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Post by Navia Lanoira on May 17, 2019 13:20:34 GMT
Ok, i am going late for this records. My generals isnt too strong enough to challenge this lol. Anyways congratulations bro cojoncio for doing that. I will try to beat ur records in the near future xD. |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on May 17, 2019 13:43:17 GMT
Ok, i am going late for this records. My generals isnt too strong enough to challenge this lol. Anyways congratulations bro cojoncio for doing that. I will try to beat ur records in the near future xD. Ok, cojoncio beat the records by not fully upgraded techs and gens, so i will do my best grind to max all my tech (lol) and try to beat u =) i recently have murat now and i am stucked with the last mission in the birth of empire because napoleon didnt get neutral. Anyways i will do what i said beat ur records. p.s. play congratulations by pewds its awesome |
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Post by Seger on May 17, 2019 13:53:17 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels? Indeed making their units/generals better or just photoshopping the end you woud think you woud easily see that but you never know |
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Post by stoic on May 17, 2019 18:49:03 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels? I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis  and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net |
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Post by Iron Duke on May 17, 2019 20:11:08 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels? Indeed making their units/generals better or just photoshopping the end you woud think you woud easily see that but you never know Thanks, I hadn't even considered photoshopping but it is amazing what some people can do with it. |
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Post by Iron Duke on May 17, 2019 20:50:13 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels? I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net My original question was just trying to understand how somebody could cheat at this, but you raise an interesting point as to why anybody would bother when there are no material gains to be had. I'm no head-shrinker either, but fwiw my gut would say that you've hit the nail on the head with the motivation being the fooling of the other participants. There are many examples of socio/psychopathic (I can never remember the difference) serial killers who get as much if not more satisfaction from living a double life as seemingly respected, normal members of the community whilst also committing horrendous acts as they do from their actual crimes. They're narcissists who get off on proving how much smarter they are than everyone else. That is of course the extreme end of the scale, but you get the point I'm sure. The only other possibilities I can think of atm could be low self esteem so they do it for the praise and kudos received for being perceived as the best in order to feel better about themselves, or I suppose there could be a motivation due to personal malice towards the other competitors for whatever reason, but I think the narcissistic one is the most likely. It's a long time since I read or watched anything on the subject so take the above theorising with an appropriate amount of salt Just to be clear I'm not accusing any posters in this thread of anything at all, merely enjoying the intellectual exercise of exploring the philosophical question that was raised and I hope it's not considered a serious derailment. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on May 17, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
Hi all. I haven't been very actively lately with the intent to focus on school, but of course i was hooked by WC4:D . I barely had time to break any records, so my congratulations cojoncio for improving these ancient records from stoic and andrei . However, I also have a few concerns. 1. Even if you count off their aura skills, generals such as Blucher, Napoleon, and Nelson still hit harder than some of your generals. (I understand if you refrain from IAPs, but it at least seems logical to get Nelson) 2. You also said you haven't upgraded most your generals, and your tech tree is almost maxed. At least for me, I'd prefer insane generals with decent tech than decent generals with advanced tech. (This could be a controversial statement so I'd need stoic 's wisdom on this one) 3. I came across this post on a Chinese forum, where the player completed the conquest in 28 turns with mostly cavalry generals (my approach). The thread was created almost a year ago, so I'm not sure if there were updates that could've affected the outcome or anything. Nonetheless, I think this brings a new dimension to our discussion on records, because if we dig deeper, I'm sure we can find perhaps more records by the Chinese speedrunners.   In ET conquests we always had something like "China against the rest of the World"  We have several players here who are from China or speak Chinese, so they inform us from time to time about successes of Chinese players. But, unfortunately, this connection is not very tight. We can ask Erich von Manstein to tell us about the best results. You are absolutely right about skills of generals in ET games. Upgraded skills of generals are the most important aspect of EW6 as well. And the best skills in this game undisputed are aura skills, which can double or even triple the potential of your whole army. On the screenshot of the Chinese player demonstrated above I see the logic. But I really struggle to see it in statements that unupgraded Sophia and Co. can do wonders. We all have privilege to see Scharnhorst in 1812 conquest. Is he really so impressive without support of Artillery experts? I don't think so. And yet we have these astonishing results. So, either cojoncio is a genius or something is wrong here . I forgot, but at least aim for E (or is it F?) instead of S. |
