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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 2, 2018 15:06:59 GMT
Maybe I don't understand something but I have no clue at all why we discuss such generals as Morillo. He might be not bad (when fully upgraded) or, on the contrary, he might be worthless, but that is not a problem as I see it. It was proven that it is possible to complete the game without an Admiral at all, and if we really need one it should be one of the best at least, or even the best one (who is, of course, Nelson). Why to bother to hire a mediocre Admiral when we need our scarce resources elsewhere? To replace him later with another Admiral, who in his own turn is not indispensable for completing the game? True, true. But Nelson costs 2300 medals. Morillo costs 820. 820 medals is really not that much, so you can get away with using Morillo for a while. But Nelson starts off pretty weak without any upgrades, so you will have to spend around 4000 medals, counting his price to get him to be good. Morillo starts off with Level 3 line of battle, so you can use him for while. Its easier to spend 820 medals and have an admiral, then to beat the game without one. It also makes conquest much easier. And I don’t think he is mediocre. He is pretty good at the start honestly, if you upgrade his health a bit and stick a healing item on him. You can use him for a very long time if you wanted. In fact you can use him instead of purchasing Nelson, and instead use those medals on someone crucial like Murat or Karl. You could use him till end game if you really wanted to. Its just that a naval general can be quite handy in conquest. I know because I immadietely purchased a naval general, right after Kutuzov who was the first general I bought (excluding the iaps). Really Morillo is a cheap option. Sure you can go without him, but he is still a fun one to use. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 2, 2018 15:08:54 GMT
This guy is secretely the third or the fourth best navy general in the game.
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Post by stoic on Aug 2, 2018 15:24:25 GMT
There is one more thing I don't understand... I suppose we all agree that Nelson is the best Admiral in the game. Treville has the same skills as Nelson with Helmsman as one exception. And when people say that Morillo is better than Treville - does this mean that "Helmsman" is the best skill in the game? Because an Admiral with this skill is the best Admiral in the game, and an Admiral with same skills but without "Helmsman" is worse than Morillo  ? |
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Post by andrei on Aug 2, 2018 15:50:32 GMT
This guy is secretely the third or the fourth best navy general in the game. Have You ever used him to say it? As I showed You earlier he is absolutely same powerful as Falsen. Their stats are equal and Falsen also have Line of the ship. And being weak gen Tactic Master is a trap, not an advantage. If Morillo is 3rd or 4th best navy. I assume he is sharing this position with Falsen, am I right? Seriously let's be objective. Stats is important, decisive part of the admirals evaluation, as most of them have more or less same skills. And Morillo has incredibly low stats to be even considered. Why the hell to pay for him if You have same admiral for free? |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 2, 2018 15:54:45 GMT
There is one more thing I don't understand... I suppose we all agree that Nelson is the best Admiral in the game. Treville has the same skills as Nelson with Helmsman as one exception. And when people say that Morillo is better than Treville - does this mean that "Helmsman" is the best skill in the game? Because an Admiral with this skill is the best Admiral in the game, and an Admiral with same skills but without "Helmsman" is worse than Morillo ? People say that because Morillo starts off stronger, due to his lvl 3 line of battle, compared to Treville’s lvl 1. Plus Morillo is much cheaper. Helmsman is a good skill, but it’s not enough to justify buying Nelson over Treville. I think people say that Morillo is the best, as he is best price performer when compared to Treville. However, Treville does have the crit skill, which is nothing to be overlooked, in additional to a defensive buff. But I personally feel as those two aren’t worth the additional 500 medals on Morillo. The most important skill for navy is hands down tactics master. If you are just buying a navy general for campaign, I recommend not getting one then, as navy generals are most useful in conquest. Also, Treville is also a temporary placeholder for Nelson as you will most likely make the trade off eventually. Isn’t it better to have a placeholder general that costs less? The situation Morillo and Treville have is actually very similar to the situation with Greene and Paget |
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Post by coronel on Aug 2, 2018 16:18:14 GMT
This guy is secretely the third or the fourth best navy general in the game. Have You ever used him to say it? As I showed You earlier he is absolutely same powerful as Falsen. Their stats are equal and Falsen also have Line of the ship. And being weak gen Tactic Master is a trap, not an advantage. If Morillo is 3rd or 4th best navy. I assume he is sharing this position with Falsen, am I right? Seriously let's be objective. Stats is important, decisive part of the admirals evaluation, as most of them have more or less same skills. And Morillo has incredibly low stats to be even considered. Why the hell to pay for him if You have same admiral for free? excuse me but I do have a morillo and in my personal opinion it has served me well its damage is really good |
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Post by andrei on Aug 2, 2018 16:22:38 GMT
Have You ever used him to say it? As I showed You earlier he is absolutely same powerful as Falsen. Their stats are equal and Falsen also have Line of the ship. And being weak gen Tactic Master is a trap, not an advantage. If Morillo is 3rd or 4th best navy. I assume he is sharing this position with Falsen, am I right? Seriously let's be objective. Stats is important, decisive part of the admirals evaluation, as most of them have more or less same skills. And Morillo has incredibly low stats to be even considered. Why the hell to pay for him if You have same admiral for free? excuse me but I do have a morillo and in my personal opinion it has served me well its damage is really good I have 2 questions to You: 1) Have You compared him to any other admiral? 2) Why have You decided that investing 820 medals into Morillo is better than upgrading Falsen's Line of the Ship skill to lv3? Instead of thousands of words:   |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 2, 2018 16:30:25 GMT
