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Post by stoic on May 16, 2019 16:41:14 GMT
dsongop , we are not saying it is not possible. I am pretty sure 28 turns from Chinese player is not the best result (moreover: look all those Cavalry gens are Marshals). The question is what is the strategy. Particularly in 1806 cojoncio use 2 arty gens for crushing quite strong southern flank of Russian Empire. We all know arty is not the best unit to kill enemy units. It is great for crushing cities. But not killing those Russian hoard. And we see that Ottomans performed awful. Player had to conquer Crimea on his own. That raises questions how exactly that was done. There are also questions regarding full health French gens near Saint Petersburg. Just like player killed all the Russian strong gens before French even get to them. That are the questions for the provided screens. And that is only screens for the last turn, not for the progress. If we have explanation of the strategy the questions will probably be removed. I agree with almost everything but "Russian horde" - it was insulting, you know  |
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Post by Seger on May 16, 2019 17:20:42 GMT
Hi all. I haven't been very actively lately with the intent to focus on school, but of course i was hooked by WC4:D . I barely had time to break any records, so my congratulations cojoncio for improving these ancient records from stoic and andrei . However, I also have a few concerns. 1. Even if you count off their aura skills, generals such as Blucher, Napoleon, and Nelson still hit harder than some of your generals. (I understand if you refrain from IAPs, but it at least seems logical to get Nelson) 2. You also said you haven't upgraded most your generals, and your tech tree is almost maxed. At least for me, I'd prefer insane generals with decent tech than decent generals with advanced tech. (This could be a controversial statement so I'd need stoic 's wisdom on this one) 3. I came across this post on a Chinese forum, where the player completed the conquest in 28 turns with mostly cavalry generals (my approach). The thread was created almost a year ago, so I'm not sure if there were updates that could've affected the outcome or anything. Nonetheless, I think this brings a new dimension to our discussion on records, because if we dig deeper, I'm sure we can find perhaps more records by the Chinese speedrunners.   In ET conquests we always had something like "China against the rest of the World" We have several players here who are from China or speak Chinese, so they inform us from time to time about successes of Chinese players. But, unfortunately, this connection is not very tight. We can ask Erich von Manstein to tell us about the best results. You are absolutely right about skills of generals in ET games. Upgraded skills of generals are the most important aspect of EW6 as well. And the best skills in this game undisputed are aura skills, which can double or even triple the potential of your whole army. On the screenshot of the Chinese player demonstrated above I see the logic. But I really struggle to see it in statements that unupgraded Sophia and Co. can do wonders. We all have privilege to see Scharnhorst in 1812 conquest. Is he really so impressive without support of Artillery experts? I don't think so. And yet we have these astonishing results. So, either cojoncio is a genius or something is wrong here . why is the connection with china so thin? is it the language blockade? or is it because china has a separate internet? |
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Post by stoic on May 16, 2019 17:26:17 GMT
In ET conquests we always had something like "China against the rest of the World" We have several players here who are from China or speak Chinese, so they inform us from time to time about successes of Chinese players. But, unfortunately, this connection is not very tight. We can ask Erich von Manstein to tell us about the best results. You are absolutely right about skills of generals in ET games. Upgraded skills of generals are the most important aspect of EW6 as well. And the best skills in this game undisputed are aura skills, which can double or even triple the potential of your whole army. On the screenshot of the Chinese player demonstrated above I see the logic. But I really struggle to see it in statements that unupgraded Sophia and Co. can do wonders. We all have privilege to see Scharnhorst in 1812 conquest. Is he really so impressive without support of Artillery experts? I don't think so. And yet we have these astonishing results. So, either cojoncio is a genius or something is wrong here . why is the connection with china so thin? is it the language blockade? or is it because china has a separate internet? Difficult to say... Maybe both assumptions are right. |
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Post by Seger on May 16, 2019 18:48:33 GMT
East Front (Russia)
my question is why did jourdan go to st.petersburg and did he not take the purple route? this is not a criticism i don't think there are mods that do this.
red: jourdan
blue: massena
purple: logical route
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Post by cojoncio on May 16, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
I am extremely pleased guys, nothing feeds me that your thoughts of me being cheating!! Thanks!