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Post by silvercreek on May 17, 2019 22:00:33 GMT
If one of you cool kids wouldn't mind confirming/explaining for me here, just so I understand, the concern is that some people can modify the game(s) by re-writing code or something so that they have super generals or whatever thereby giving them an unfair advantage when trying to claim the laurels? I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net On the many decripences already mentioned,why on turn 30 he had not defeated Russia,when that was the his last turn? Clearly he has not captured Saratov or the city in the ne corner either. |
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Post by silvercreek on May 18, 2019 1:31:15 GMT
I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net My original question was just trying to understand how somebody could cheat at this, but you raise an interesting point as to why anybody would bother when there are no material gains to be had. I'm no head-shrinker either, but fwiw my gut would say that you've hit the nail on the head with the motivation being the fooling of the other participants. There are many examples of socio/psychopathic (I can never remember the difference) serial killers who get as much if not more satisfaction from living a double life as seemingly respected, normal members of the community whilst also committing horrendous acts as they do from their actual crimes. They're narcissists who get off on proving how much smarter they are than everyone else. That is of course the extreme end of the scale, but you get the point I'm sure. The only other possibilities I can think of atm could be low self esteem so they do it for the praise and kudos received for being perceived as the best in order to feel better about themselves, or I suppose there could be a motivation due to personal malice towards the other competitors for whatever reason, but I think the narcissistic one is the most likely. It's a long time since I read or watched anything on the subject so take the above theorising with an appropriate amount of salt Just to be clear I'm not accusing any posters in this thread of anything at all, merely enjoying the intellectual exercise of exploring the philosophical question that was raised and I hope it's not considered a serious derailment. We all know,these games,and will be hacked,it will happen and does over time. It comes down to a weak personality disorder really. If you need to hack a game,just prove to a few that you are better,then you should find better things to do,or seek help. I am thinking end victory screenshot was photoshopped also.such a pathetic waste of time. |
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Post by silvercreek on May 18, 2019 1:34:36 GMT
My original question was just trying to understand how somebody could cheat at this, but you raise an interesting point as to why anybody would bother when there are no material gains to be had. I'm no head-shrinker either, but fwiw my gut would say that you've hit the nail on the head with the motivation being the fooling of the other participants. There are many examples of socio/psychopathic (I can never remember the difference) serial killers who get as much if not more satisfaction from living a double life as seemingly respected, normal members of the community whilst also committing horrendous acts as they do from their actual crimes. They're narcissists who get off on proving how much smarter they are than everyone else. That is of course the extreme end of the scale, but you get the point I'm sure. The only other possibilities I can think of atm could be low self esteem so they do it for the praise and kudos received for being perceived as the best in order to feel better about themselves, or I suppose there could be a motivation due to personal malice towards the other competitors for whatever reason, but I think the narcissistic one is the most likely. It's a long time since I read or watched anything on the subject so take the above theorising with an appropriate amount of salt Just to be clear I'm not accusing any posters in this thread of anything at all, merely enjoying the intellectual exercise of exploring the philosophical question that was raised and I hope it's not considered a serious derailment. We all know,these games,,will be hacked,it will happen,and does over time. It comes down to a weak personality disorder really. If you need to hack a game,just prove to a few that you are better,then you should find better things to do,or seek help. I am thinking end victory screenshot was photoshopped also.such a pathetic waste of time. |
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Post by stoic on May 18, 2019 3:21:05 GMT
