the post of deputy. A Constitutional Commission consisting of 72 deputies, represented by the top scorers of the legislative exam have powers to draft the Constitution, propose, and veto amendments to the Constitution. 1/5 of the normal deputies can propose an amendment which must be approved by two-thirds of the assembly.

In regard to passing laws, a majority in the assembly, the cabinet, and the Emperor must reach a consensus. The Emperor may veto the cabinet but not the assembly. No veto overrides. The cabinet itself is created by appointing a member of the winning coalition to the Premiership.

While unicameral, the legislative body allow for an ad-hoc Convention of Provinces to form, provided that a two-thirds majority of provincial assemblies write and approve a petition to do so. They function as a provisional assembly, taking the reins from the National Assembly if the states believe that the representatives have failed their constituents. By three months, the Convention must disband, either the Assembly restored or a snap election called. Normally, the deputies serve a 5-year term.

National Assembly

People First Movement
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Constitutionalist Party

Unity Party

Radical Party

Social Democratic Party

Provincial Assemblies

People First Movement

Constitutionalist Party

Unity Party

Radical Party

Social Democratic Party

And so, the election results are in:

National Assembly
Populists: 132 seats
Constitutionalists: 84 seats
Unitarists: 168 seats
Radicals: 215 seats
Social Democrats: 192 seats

Constitutional Commission
Populists: 25 seats
Constitutionalists: 16 seats
Unitarists: 32 seats
Radicals: 41 seats
Social Democrats: 36 seats

Provincial Assemblies (a majority in)
Populists: 4 provinces
Constitutionalists: 4 provinces
Unitarists: 5 provinces
Radicals: 3 provinces
Social Democrats: 6 provinces

Voter turnout in the national assembly's election was exceptionally high in cities, but only 42% of the rural voting populace actually voted. With the Radicals' base being the cities, especially Shanghai and Shenzhen. In the rural areas, the Radicals do not fare so well, though the clear winner there is the Social Democrats, surprisingly winning in Beijing as well as the rural areas. The Unitarists (having also won the second-most votes in Beijing) and Populists follow closely in the rural areas. The Constitutionalist base resides in Tianjin and some other rural areas.

The provincial assembly's election produced different results; the Radical party were the losers and Social Democrats the winners. The work of Chen Duxiu has paid off, though he is reluctant to lead the party.

With the election coming to a close, coalition-forming begins. Prince Zaitao flatly refuses any offer of Coalition. Neither the supposed cronies of Yuan Shikai in the Constitutionalists or the Reds (according to the Unitarists) in the government. The Constitutionalists' attempt at coalition is rebuffed. The government forms with the Social Democratic party taking the Premiership under Wu Zhihui, a Social Democrat philosopher. The People's First Movement joins the government, under the tenuous hold of Zhao Bingjun.

Needless to say, the Guangxu Emperor approves of the Wu Zhihui cabinet. Here and there, however, several concessions are made, putting pro-royalist forces in the government.

Wu Zhihui's Cabinet

1. Prime Minister: Wu Zhihui (Social Democrat)
2. Deputy Prime Minister: Zhang Renjie (Social Democrat)
3. Minister of Foreign Affairs: Lou Tseng-Tsiang
    Vice-Minister: Liang Dunyan
4. Minister of Interior: Zhao Bingjun (Populist)
    Vice-Minister: Sun Baoqi
5. Minister of Finance: Chen Jintao (Radical)
    President of Imperial Bank: Sheng Xuanhai
6. Minister of Education: Yan Xiu (Radical)
    Vice-Minister: Zhang Boling (Radical)
7. Minister of Defense: Yinchang
    Chief of Army: Jiang Guiti
    Chief Admiral: Sa Zhenbing
8. Minister of Justice: Wu Tingfang
    Vice-Minister: Shen Jiaben
9. Minister of Commerce: Charlie Soong (Radical)
    Vice-Minister: Chen Jiongming (Social Democrat)
10. Minster of Industry: Kung Hsiang-hsi (Radical)
      Vice-Minister: Li Shizeng (Social Democrat)
11. Minister of Agriculture: Zaize
      Vice-Minister: Mao Yichang (Populist)
12. Minister for Cultural Affairs: Cai Yuanpei (Social Democrat)
      Vice-Minister: Zhang Binglin (Social Democrat)
13. Minister of Mail and Transport: Liang Shiyi
      Vice-Minister: Tang Shaoyi
14. Special Representative for Tibet: Tsarong Dazang

In the Constitutional Commission all seemed well on the first day. The Commission agreed on the first article of the Constitution, that China is a constitutional monarchy under the Great Qing's Mandate. Yet on the second day, numerous problems showed.