I see that you are interested in UK33...I will make a detailed walk through with pictures, but takes time. I usually restart the run when I dont like what I see, so for each finished run there might be 20 aborted runs.
One key in my strategy is read carefully what other have written here in this forum. Actually I believe it was deleted the one who got the idea of using UK, and I just followed that his idea.
My other strategy is not be a mainstream and follow all recommendations. If you do what all others do, statistically you cannot expect to beat them unless by serendipity. This is way I only use 4 aura generals (Karl, Massena, Murat and Saku) instead of 8.
This is my general line up. You will find that there is still great way for improvement. With these guys fully maxed and IAPs I would be able to reduce (I would say/approximate/guesstimate) 5% the number of turns. I want to point out that with some of my earlier records these guys were even less powerful than now.
      
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2019 2:39:06 GMT
I am extremely pleased guys, nothing feeds me that your thoughts of me being cheating!! Thanks!
I see that you are interested in UK33...I will make a detailed walk through with pictures, but takes time. I usually restart the run when I dont like what I see, so for each finished run there might be 20 aborted runs.
One key in my strategy is read carefully what other have written here in this forum. Actually I believe it was deleted the one who got the idea of using UK, and I just followed that his idea.
My other strategy is not be a mainstream and follow all recommendations. If you do what all others do, statistically you cannot expect to beat them unless by serendipity. This is way I only use 4 aura generals (Karl, Massena, Murat and Saku) instead of 8.
This is my general line up. You will find that there is still great way for improvement. With these guys fully maxed and IAPs I would be able to reduce (I would say/approximate/guesstimate) 5% the number of turns. I want to point out that with some of my earlier records these guys were even less No-one said that you are cheating yet  We have questions (unfortunately still without answers). You say you did it in your own unique way. So the only thing we ask is to explain this unique way and illustrate it with pictures. I think it could be interesting for many players. I had some simple questions, andrei had some simple questions - it would be nice if you will find time to answer. Actually your team is even more weaker than I thought (you wrote about Scharnhorst in another thread "Definitively this guy is a beast on rockets. I like him very much, and his plain fighting is great", but I hardly believe your own Scharnhorst can survive the first encounter and Plain fighting lvl 2 is not impressive at all). Therefore a detailed explanation of your unique way is very interesting indeed. I understand that you need time to upload some pictures, but my guess it would be much easier to answer andrei's questions first. |
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Post by dsongop on May 17, 2019 3:09:46 GMT
cojoncio, I'm surprised to see your generals not having the max ranks, because you only need gold to upgrade their defense and BA. If you earned that much gold for maxing out your tech, then it wouldn't be a stretch to farm Netherlands a couple more times to upgrade your generals, right? Just a suggestion 
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Post by andrei on May 17, 2019 4:34:14 GMT
cojoncio , These are quite reasonable questions. Try to understand us. It is not something against You particularly. We just all play same game and 1806 Saxony conquest as well. Just Your strategy clarification is necessary nothing else. As it is not what we normally use for sure. You own both critical ways of attack in this conquest: Austria and Prissia. And with Saxony resources in the beginning of the conquest that is quite strange, as You normally can't get to Wien and hold it if You focus on Prussian front. And in Your conquest You definetely steamrolled Russian forces on the Prussian front even before French were able to support You. Same with southern flank.. 2 arty mopped all the enemies as we see awfully performing Ottomans with full health gens. So don't You think the questions are quite simple? Full health allies + low forces used for the Russian front. I think it is definetely interesting for everyone.