My original question was just trying to understand how somebody could cheat at this, but you raise an interesting point as to why anybody would bother when there are no material gains to be had. I'm no head-shrinker either, but fwiw my gut would say that you've hit the nail on the head with the motivation being the fooling of the other participants. There are many examples of socio/psychopathic (I can never remember the difference) serial killers who get as much if not more satisfaction from living a double life as seemingly respected, normal members of the community whilst also committing horrendous acts as they do from their actual crimes. They're narcissists who get off on proving how much smarter they are than everyone else. That is of course the extreme end of the scale, but you get the point I'm sure. The only other possibilities I can think of atm could be low self esteem so they do it for the praise and kudos received for being perceived as the best in order to feel better about themselves, or I suppose there could be a motivation due to personal malice towards the other competitors for whatever reason, but I think the narcissistic one is the most likely. It's a long time since I read or watched anything on the subject so take the above theorising with an appropriate amount of salt Just to be clear I'm not accusing any posters in this thread of anything at all, merely enjoying the intellectual exercise of exploring the philosophical question that was raised and I hope it's not considered a serious derailment. We all know,these games,and will be hacked,it will happen and does over time. It comes down to a weak personality disorder really. If you need to hack a game,just prove to a few that you are better,then you should find better things to do,or seek help. I am thinking end victory screenshot was photoshopped also.such a pathetic waste of time. I think we have here two sides of the problem. On one hand, I can assume that some players have problems with difficult games, they just are playing for fun and don't want to put too much effort. Therefore they modify the game or simply download a broken copy of the game. As they do it for their personal use only - at least I can understand motifs behind it. On the other hand, there are attempts to "prove" to others that they are fair players when they are not. These attempts were always strange to me because I don't see any reason in it. What is a reward for such a waste of time? But, maybe, some reasons mentioned by Iron Duke and you are really close to the truth. I want to underline though that we have to wait for cojoncio's explanations (before any conclusions). As I said there is always a chance that player's approach to conquests was really creative. |
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Post by Seger on May 18, 2019 5:13:32 GMT
I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net My original question was just trying to understand how somebody could cheat at this, but you raise an interesting point as to why anybody would bother when there are no material gains to be had. I'm no head-shrinker either, but fwiw my gut would say that you've hit the nail on the head with the motivation being the fooling of the other participants. There are many examples of socio/psychopathic (I can never remember the difference) serial killers who get as much if not more satisfaction from living a double life as seemingly respected, normal members of the community whilst also committing horrendous acts as they do from their actual crimes. They're narcissists who get off on proving how much smarter they are than everyone else. That is of course the extreme end of the scale, but you get the point I'm sure. The only other possibilities I can think of atm could be low self esteem so they do it for the praise and kudos received for being perceived as the best in order to feel better about themselves, or I suppose there could be a motivation due to personal malice towards the other competitors for whatever reason, but I think the narcissistic one is the most likely. It's a long time since I read or watched anything on the subject so take the above theorising with an appropriate amount of salt Just to be clear I'm not accusing any posters in this thread of anything at all, merely enjoying the intellectual exercise of exploring the philosophical question that was raised and I hope it's not considered a serious derailment. why? For that sweet world fastest conqueror rank. |
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Post by Seger on May 18, 2019 5:17:24 GMT
I don't have PhD in psychoanalysis and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net On the many decripences already mentioned,why on turn 30 he had not defeated Russia,when that was the his last turn? Clearly he has not captured Saratov or the city in the ne corner either. moscow coud be taken by the french massena and the other city maybe by the french unit if it is a cavalry or by the ottoman/egyptian force or italian unit. You mean on this picture right? i.ibb.co/jRrRyT3/Screenshot-20190513-123051.png |
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Post by cojoncio on May 18, 2019 6:49:52 GMT
Ok, this time I want to claim a "quasi record". Actual 1806 2-star country record is 29 turns with Denmark, here I got 29 turns with Poland. I made a lot of mistakes and got bad luck in England, so I guess in less than a week I will report a record, something below 29 turns.
Btw dsongop , you are right, but the problem is I ran out of gold medals as I wasted them upgrading the rank of some generals I should have not bought....so I have to pay 100 medals for one single gold medal, hence I have a lot of grinding to do. By the way, i) you are my hero and ii) I will not try records of 1789 as I believe they are unbreakable.
Lets go back to the cake. To follow stoic suggestions, I took some pictures. Lets review them together:
Turn 0: I see the point of Denmark, but Poland is just in the middle of the melee! Seems to me the winning horse! So I selected Poland for this run.
Turn 4:
Prussia was defeated in turn 4. It is very easy, and I summoned Murat, Davout, Massena, Karl, and Sophy. Here we can see this. Important: Defeat Prussia before Russians come to to fuss with you, and before Austria enters in the playground as well. I left Warsovia undefended but with quite a lot of HP, so the stupid AI first move and then hits. It was not taken in next turn.