excuse me but I do have a morillo and in my personal opinion it has served me well its damage is really good I have 2 questions to You: 1) Have You compared him to any other admiral? 2) Why have You decided that investing 820 medals into Morillo is better than upgrading Falsen's Line of the Ship skill to lv3? Instead of thousands of words: Falsen don’t got tactics master |
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Post by stoic on Aug 2, 2018 16:35:47 GMT
There is one more thing I don't understand... I suppose we all agree that Nelson is the best Admiral in the game. Treville has the same skills as Nelson with Helmsman as one exception. And when people say that Morillo is better than Treville - does this mean that "Helmsman" is the best skill in the game? Because an Admiral with this skill is the best Admiral in the game, and an Admiral with same skills but without "Helmsman" is worse than Morillo ? People say that because Morillo starts off stronger, due to his lvl 3 line of battle, compared to Treville’s lvl 1. Plus Morillo is much cheaper. Helmsman is a good skill, but it’s not enough to justify buying Nelson over Treville. I think people say that Morillo is the best, as he is best price performer when compared to Treville. However, Treville does have the crit skill, which is nothing to be overlooked, in additional to a defensive buff. But I personally feel as those two aren’t worth the additional 500 medals on Morillo. The most important skill for navy is hands down tactics master. If you are just buying a navy general for campaign, I recommend not getting one then, as navy generals are most useful in conquest. Also, Treville is also a temporary placeholder for Nelson as you will most likely make the trade off eventually. Isn’t it better to have a placeholder general that costs less? The situation Morillo and Treville have is actually very similar to the situation with Greene and Paget I don't know... Conquests are not the most difficult part of the game. And I doubt that buying a navy general for conquests is an excellent idea. I'm playing since the game was released and I still don't have a single fully upgraded general. So I definitely wouldn't spend my medals in such way... But I usually don't say what people should do with their own medals |
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Post by andrei on Aug 2, 2018 16:39:59 GMT
Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus , You are seriously trying to convience us that Tactic Master makes him much stronger? No way. This skill has nothing to do with damage. It is trigger skill for second attack. Moreover it is not only trigger but also a situational skill, which means there must be target in Your range for a second attack. Moreover, it is bad skill for weak gen. And he is weak, I hope noone insists on Falsen being strong. And Morillo is not a penny stronger - check my screenshots Summary: Tactic Master doesn't increase damage. Situational. Trigger. Is not suitable in Morillo's case for attacking ships as it leads to more damage recieved than inflicted. Tactic Master is the worst skill for weak gen. Counterattack is much better than Tactic Master for weak Admiral. So the only usability for Tactic Master is when used against defenseless land units. Only because of that rare situation? Come on
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Post by stoic on Aug 2, 2018 16:40:55 GMT
I have 2 questions to You: 1) Have You compared him to any other admiral? 2) Why have You decided that investing 820 medals into Morillo is better than upgrading Falsen's Line of the Ship skill to lv3? Instead of thousands of words: Falsen don’t got tactics master Tactics master level 1 I would add... We have to upgrade this skill to make Morillo better in this respect than Falsen. Chances to trigger are very low without upgrades... |
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Post by coronel on Aug 2, 2018 16:44:07 GMT
Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus , You are seriously trying to convience us that Tactic Master makes him much stronger? No way. This skill has nothing to do with damage. It is trigger skill for second attack. Moreover it is not only trigger but also a situational skill, which means there must be target in Your range for a second attack. Moreover, it is bad skill for weak gen. And he is weak, I hope noone insists on Falsen being strong. And Morillo is not a penny stronger - check my screenshots Summary: Tactic Master doesn't increase damage. Situational. Trigger. Is not suitable in Morillo's case for attacking ships at it leads to more damage recieved than inflicted. Tactic Master is the worst skill for weak gen. Counterattack is much better than Tactic Master for weak Admiral. So the only usability for Tactic Master is when used against defenseless land units. Only because of that rare situation? Come on 1. if you buy it only at 2. buy it for later sell it by nelson |
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Post by coronel on Aug 2, 2018 16:47:06 GMT
apart I have used it in the conquest to false morillo and treville (france) and morillo can do even more damage
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 2, 2018 16:54:21 GMT
I see that we really can’t agree. I personally also thought he sucked at first until I really thought about it.
He isn’t a bad navy general by any stretch. You guys just dislike him because you feel as though a navy general really isn’t necessary. He is no nelson but for 820 medals, he might as well be.
But I agree with you guys, as a navy general really isn’t necessary. I still feel as though he offers a lot for his low price. But he is more useful in conquests than he is in campaigns with naval battles.
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Post by andrei on Aug 2, 2018 16:59:18 GMT
I see that we really can’t agree. I personally also thought he sucked at first until I really thought about it. He isn’t a bad navy general by any stretch. You guys just dislike him because you feel as though a navy general really isn’t necessary. He is no nelson but for 820 medals, he might as well be. But I agree with you guys, as a navy general really isn’t necessary. I still feel as though he offers a lot for his low price. But he is more useful in conquests than he is in campaigns with naval battles. I have both Nelson and Falsen (who is totally equal to Morillo). Is like god and peasant to compare. Falsen can't fight against enemy ships. Nothing to discuss imo. Its dislike because of bad performance not because of any other reason. |
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