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Post by Red Cat Modding on Nov 16, 2017 21:50:22 GMT
OK, first of all, dont get me wrong, the game is good, good no flaws , maybe even awesome, but thats all because of something i am going to (try) to tell in my review. Also, you dont have to share my opinion, if you completly disagree with everything i said, wich without a doubt is going to happen, keep it for yourself.
The game is, wrong... I didn't play it that much, but that is because of the conclusion i an gonna make. The game feels wrong, it is not something new, it is just (conclusion incoming) a pure copy of WC3 with here and there some changes (the campaigns changed a lot and that was something i really liked, the new mode(s) , meh) but furthermore, no changes. It annoys me how EasyTech doesn't listen to us, ok our Allies dont mess up the map anymore, and a stupid diplomacy system in a way no one wants it. We asked for more countries, and seeing the 1950 conquest just dissapoints me. They added all south american countries wich are unplayable, but they can't add Vietnam, they cant even add historical accurate colonies! Indonesia still under British control while it was Dutch, in 1950 all colonies are the same, instead of independent.
I feel really dissapointed about this game, they didnt have to do ANYTHING for the conquest other then copying the WC3 ones, and they tried to make the 1980 conquest look cool with the "terrorists" wich are basically the same as Aliens. I won't support EasyTech with this game, as i see it as a quick moneygrab, but you guys can feel free about what you want to do.
Review is a bit weird since i am on my phone, so typing is a bit harder.
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Post by Mountbatten on Nov 17, 2017 1:06:05 GMT
I was one of the biggest supporters of this type of review until I played the game. After investing some time into it, I can say that it's a lot different than WC3. Easytech has made strides to make the game better by including Domination mode and putting a lot of effort into the campaigns. The hard modes are almost entirely new missions. They removed a lot of generals sure, but I for one can sacrifice the ability to play a one star country with 2 cities at the max along with some South American countries. The terrorists are copies of the aliens because the aliens were a working formula in WC3. They added an end game challenge to test the best of the best.
Part of the reason why they might not listen to us is because they are a Chinese company with a Chinese forum that is massively larger than ours. They also have the Russian forum. However, they did add a diplomacy system and even though none of us use it we can still count it as a progressive step in the right direction. The upcoming game will probably be GoG3 and then we will see if they truly learn from their past mistakes.
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Post by lopicko on Nov 17, 2017 5:08:38 GMT
OK, first of all, dont get me wrong, the game is good, good no flaws , maybe even awesome, but thats all because of something i am going to (try) to tell in my review. Also, you dont have to share my opinion, if you completly disagree with everything i said, wich without a doubt is going to happen, keep it for yourself. The game is, wrong... I didn't play it that much, but that is because of the conclusion i an gonna make. The game feels wrong, it is not something new, it is just (conclusion incoming) a pure copy of WC3 with here and there some changes (the campaigns changed a lot and that was something i really liked, the new mode(s) , meh) but furthermore, no changes. It annoys me how EasyTech doesn't listen to us, ok our Allies dont mess up the map anymore, and a stupid diplomacy system in a way no one wants it. We asked for more countries, and seeing the 1950 conquest just dissapoints me. They added all south american countries wich are unplayable, but they can't add Vietnam, they cant even add historical accurate colonies! Indonesia still under British control while it was Dutch, in 1950 all colonies are the same, instead of independent. I feel really dissapointed about this game, they didnt have to do ANYTHING for the conquest other then copying the WC3 ones, and they tried to make the 1980 conquest look cool with the "terrorists" wich are basically the same as Aliens. I won't support EasyTech with this game, as i see it as a quick moneygrab, but you guys can feel free about what you want to do. Review is a bit weird since i am on my phone, so typing is a bit harder. I don't blame you. Their tutorial missions is completely similar to wc3. Maybe if u played abit further it will change your impression of the game. I would say it is more than a combination of wc3 and ew5. While including elements of both game it has its own identity as it requires some grinding of conquest if you do not wish to purchase any generals. Conquest is Super hard early game and do not have any tutorials on what you need to do. Luckily EFC got you covered on this Complete axis Mission 3 and ally Mission 3. Maybe that will set you up to feel the game for yourself.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 17, 2017 6:57:03 GMT
It's been like 2 months, maybe 3, since the trailer first came out and we were all excited like "OMG, new generals!", "OMG, there's a tech tree!". Well, I sorta feel cheated a little bit now, because WC2 and 3 had a huge difference, EW3, 4 and 5 all had a huge difference. And even GOG 1 and ACE had a huge difference. But I do not feel such difference this time. Compared to -6 months ET usually works on a game, they spent almost a year, and NetherFreek and others, including me have wished for a HUGE game. But, in reality, it's only some bad generals out of the game, generals discounts, some bordergore gone, only that. No huge difference, and some changes were not for the good, but worsened the game. In the Random Area and other threads, I always mentioned "No freshness that WC3 and EW4 gave me", and this stands. No big things changed. At least in EW5(which we all criticized), ET tried something new. Maybe the reason they are not trying something new is because we hated EW5, and GOG ACE. If that is the case, then part of it is our fault, I guess. Anyways, back into topic, I like the game. I really do, but there's just nothing new. Just some annoying features fixed(like border things), that's all. I gotta say, I am quite dissapointed with Easytech. And the diplomacy, that we all waited for. It's almost nothing. The only feature it provided me was throwing away my cash. And declaring war? Pfft. Just an another useless feature. And Mountbatten, I must disagree with you. Domination was a feature from EW5(which you hated) and 3KC(which you loved). I do not see anything new, just a mash-up with EW5 and WC4. I really hope they take a risk with GOG3, even if it's terrible, at least they tried to be innovated, whileas in WC4, they didn't.
