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Post by dsongop on May 20, 2019 0:54:40 GMT
On an unrelated note, heres a link with a Chinese player declaring war on everybody with the Ottomans in 1815. Nobunaga Oda, hopefully you'll have time for that  |
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Post by dsongop on May 20, 2019 1:27:39 GMT
Additionally, I'm gonna have to side with andrei on this one. cojoncio, andrei did raise very reasonable questions about Defeating Prussia in 3 turns, and Murat dealing insane damage to Manchester. For this reason, I also have great doubts about the legitimacy of your runs. How about this, if you are so eager to prove yourself to us and demonstrate that you indeed deserve to be recognized, why don't you screen record a full conquest (doesn't have to be record-breaking, UK 1812, Saxony 1806, and Poland 1806 would do), and upload the video here, so we could all see if you're legit. I'm sure stoic, andrei, and I would all welcome you if your video seems perfectly unedited and the damage outputs, population, city income etc. make sense. Lastly, I'd like to remind you, cojoncio, that andrei still is the current record holder for the 1806 conquests before you are proven legit. So I think you should really take his questions seriously and have some respect for him as a player, since he is very, very experienced, and should be considered one of the best players for all ET games. |
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Post by cojoncio on May 20, 2019 1:52:33 GMT
This is one example of what Andrei showed. Screens from turn 33. Then, dsongop, you ask me to do a video? I want to show with this that I have posted more screenshots than the average of people claiming records. Few guys showed their team as well, and I had to show them all. I can do a video, but I want you to realize about the differences in criteria. Ok, I accept it, and I will post for instance for UK1812. But not after beating 3-stars 1806 .
Moreover, with respect to the questions arisen from Murat damage to Manchester, andrei did not take into account Sakurako (and when he realized he lamely deleted his post hahahaha). As for defeating Prussia in 3 turns, I believe is so an easy to check that any of you could test in 5 mins and post here "hey! I did it!" instead of asking. If I post my records, is because I want someone to try to beat them, so I can try to beat the new one again, which is a funny grinding strategy. So far I have got some fun with those angry guys but I am quite disappointed as nobody tried to either reproduce or improve them.
But I respect you, so if you want I can show the first 3 movements in Prussia 1806.
Cojoncio
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Post by stoic on May 20, 2019 4:00:42 GMT
This is one example of what Andrei showed. Screens from turn 33. Then, dsongop , you ask me to do a video? I want to show with this that I have posted more screenshots than the average of people claiming records. Few guys showed their team as well, and I had to show them all. I can do a video, but I want you to realize about the differences in criteria. Ok, I accept it, and I will post for instance for UK1812. But not after beating 3-stars 1806 .
Moreover, with respect to the questions arisen from Murat damage to Manchester, andrei did not take into account Sakurako (and when he realized he lamely deleted his post hahahaha). As for defeating Prussia in 3 turns, I believe is so an easy to check that any of you could test in 5 mins and post here "hey! I did it!" instead of asking. If I post my records, is because I want someone to try to beat them, so I can try to beat the new one again, which is a funny grinding strategy. So far I have got some fun with those angry guys but I am quite disappointed as nobody tried to either reproduce or improve them.
But I respect you, so if you want I can show the first 3 movements in Prussia 1806.