Debate sparks on the second article, the planned National Principles. The Populists want the principle of Nationalism and Populism, planning to retake Chinese national sovereignty and bringing back the Middle Kingdom on its place in the world; leader of tributary states, the greatest nation in the world. They too would like a government based on the people, with equality for all in China, under the Emperor's arms. The Constitutionalists want the principle of Hierarchy, respecting old Chinese social hierarchies which put them on top. The Unity party stresses on the principle of Devotion to the Emperor. The Radicals, the principles of Reform and Democracy, constantly changing the Chinese state in accordance to the situation of the world striving to be a state based on enlightened rule. The Social Democrats stress the principle of Welfare.

Debate too, rages on the boundaries of China and the people that constitute it, along with their relation to the State. Almost all members of the commission approve of including territorial claims to the Constitution, though to which degree debated - the Populists want even as far as Outer Manchuria, while the more level-headed members of the Commission argue that putting such extravagant claims threaten good relations.

The relation of the state and the Emperor is also questioned. The Radicals want popular sovereignty conducted under the Constitution, while the Social Democrats argue for popular sovereignty and popular sovereignty only. The Unity party argues for the Emperor's final say, with the Populists surprisingly supporting them - for popular sovereignty under the Emperor, at the very least.

The debate does not seem to come to a close, though the Radicals and Social Democrats agree on combining their ideologies, under one principle of reform for and by the people.

Regardless, the Wu Zhihui cabinet and the National Assembly gets to work. The first bill that passes the Assembly is the Unequal Treaties Bill, giving the foreign office sweeping powers to conduct renegotiation of Unequal Treaties. In particular, the actions taken by the Foreign Office now have less rigid requirements. While the cabinet had to approve of all acts by diplomats in the past, now they only have to act according to their interpretation of foreign policy unless specifically ordered against and send weekly reports.

The Foreign Office gets to work in revising the first of many unequal treaties: the Treaty of Tientsin. What is made is the Treaty of Hanoi, returning Vietnam to the Great Qing.

Treaty of Sino-French Friendship, Cooperation, and Commerce

Guided by the desire to aid the two High Contracting Parties in their difficulties and complement each other in their strength, the Kingdom of France and Belgium and the Great Qing have resolved to conclude a treaty regarding the status of Chinese claims in French Indochina. The Plenipotentiaries of the High Contracting Parties, to wit: The Kings of France and Belgium: Albert Jean George Marie Louis Picquié, acting Governor-General of French Indochina; and His Imperial Highness Emperor of China: Lou Tseng-Tsiang, Foreign Minister have agreed upon the following Articles:

1. Qing sovereignty shall be recognized in the Protectorates of Tonkin, Annam,and Cochinchina,
2. In return, the Qing Empire shall send a one-time payment of 500,000 silver taels and a long-term payment of weapons shipments in total of a fifth of its military industry for a period of three years,
3. The Franco-Belgian Kingdom agrees to cooperation with the Qing Empire in the form of joint research, of which both France and the Qing shall bear fruit,
4. The Franco-Belgian Kingdom shall conduct trade freely with the Qing Empire,
5. The mutually friendly relations between the two High Contracting Parties shall be affirmed.

The Foreign Office issues a Declaration on Vietnam. Tonkin shall be annexed to Qing China. Annam and Cochinchina shall band to form the Kingdom of Vietnam, under the Nguyen Dynasty. It shall be a tributary state (puppet) to the Great Qing, under a constitutional monarchy led by the Provisional Cabinet of Tran Cao Van. In addition, Yikuang, Prince Qing shall be appointed Prince Regent, leading a half-Qing half-Vietnamese regency council.