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2019 6:16:45 GMT
cojoncio , These are quite reasonable questions. Try to understand us. It is not something against You particularly. We just all play same game and 1806 Saxony conquest as well. Just Your strategy clarification is necessary nothing else. As it is not what we normally use for sure. You own both critical ways of attack in this conquest: Austria and Prissia. And with Saxony resources in the beginning of the conquest that is quite strange, as You normally can't get to Wien and hold it if You focus on Prussian front. And in Your conquest You definetely steamrolled Russian forces on the Prussian front even before French were able to support You. Same with southern flank.. 2 arty mopped all the enemies as we see awfully performing Ottomans with full health gens. So don't You think the questions are quite simple? Full health allies + low forces used for the Russian front. I think it is definetely interesting for everyone. Besides, your questions about Northern Russia are relevant as well. We don't see a single factory there, lvl 3 cities don't produce grenadiers and untimely death of Massena didn't help either. I am very curious who did the job and when... |
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Post by Seger on May 17, 2019 6:51:42 GMT
cojoncio , These are quite reasonable questions. Try to understand us. It is not something against You particularly. We just all play same game and 1806 Saxony conquest as well. Just Your strategy clarification is necessary nothing else. As it is not what we normally use for sure. You own both critical ways of attack in this conquest: Austria and Prissia. And with Saxony resources in the beginning of the conquest that is quite strange, as You normally can't get to Wien and hold it if You focus on Prussian front. And in Your conquest You definetely steamrolled Russian forces on the Prussian front even before French were able to support You. Same with southern flank.. 2 arty mopped all the enemies as we see awfully performing Ottomans with full health gens. So don't You think the questions are quite simple? Full health allies + low forces used for the Russian front. I think it is definetely interesting for everyone. Besides, your questions about Northern Russia are relevant as well. We don't see a single factory there, lvl 3 cities don't produce grenadiers and untimely death of Massena didn't help either. I am very curious who did the job and when... there are factories in minsk and the eastern prussian city, beside that he coud have used blast |
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Post by andrei on May 17, 2019 6:58:31 GMT
Besides, your questions about Northern Russia are relevant as well. We don't see a single factory there, lvl 3 cities don't produce grenadiers and untimely death of Massena didn't help either. I am very curious who did the job and when... there are factories in minsk and the eastern prussian city, beside that he coud have used blast You mean Minsk which is part of Russian Empire? I live in Minsk btw P.S.: Blast has range and can be used once per turn per city |
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Post by Seger on May 17, 2019 7:04:46 GMT
I know but with low lv cities you don't need many you can attack two or three per turn and after three/two turns you can try to attack them. And yes the factory is part of russia and now i think again it's pretty far from Saxony but he coud have used the one in prussia
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2019 7:41:30 GMT
I know but with low lv cities you don't need many you can attack two or three per turn and after three/two turns you can try to attack them. And yes the factory is part of russia and now i think again it's pretty far from Saxony but he coud have used the one in prussia It is not an optimal way, I think. Usually you capture one of the provinces in the neiberhood, build a factory there and your Artillery units do the job. It is possible, of course, to hire them in Saxony or elsewhere, but it is not an easy task to move them undamaged to Russian cities in the north and, besides, they eat your population limit mercilessly. And playing as Saxony means you really should try to stay within this limit, because you need a significant number of troops in Britain (to prevent counterattacks). So andrei has the right question - how it was possible to defeat Prussia (with support of Russian expeditionary force lead by Alexander) and annihilate Austria and Russian forces in the south AT THE SAME TIME. In this situation it is highly unlikely to build Artillery units in Saxony (or Prussia) and move them all around the globe to the North through obstacles and opposition. Militarily tactics blast only a percentage of defense (not a certain number of HPs), it is not an easy task therefore to take small cities with the help of such blasts. Moreover you need your cards to blast such strongholds like Moscow. |
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Post by Saltin on May 17, 2019 8:57:02 GMT
Hey guys hello, I just wanted to add a quick comment for cojoncio and any other members wanting to join this fun convo: Game records are highly esteemed in our community of so many good players. We love to see and hear about new ways of doing these conquests faster and better and we in EFC very much appreciate players sharing their tactics with other members. Having said that keep in mind that any claim will (almost) always be challenged or asked to be proven/shown in more details, for example via screeshots. This is a normal and sort of a peer review type process to make sure the play is validated and that there is no misunderstanding or questions about its authenticity. Please do not take any of these questions or challenges personally, on the contrary expect them and feel that this is simply your chance to demonstrate excellence and gaming skills to the rest of us! |
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Post by Iron Duke on May 17, 2019 12:57:10 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels?
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