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Post by andrei on Nov 17, 2017 8:06:53 GMT
WC4 is a further development of WC3. Better version imo. So in case You like WC3 I don't understand what are the claims to WC4. It is better in every component. I would just make it a bit more challenging like EW5. Even though EW5 conquests are boring I like EW5 because You need a synergy of Your generals to complete hardest missions. Empire mode was awesome.
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Post by Red Cat Modding on Nov 18, 2017 12:37:11 GMT
andrei, as i said, i like the game, its good, almost awesome, but the sole reason for that is cause i liked WC3 and this is basically a upgraded WC3.
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Post by USSR ball on Nov 18, 2017 13:35:13 GMT
I can say wc4 is a great game, but i think they will improve it 2 a better game. Like for now, the diplomacy system now just only allowed 2 declare war on neutral countries, who know wc5 we can made allince with them, even the enemy if we do for them some tasks
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Post by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on Nov 18, 2017 13:43:19 GMT
andrei, as i said, i like the game, its good, almost awesome, but the sole reason for that is cause i liked WC3 and this is basically a upgraded WC3. It isn't. If you learn it better, you will realise that IT JUST LOOKS LIKE WC3. In fact it is an entirely differnet game, with its own strategies and mechanics. Basically, I agree with what Mountbatten said.
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Post by Red Cat Modding on Nov 18, 2017 15:23:27 GMT
Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, i know its different, for me it looks TOO much to WC3. Why didnt they add Vietnam, Indonesia, Libya, Luxembourgh, East and West Germany, Laos, Cambodia (i honestly thought cambodia was going to be a country when i saw Phnom Pehn) , the Chinese civil war, why is Spain playable in 1939 and 1943, why does the Soviet Union immediatly attack Germany in 1939?
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Post by Red Cat Modding on Nov 18, 2017 15:24:01 GMT
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Post by liamcog on Nov 18, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
I kinda agree. After playing i enjoyed it more than i thought. Mabye even more so because i was sick to death of wc3. I know what you meen the conquests are very disappointing
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Post by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on Nov 18, 2017 15:56:22 GMT
Red Cat Modding, Easytech games aren't known for their historical accuracy. But WC4 is much more accurate than WC3. Plus, complaining about historical accuracy isn't an argument. Actually, it adds more to my point, because it is about the LOOK of the game, not the actual game.
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Post by Red Cat Modding on Nov 18, 2017 16:33:22 GMT
Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, It is a argument. I enjoy playing the Axis and Allies mod (wich is in a certain degree much more historical accurate then WC3 vanilla) more then the vanilla, because of the simple fact it is historical accurate. And indeed, the look of the game is MUCH better, but that was not where i was complaining about
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Post by andrei on Nov 18, 2017 16:56:06 GMT
I am pretty sure it is because of the balance issue. ET is game developer not a historical institution. France and Britain without their asian territories wouldn't be great powers. In this case there would be just few great powers which is not good for the balance. Giving additional units to them wouldn't solve the problem, as financial power is also very important for the game balance.
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Post by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on Nov 18, 2017 17:46:27 GMT
Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb , It is a argument. I enjoy playing the Axis and Allies mod (wich is in a certain degree much more historical accurate then WC3 vanilla) more then the vanilla, because of the simple fact it is historical accurate. And indeed, the look of the game is MUCH better, but that was not where i was complaining about It is indeed an argumant but against ET in general and not WC4 or WC3.
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