Another declaration is issued by the Foreign Office, on the status of the Lanfang Republic:
The Great Qing affirms the sovereignty of the Lanfang Republic as a tributary state to China. The Great Qing shall send aid to the Lanfang Republic, in men and material, to reaffirm its sovereignty in the middle of the Dutch East Indies.

Pursuant to the declaration, the Lanfang Expeditionary Force is formed. 8,000 men of the cadre army, led by Lieutenant-Colonel Chiang Kai-Shek****. They are escorted by a naval task foce of 3 Nang Hai heavy cruisers and 6 Hongwu light cruisers to Pontianak in West Borneo. The overall command of this task force lies in the hands of Zaixun, the Prince Rui.

On the 5th of May, they arrive at Pontianak. A few warning shots are fired at the Dutch defenders. Before any occupation of Pontianak starts, the Foreign Office issues the Landang ultimatum to the Dutch East Indies colonial authority (starlord2307 ):
1. Cease and desist the illegal occupation of Pontianak and all former of the Lanfang Republic.
2. Recognize the sovereignty of the Lanfang Republic as a Qing tributary state.
3. Remove all Dutch military presence from West Borneo, the territory of the Lanfang Republic.

The bombardment continues. For hours, no response came. Until on the eve of the 9th of April, a full fourteen hours after the ultimatum, the Dutch government-in-exile responds. The response (1-3 war, 4-6 fold):

The Dutch fold and comply with Qing demands. The Sarawak Convention soon starts to draft a formal treaty regarding the cessation of West Borneo to the Lanfang Republic, and Dutch recognition of its sovereignty. Queen Wilhelmina herself signs the Treaty of Sarawak, complying to the demands stated in the Lanfang ultimatum as well as ensuring the ability of the Republic to conduct diplomatic relations with sultanates under the Dutch East Indies.

The Lanfang Republic is set up as a tributary state to the Great Qing, with Chiang Kai-Shek appointed Military Governor. Soon, a proper Governor-General chosen by the Guangxu Emperor will take his place and oversee the rule of the Republic. It is to be a parliamentary democracy with free and open election where both the indigenous and Chinese male populations can vote on the members of the Legislative Board with a Prime Minister as its head of government.

The Guangxu Emperor conducts a state visit to Brazil (Ivan Kolev ). He joins the mourning for Dom Ludovicio the Liberator in Rio. To the newly-christened Dom Vittorio, we express our hopes and well wishes for your reign. We sent gifts of century eggs, a finely-crafted vase, and a leopard jade figurine with sapphires as spots.

On the 23rd of March, Finance Minister Chen Jintao delivers a speech to the National Assembly. He stresses the importance of quality printing and engraving in implementing paper money, noting that China is inexperienced in those matters. He notes too that the pegging of the currency to silver should be replaced with a bimetallic standard eventually, easing up trade but still preventing the West from dominating Chinese industry. Furthermore, he recommends the creation of a mission to investigate the printing methods of other nations.

After Finance Minister Jintao's speech, the Printing and Engravinng Bill passes the National Assembly, signed by the Emperor. It mandates the creation of a mission to improve money printing methods. To that end, the Ministry sends the Xuanhai mission, led by Sheng Xuanhai and Liang Hongzhi to various nations in order to investigate their currency printing methods. Their first destination is France-Belgium (Tadamichi Kuribayashi ).

On the first of April, Industry Minister H. H. Kung delivers a speech on the future industrialization of China to the National Assembly. He states that the past industrialization policies have been enough to leave most industries in a state of self-sufficiency. Kung concludes that the industrial policy of China must use subsidies to increase production with as little spending as possible. As such, Kung proposes "building China on the backs of giants". The creation of corporate conglomerates able to compete with giants like Krupp on the world stage is a necessary evil to rapidly develop industry, according to Kung. However, he notes that the burden would be shared eventually, passing on subsidies to rural industry.

The proposal sparks intense debate in the Assembly. The Constitutionalists and Radicals all agree with Kung's pragmatic assessment. The Social Democrats and Populists are horrified by such a blatant attempt to favor the industrial class, with the Unitarists being split. Charlie Soong proposes a compromise: that industrialization occurs in conglomerates that ensure labor rights. As such, two bills are passed by the Assembly. The Coastal Development Scheme Bill outlines heavy industrial subsidization in the coastal regions to build conglomerates. The Labor Bill ensures the right to an union, abolishing child labor, and setting up "minimum industrial standards" for labor.