Cojoncio
I can explain the difference in criteria. 1. We actually did a detailed report when we began this competition and/or were ready to explain everything if someone had any type of questions (in fact, our rules say so  ). Moreover, it was really fun to explain details of our strategy because we have found some really creative moves and we enjoyed to share it. But you are silent as an underground activist trying to defend your secrets  2. We know many players for many years. And we know their reputation. andrei 's WC4 videos are already a classic. If you will read old EW4 threads you can find his records there as well. He completed EW 5 before anyone else here (and only a handful of guys completed it at all). With all due respect - you don't have that kind of reputation yet. 3. We accepted some new players as new record holders with less demands because they explained (and demonstrated) their strategy clear enough. And it was a cautious attitude at the beginning all the time. Simply read France in 16 turns thread ( european-war-4.boards.net/thread/10744/france-1798-16-turns ). But those players were able to answer all questions about their records (because they tried many times to break this or that record and can explain everything with their eyes closed). 4. Some of the records are looking suspicious and some are not. Your Saxony 1806 was looking suspicious therefore there were questions. And not because we are suspicious and envious people, and therefore have some nasty questions So don't put a horse behind the cart. 5. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your claim to beat records with 2,5 upgraded generals (while others have no upgrades at all) is really extraordinary. So be prepared to that your records will be under a close examination. I personally really doubt that your Scharnhorst is something more than a cannon fodder in 1812-1815 conquests, but you continue to say that he is a monster on wheels. I would like to see his basic statistics actually - attack, defense and so on. I agree actually with dsongop , a video is a great idea in this particular case. I personally would prefer Britain 1812 (because you say it is pretty straightforward, but I don't think it is, especially with your generals). Saxony 1806 is also a good option. In actual fact, you can kill two birds (even many birds ) with one stone. First - we can see your strategy, second - attack and movement speed of your generals and third - your income at the start and every turn after that. It is an optimal solution, as I see it. |
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Post by andrei on May 20, 2019 4:26:55 GMT
stoic, dsongop thanks. I don't think You need to explain why is it so. Saltin already did it in the thread. But it was ignored as usual. cojoncio, as I said earlier I knew exactly what will happen. As we have "experience" in WC4 thread with one if the players who just claimed record after record instead of explaining or detailing the strategy. So I knew that questions to Poland will "drag" You onto discussion as You are let's call it "better prepared". Guy in WC4 thread did absolutely the same Yeah, I messed Sakurako with Lan in Your Warsaw 1806 as I simply can't and actually didn't want to digg deep as You are not explaining it anyway. I agree, my mistake. However it doesn't make situation more clear with UK and Saxony. What I see now. You still don't answer simple questions, it is easier for You to "reproduce" the record than to spend 20 minutes to explain what is done in UK and Saxony. Like, You know, it is just getting more and more weird. When we started EW6 (not in this thread by the way) we explained who did we Dow and who did we donate at each turn. What are the units hired at what turn and so on. We don't ask it from You now. Just want more detailed explanation like how did You delivered Wellington to Asia Minor in time in UK1812 and saved Spain at the same time. Or with Saxony1806 how on earth did You occupied Austria, Prussia and Crimea using 2 gens in the north and 2 arty in the south. Why allies are full health. Like that. Simple questions, the answers would either give us explanation or raise additional questions. That how is normally work, but... not with Your records, wierd. Screens are just illustration and actuly that was said several times. Explanation is not describing the screen You know. We can see that Azores are taken by Massena at turn xx. Explanation is how and what are the forces used here and there. As You know it is strange when You say: allies were awesome and we see them full health and unable to conquer territories they normally should.
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Post by Seger on May 20, 2019 4:36:20 GMT
andrei , let me use my own words regarding your last post. You first posted an unfunded accusation and then you tried to hide it. Who is the troll?
stoic , indeed, I would be pleased to answer all questions mentioned in previous posts. But before continue with former records, lets wrap up Warsaw 1806: Do you have any questions regarding this record? I don't but there are lots of questions about saxony can you answer them? You can find them on page 20-22 i think. btw i did your challengi it feels possible      |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on May 20, 2019 10:48:11 GMT
Aww, cojoncio got it. I cant beat a record in 1815 |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 11:47:34 GMT
I don't doubt cojoncio 's records, since i was able to replicate pretty much all his records (don't have the screenshots since i lost my previous phone, while the others where replicated using a hack, although the hack was simply medals hack to get generals and try out different combinations that work out the best), but i do understand the concerns of others like stoic, andrei, and dsongop. Just needs more screen shots and explanation to legitimize it in the eyes of others. Regardless, i'm gonna leave this issue to the other members. May fairness prevail. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 11:53:41 GMT
Oh, also do remember that the most ideal setup for speed runs is 6 cavalry gens, 1 art and 1 navy. Substitute the navy for 1 art gen if a navy gen isn't required or you can't afford to wait for naval units. Infantry gens aren't that useful, although there are some scenarios where infantry gens can be useful (in central 1 star countries, which is a few, where you need to have them pretty much as defenders or just to block out some units). Max out heavy art and heavy cavalry, and just spam out lancers and siege artillery. You can even go all cavalry gens, just remember to swap out items to keep all of them alive. That is after trying a lot of set-ups.