Turn 12
General overview. At that time I had also Saku, Lan and Scharny (full team). I made some mistakes. You can see here one of them, as Davout and Sakurako got bottle-necked because of the jam at Denmark straits. You can see that Lan was following an alternative way towards England. Spain was doing well, and Italians so so against Sicily. On the other hand, Greece and all that region was a mess and my allies were doing pretty bad. You can see Karl over there in a rifleman, he is my bridge to that region. Anyway, that regions is not a priority, as Otomans+Italians usually takes it well before the deadline. Massena in a rifleman was detached towards the small stupid island near Corunha. Regarding eastern Europe-Russia, I marched with Sophy, the 2 free generals and Murat towards Moscow. Scharny was in charge of my homeland inflicting pain to the bad guys. But all the heavy toll was taken by my allies, particularly France
  
Turn 15:
After the stupid bottle neck, you see Saku escorting Lan and Davout towards England. Spain was doing well, and Italy was still so so. As for the Otomans, I was very unlucky as they lost quite a few cities to Sicilians, and I had to take them on my own. Again, I was in leech mode, so I let my allies broke cities and I had some Karl or riflemans nearby to take the city. You can see that a important Russia party was well behind Otoman front lines, but I did not care so much because as soon as Moscow is taken, those guys were going to struggle against Turks. Moscow was taken in 15, so I split all these 4 generals to take the remaining cities. There is one very important detail. The best runs are when the Italians do their job properly, and the French Murat goes to Greece to support Turks. In these ideal scenarios, I have barely to intervene there, thus saving some resources and population. Here you can see that Murat was heading to Italy, which is not very good....Moreover, Mahmut (Turkish artillery general) was in rockets, meaning that he was only good when supported with some infantry. Here you see that he was relatively alone. Damn the Turks! Hopefully my Karl was very fast (on rifleman) so he took some empty cities and run for south-Russia.
    
Turn 20:
Here I was frustrated and about to restart the run. Basically I landed in Britain, but failed to take that small city and it took 2 turns more than expected. Very frustrating. Lan cracked the city but the second attack did not trigger, neither tactics master from Davout. Then England spawnled a stupid soldier there (dont remember if militia or rifleman) and still both+Saku failed to take that city. Damn. Besides, you can see Massena running for that stupid westernmost island. As for the eastern front, I just kept cracking empty cities. I usually left Leningrad for the allies. You can see that Denmark were about to finish their homework. As for the Otomans, they were doing pretty poorly this time, so I had to take some cities there around.
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Turn 25: I was very frustrated with England. I was already expanding but still blaming Dabout and Lan for that stupid bad luck. That picture could have perfectly been taken 2 turns ago should I have had some luck. Massena was already fighting for the small island I mentioned above. On the other hand, Spain was about to conquer Morocco, and Italy was struggling a bit with Sicily, but was almost done as well. Russia was already defeated
  
Turn 27:
The only remaining enemy was England and stubborn Sicily, but in 1 turn Sicily was going to be finished. You can see that Massena already conquered that small stupid island. Davout and Lan (damn their eyes!) were bound to Ireland, whereas Britain was about to fall. I got rid of most of my valiant soldiers from the east front to make some room for population.
  
Turn 29:
Well, almost done!     
And this is the photo-finish. That valiant Spaniard took the city in turn 29, so at least they did something useful other than taking Morocco
Well, could not break the the record, but at least equaled it and took some pictures of the run. Not so much because I did not have so much faith on this run. With the same strategy and some luck I foresee that 28 or even 27 turns might be feasible.
Till the next post.
Cheers!
Cojoncio
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Post by andrei on May 18, 2019 7:47:27 GMT
As I understood there will be no answers regarding previous "record" |
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and don't understand what is the point, but from time to time we see such things. The reaction of all fair players is unfavourable for one simple reason. It is an attempt to make a fool out of you. And, as far as I know, no-one likes such attempts - neither in RL nor in the net 
We have several players here who are from China or speak Chinese, so they inform us from time to time about successes of Chinese players. But, unfortunately, this connection is not very tight. We can ask 