Of course, the customary military industry roll;

Arsenals

Yes.

Shipyards

The shipyard at Haiphong starts construction. Fuzhou and Jiangnan see no major improvement.

In regards to agriculture, Hiram King's survey of Chinese soil has finished, recommending sustainable practices in agriculture to cultivate soil to the best of its potential. The Ministry of Agriculture adopts modern tools such as tractors, instructing local factories to produce them and farmers to use them. The instruction comes with education from village centers. They serve as points of distribution for fertilizer as well.

Literacy is 54% nao.

As per the reform plans, the regional armies are abolished and merged into the Imperial Army. This is quite easy since the Guangxu Emperor has quite the centralized rule over China after the death of Yuan Shikai. The Imperial army now numbers around 600,000, constructed of 10 Corps of 6 Divisions (60,000 men) each. Now, the General Staff is formed, with a Logistics Department, Planning Department, Training Department, and Welfare Department. The cadre army members are used as NCOs, to quickly standardize the quality of the Imperial Army.

After receiving arms shipments of the Mosin-Nagant from Russia (Desophaeus ), the Mannlicher M95 from Austria-Hungary (Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck , the Hotchkiss machine gun and Berthier rifle from Franco-Belgium (Tadamichi Kuribayashi ), and the Gewehr 98 from Germany (best75 ), the Army begins to test the equipment in an attempt to standardize.

The commission quickly scraps the Berthier Rifle due to its capacity. After concluding tests with the Mosin, Mauser, and Mannlicher, the Army concludes that the Mosin and Mauser's rate of fire are unsatisfactory. Thus, the tests recommend creating a variant of the Mannlicher's straight-pull action. Liu En Ming, the commander of the Hanyang Arsenal, devises several improvements to this rifle:
1. A 10-bullet magazine instead of a 5-bullet clip, increasing rate of fire.
2. A test to be conducted to the Mannlicher, ensuring its reliability in most climates.
3. Rechambering to adopt the 8 x 50 mm caliber bullet,
3. General improvements on the action.

Rolling for success in the magazine. 8?

The ten-bullet magazine is successfully adopted to the Mannlicher. Now, along with improvements on the action, the rifle is tested in a hellish test for a week, across muddy, snowy, and all terrain in between. Over the course of the test, the rifle will discharge 50,000 bullets. Rolling for its performance.

It performs well. The Hanyang 10, based on the Mannlicher will be the standard service rifle for the Qing military. For 1911, the government commissions 680,000 Hanyang 10 rifles for the newly-formed Imperial Army.

On the machine guns, the army decides that the usage of the Hotchkiss machine guns, both the M 1909 light machine guns and the heavy machine guns would be adopted. Rolling to see if the machinery that currently exist in the arsenals are enough to produce machine guns.

They are. Especially with the help of Krupp in the machinery, China can into produce MGs and arty.

The navy, under Sa Zhenbing believes that it is ready to produce battleships for its own, after periods of surviving on a modern cruiser fleet. The National Assembly voices some doubts regarding the price of the new battleship. Sa Zhenbing argues that the budget surplus coming from the transition from state-sponsored industrialization for all to conglomerate forming policies under a free market with limits is enough. Furthermore, Liu Kunyi proposes that the people can donate to the construction of the battleship, for several privileges such as having a say in naming them.

Realizing that it would take too long and be too expensive to produce blueprints of their own, the Navy decides to procure plans from other nations. Looking at the geography of China, the navy does not recommend an Atlantic Fleet model focusing on speed, but a Pacific Fleet one focusing on resilience and range. The new battleship must be a Dreadnought, to bring China up in the arms race.

To this end, the Wu Zhihui Cabinet and the Emperor secretly authorizes a Jinyiwei mission to infiltrate the General Board of the US Navy (António Salazar ), responsible for design. Rolling to see how deep they infiltrate.

Jinyiwei agents have successfully infiltrated the US Navy General Board. Partially with the help of several sympathizers within the US Navy, the agents have gotten administrative positions in the US Navy's General Board. With a Kodak 3A Special (which seems to be some sort of pocket camera), the agents photograph the latest US battleship designs (the Florida-class, Wyoming-class, and New York-class). Rolling for the number of designs successfully photographed and replicated. (4 for one, 7 for 2, and 10 for all three).