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Post by andrei on May 20, 2019 12:11:03 GMT
I don't doubt cojoncio 's records, since i was able to replicate pretty much all his records (don't have the screenshots since i lost my previous phone, while the others where replicated using a hack, although the hack was simply medals hack to get generals and try out different combinations that work out the best), but i do understand the concerns of others like stoic , andrei , and dsongop . Just needs more screen shots and explanation to legitimize it in the eyes of others. Regardless, i'm gonna leave this issue to the other members. May fairness prevail. You mean You recieved same results with gens lvl like cojoncio is using? All those allies full health and chasing his generals in Russia? There is no any doubt that such result (quantity of turns) is doable. The question is: how exactly with such a team and allies? |
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Post by stoic on May 20, 2019 12:26:42 GMT
Oh, also do remember that the most ideal setup for speed runs is 6 cavalry gens, 1 art and 1 navy. Substitute the navy for 1 art gen if a navy gen isn't required or you can't afford to wait for naval units. Infantry gens aren't that useful, although there are some scenarios where infantry gens can be useful (in central 1 star countries, which is a few, where you need to have them pretty much as defenders or just to block out some units). Max out heavy art and heavy cavalry, and just spam out lancers and siege artillery. You can even go all cavalry gens, just remember to swap out items to keep all of them alive. That is after trying a lot of set-ups. is right. It is not about doing it in a certain number of turns. There are few issues. For example, you can see a couple of pages ago cojoncio's team. How realistically would you rate his chances to beat one record after another with such team? Or in particular... How realistically would you rate the chances of his Scharnhorst and Sophia to destroy the whole Southern flank in 1806 conquest as Saxony? Especially taking into account that he said: "I dont swap items in conqest" |
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Post by best75 on May 20, 2019 12:27:52 GMT
Due to the dispute here, I am reframing from updating the records until it is resolved.
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Post by cojoncio on May 21, 2019 0:31:25 GMT
andrei , let me use my own words regarding your last post. You first posted an unfunded accusation and then you tried to hide it. Who is the troll?
stoic , indeed, I would be pleased to answer all questions mentioned in previous posts. But before continue with former records, lets wrap up Warsaw 1806: Do you have any questions regarding this record? I don't but there are lots of questions about saxony can you answer them? You can find them on page 20-22 i think. btw i did your challengi it feels possible Yeah! This is the good philosophy! This forum needs more people like you, Lumen! Thanks for trying!!! I have a couple of tips: Berlin has to be taken in turn 2, to spoil their population limit. In turn one, just put Sophy on that heavy cannon and hit Berlin, and Dabrowski one tile away from Berlin. Get military tactics in Pozmann, and get a blast for turn 2. In turn 2, if there are no enemies nearby Berlin, they will left the city unmanned. The city will be well mauled because of French, so just hit a second time with Sophy, use blast, and conquer with Dabrowski. If you count their population and see what cities they have, you will realize that by taking Berlin and the city above Warsaw in turn 2 and !!not killing the nearby Prussians with Dabrowski!!, they will be with a population excess, then leaving cities unmanned for the next turn. Second tip: Use Murat in the free heavy cavalry, and instead or recruiting Karl, get a second heavy cavalry; use Davout. Third tip: let your Lotz city unmaned. Use Massena with that rifleman and dash for Scharny's city. Once Sophy is done with Berlin, you will use her and Massena (and Karl, but he will produced on turn 2) to conquer that city. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 5:44:26 GMT
I don't doubt cojoncio 's records, since i was able to replicate pretty much all his records (don't have the screenshots since i lost my previous phone, while the others where replicated using a hack, although the hack was simply medals hack to get generals and try out different combinations that work out the best), but i do understand the concerns of others like stoic , andrei , and dsongop . Just needs more screen shots and explanation to legitimize it in the eyes of others. Regardless, i'm gonna leave this issue to the other members. May fairness prevail. You mean You recieved same results with gens lvl like cojoncio is using? All those allies full health and chasing his generals in Russia? There is no any doubt that such result (quantity of turns) is doable. The question is: how exactly with such a team and allies? Not exactly. Was able to replicate the Great Britain and Denmark 1812, although it took some time and it isn't consistent. Also, i did it with max gens and max unit upgrades, so yeah.That's why i'm gonna be on the neutral side for now. |
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Post by Seger on May 21, 2019 5:50:34 GMT
You mean You recieved same results with gens lvl like cojoncio is using? All those allies full health and chasing his generals in Russia? There is no any doubt that such result (quantity of turns) is doable. The question is: how exactly with such a team and allies? Not exactly. Was able to replicate the Great Britain and Denmark 1812, although it took some time and it isn't consistent. Also, i did it with max gens and max unit upgrades, so yeah.That's why i'm gonna be on the neutral side for now. at first i thought he had to cheat but after the example with warsaw i don't know anymore |
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). Moreover, it was really fun to explain details of our strategy because we have found some really creative moves and we enjoyed to share it. But you are silent as an underground activist trying to defend your secrets 