Very well. All recent US battleship designs have been replicated by the Jinyiwei, to be scurried away to China. Now, since this involves technically no stealing, it won't be that noticeable. Rolling for the success of the post-mission concealment efforts. Since we've infiltrated quite well and the fact the the Jinyiwei didn't steal, a 6 to remain undetected?

Yes. The Kodak Camera and other tools are destroyed, along with the unfortunate murder of the sympathizers, to clear out all possible traces.

Penang Conference

The events of this TL's Penang Conference will be written in two forms; a POV of the Jinyiwei agent responsible for the operation and a normal turn format.

The long journey through the streets and alleys ended in front of a long, narrow, merchant house.

Together with Hu Hanmin, Xianji had arrived from the mainland. The ferry had docked a day ago on the docks, bringing with it some other Tongmenghui members. Their purpose was the same as Xianji's: the Penang Conference. Doctor Sun had invited them to determine the future of China and the Tongmenghui. Possibly an end to failed rebellions, Xianji thought. A rebellion that will overthrow the Great Qing at last. A sickening thought.

Sun Mei was present on the porch, greeting each man entering the door. The hall after the door had a box for donations to the cause. Xianji opened his heavy briefcase and put a few Straits Dollars into the box. Only a few marked bills. The marks make it seem that bills shouldn't have been anywhere but the Treasury; still, the colonial authorities had given the marked bills to Xianji. The more evidence planted, the more justified the raid would be.

The hall gave way to an even larger hall. In the center, a large dining table, already seated by some comrades. Doctor Sun, Han Xin, and Hu Hanmin - he had only caught up. The fresh air was quite the relief after the bustle of Georgetown streets. Xianji shook some hands, revealed several papers from his briefcase, laying it all on the table. Nothing auspicious; only ledgers and Tongmenghui chapters ready to rebel. Hidden in between, encoded British government documents.

After a bit of a speech by Doctor Sun regarding the pivotal moment for the Tongmenghui being now, Xianji excused himself to the bathroom. Not on business, but to incriminate the Tongmenghui. Walking up the second floor, Xianji plants his Mauser, hidden his coat pocket in Sun's bedroom. More was hidden in his trench coat. Using a length of rope from the terrace, he climbed down to the street - fortunately the local citizens seem to know the events brewing. No one was on the street.

Xianji comes back to the terrace. Now not only was rope on the terrace, but grenades and sticks of dynamite.

It was now to wait for the knock.

On the 13th of November, a joint operation conducted by the Qing Gendarmerie and British police (Santa Anna) raided Dr. Sun Yat-sen's house in Penang. There, numerous pieces of evidence confirm the fact that he and his group, the Tongmenghui, have been planning acts of sedition and rebellion against both Qing China and Britain.

As per the extradition agreement, the members of the Tongmenghui are returned to China for trial.

Explaining some alterations in the TL:
*Wu Zhihui, Zhang Renjie, and Li Shizeng didn't turn out to be anarchists because in this TL, instead of Paris they went to Berlin. And in Berlin, they adopted Social Democracy from the SPD. Now, they also are not anarchists here because the Qing government has shown to be quite competent recently. Thus, these three became founding members of the Social Democrats, with Chen Duxiu.
**Same with Cai Yuanpei, Cheng Jiongming, and a host of other Radicals.
***All the businessmen (Chen Jintao, H. H. Kung) are here because of their association to Charlie Soong, the father-in-law of Prince Zaitao in this timeline. I do plan on creating family disputes, but I digress.
****Qing army in this TL. After studying in Japan, the relatively better relations Qing has with Japan and the better state of the army persuaded him to stay.

To be continued

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Last Edit: Dec 10, 2017 3:27:21 GMT by Laurent de Gouvion St. Cyr

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 6, 2017 18:00:13 GMT liamcog likes this

Post by Tadamichi Kuribayashi on Dec 6, 2017 18:00:13 GMT

Royaume de Franco-Belgique/Koninkrijk van Franco-België

Political

We did it! We actually did it! Both kingdoms have united! This is a fine accomplishment. After months of negotiations between the French, the Wallonians,and the Flemish, it was agreed upon that there would be a new general Parliament determining national affairs along with extensive autonomy for every ethnic group in order to prevent an uprising. Although uprisings may occur, we hope that the new system of government works. Our first session of Parliament concerned on how to deal with the poor living conditions of the French. Flemish politicians refused to help the French, while the French and Wallonians wanted to help them. Extensive argument broke out, though this was settled when a Wallonian made a compromise where the Flemish did not have to contribute, but could.

Economic

The combination of economies made domestic trade much easier, though the economy is now burdened with the French. An economist predicted the future of this unstable economy. A roll of 9 or higher means that the economy will be terrible, 6-8 means that the economy will slowly improve, while 2-5 means that the economy will boom quite soon.

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Not bad! Our economy will improve slowly, but steadily.

Military

Our militaries have combined, creating a total of 575,000 infantry, 25,000 elite troops, 1,000 artillery, 35,000 Force Publique, and a couple of steel cruisers...(Dang it Old France, why did you not get a navy!?!?!??!). While this is unimpressive for our military pride, we will alleviate this soon. The Parliament agreed on expanding naval production, especially dreadnoughts.

Research

Now that French scientists are in the scene, they will help the Chinese students and the Belgian scientists on the tank.

A roll of 6 is now required to advance the research by one year, with the roll required to roll again remains at 9.

Tank

How...did we fail so horribly? Years required: 7

Aeroplane

Yes! Yes! It is up and coming! We will do more research!

There is no way that this just succeeded. Scientists, keep going! Forward, forward!

We succeeded, but our scientists are clearly exhausted. We will continue next year. Years required: 4.

Foreign Affairs

Because of the unification, we feel that we must reset on all of our relations with other countries. We hope that this does not anger anyone. If anyone wishes to do business, they need to send a diplomat to discuss relations.

Social

As a result of the unification, the different cultures began to infuse upon one another, creating a wonderful cultural revolution. Although some Flemish feel that they are losing their rights...·········

Last Edit: Dec 6, 2017 18:15:06 GMT by Tadamichi Kuribayashi

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Post by best75 on Dec 7, 2017 11:12:23 GMT

Germany 1910
We countine to develop a Air Force.

Seeing if engineers are able to make a prototype of a recon plane for the army to use. A 7 to succeed
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The prototype works well enough. The final design of the recon plane will be done next year and if successful will be put into production the year after.

The development of a public train transport system in Berlin is prioritized.

The unification of France and Belgium has caught the attention of the advisors. The advisors have no ill intentions against this France-Belgium Union however they send one of the German armies to boarder Belgium for defensive purpose.·

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WWI Alt Hist Turn Thread Dec 8, 2017 14:47:46 GMT

Post by Ivan Kolev on Dec 8, 2017 14:47:46 GMT

Brazil 1910:

Political:

The nation is still in mourning over the death of beloved Emperor Ludovico. His replacement, a former soldier and guard named Vittorio, has promised to mostly rule as Ludovico would, but also promises reforms for the common people.

Vittorio, the son of a Romanian Mother and Aromanian/Albanian Father, both Orthodox Christians, grew up in the worst slums of Rio de Janeiro and was ridiculed for his Orthodoxy and his distinct Romanian accent when speaking Portuguese. In 1899, the Republican government of Brazil had his father imprisoned because he refused to allow government agents to enter his small business. Following the incident, Vittorio became dedicated to overthrowing the Republic, and helped Ludovico in his taking of power in 1902 at the age of 23. He rose through the ranks and now, at the age of 31, he was now the most powerful man in Brazil. His first Imperial Decree is one in which he pardons his father from prison as with all others who were detained during the time of the Republic, which was overlooked by Ludovico.

Vittorio aligns himself with the Liberalistas, as they are more in favor of political reform, while publicly denouncing the Rossidos for their attempted coup last year. He also formerly denounces the Plutocristas, due to their 'undemocratic' views according to him. He does not ban either political party, however, due to his belief that banning a party due to their views would be undemocratic in its own right.

The 1910 Elections became heated as both the Imperialistas and the Liberalistas have massive amounts of support throughout the nation. The Imperialistas benefit from the recent death of the Emperor, and their campaign slogan, "What would Ludovico want?", garners large amounts of support. Meanwhile, the Liberalistas benefit from Vittorio's recent endorsement of their party. The Rossidos gain no seats in the House due to the recent attempted coup, while the Marxistos gain limited support from industrial communities in the major cities. The Plutocristas continue to reign supreme in the Senate. The Nativistos ultimately take votes away from the Imperialistas as they begin launching campaign ads stating that Vittorio is a Russian spy who aimed to make Brazil "The Byzantium of the New World". Most of the public is solidly in support of the Emperor, and begin voting with him by siding with the Liberalistas. The Rossidos actually gain one seat in the Senate along with the Nativistos due to the fact that these parties are solidly against Vittorio, who has recently gone against the Senate.

Senate:
Imperialista-7
Liberalista-5
Plutocrista-86
Nativisto-1
Marxisto-0
Rossido-1

House:
Imperialista-204
Liberalista-223
Nativisto-1
Plutocrista-0
Marxisto-7
Rossido-0

Vittorio, now with a House sympathetic to him, issues an Imperial Decree regarding the Senate.

The Curian Limitation:

-Wealth/property will no longer be a requirement to vote for Senators

The Plutocristas in the Senate reject this thoroughly as unconstitutional, and take Vittorio to court. In the case Amazia v. Brazil, Brazilian aristocrat Jose de Amazia sued the Brazilian government, arguing that the Senate's wealth requirements are protected by the Brazilian constitution. It goes to the Supreme Court, where, in a close 5-4 Decision, 3 Liberalistas and 2 Imperialistas, including Imperialista Chief Justice Umberto de Gullio, rule that changing the wealth requirements is constitutional, stating that the constitution protected the Senate as an institution as opposed to protecting the wealth requirements. The ruling means that the Senate will no longer be exclusive to the rich man, and real economic change can happen. The current Senate will stay in power until next election cycle in 1914.

Economic:

The Senate's Plutocristas, knowing that in 4 years they will surely all be voted out of office, begin to pass legislation aimed at securing the status quo. They pass the Patrician Acts, which prohibit any laws outlawing child labor, limiting the work day, establishing a minimum wage, or protecting unions from being passed. The Patrician Acts are immediately vetoed by Vittorio, but the Senate overrides it. The passing of the Patrician Acts leads to riots in Rio and Villa do Ludovico, and word of a Marxisto revolt circulate.

Last Edit: Dec 8, 2017 23:07:59 GMT by Ivan Kolev

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tawwing: can someone sent me the wc4 unlocked apk.because i want to make mod Oct 8, 2024 12:01:10 GMT

tawwing: hui Oct 8, 2024 16:41:39 GMT

Antonina of Philippopolis: I haven't been here in what feels like ages!

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sin: Growth stage. Deploy a unit in territory 5 European War 7. How to complete it? help plz Oct 14, 2024 20:13:38 GMT

Deleted: It would be really cool if Easytech made a Seven Years War Game. Oct 27, 2024 21:44:31 GMT

kutuzov: A game covering from Italian Wars - Seven Years War would be great Oct 29, 2024 3:46:59 GMT

Indonesia: Hello Nov 3, 2024 5:18:03 GMT

Indonesia: I'm back Nov 3, 2024 5:18:15 GMT

kudahitam: hallo Nov 4, 2024 16:04:48 GMT

radiofuhrerbunker: can someone provide link of WC4 Glory mod. That doesn't crash when using airforce and has no sound issue fixed. Feels kinda boring to play without BGM and SFX Nov 6, 2024 20:02:55 GMT

fuhbuyfbhbhfbeubhbhb: bro i cant even get it it makes me sad how i cant et EVEN THOUGH IM ON A WINDOWS 10 Nov 9, 2024 19:09:03 GMT

radiofuhrerbunker: I can give you the mod but it doesn't have sound but if you are looking for a genuine pc game of wc4 then go to microsoft store Nov 11, 2024 15:58:34 GMT

Erich von Manstein: If you want to play a mod through a PC, download an Android emulator and install the mod there. Nov 14, 2024 20:39:20 GMT

joemcrosyb: Hello every one Nov 21, 2024 16:08:47 GMT

tremyoe: hello Nov 21, 2024 16:57:33 GMT

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