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Post by journeykeen on Jan 22, 2024 1:49:01 GMT
Was that the second update? I thought it was a glitch. Regardless, Germany is now far too weak. With minimal s&l I did Belgium, Egypt, and the Netherlands in under 20 rounds, and Norway in 25. That’s with the Allies already having a massive advantage. i don't think it was the second update because soviets still get plowed by germans every single time in my conquests. They get to Moscow and largely stop. Anyway, for good balance, plowing is how it should be. If you play an allied country and do nothing against Germany in a *challenge* conquest Germany should steamroll its neighbors.
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Post by tristanknight on Jan 22, 2024 3:21:16 GMT
i don't think it was the second update because soviets still get plowed by germans every single time in my conquests. They get to Moscow and largely stop. Anyway, for good balance, plowing is how it should be. If you play an allied country and do nothing against Germany in a *challenge* conquest Germany should steamroll its neighbors. oh i try to do my best against germany... i just end up wasting turns getting nowhere when i'm trying to get it done in 20 or 25 turns 🙄 and they don't stop at moscow in mine, they just continue on to china and india.
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 22, 2024 6:32:42 GMT
They get to Moscow and largely stop. Anyway, for good balance, plowing is how it should be. If you play an allied country and do nothing against Germany in a *challenge* conquest Germany should steamroll its neighbors. oh i try to do my best against germany... i just end up wasting turns getting nowhere when i'm trying to get it done in 20 or 25 turns 🙄 and they don't stop at moscow in mine, they just continue on to china and india. Well I usually have most of Germany by 20 so that could explain it.
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Post by tristanknight on Jan 22, 2024 15:28:27 GMT
oh i try to do my best against germany... i just end up wasting turns getting nowhere when i'm trying to get it done in 20 or 25 turns 🙄 and they don't stop at moscow in mine, they just continue on to china and india. Well I usually have most of Germany by 20 so that could explain it. i got my numbers wrong, it's 25 and 35 rounds that i need to do. not sure what comes after 35 for 1 star but i probably need that as well. and here i've been stressing because i'm still fighting germany after round 12 😂
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Post by Dorado St. Sebastian on Jan 22, 2024 19:04:19 GMT
Did my 3rd Challenge Conquest last night using Russia. My 2nd was 2 star Spain. Got Russia done in under 25 rounds but realized 20 would have been possible had I known better. Resources came in slow and I had to recall a few Gens from Asia to strengthen my European western front, which were Pavlov, Arnim on T44s, Graziani on aAlpini, MacArthur, Monty and Guderian. Lost Leeb, Y~shita, and Rommel(on T44 meant for Africa). Left Simo and Nimitz in the East. Nim as Air gen and airborne Simo on Hawkeye.
In spite of the early errors causing delay(ie. Waiting for resources to gain 14 allies...missed the 15th before 25 round). i enjoyed it. The reports, buffs, enemy/ally page, etc. All improve the game and make it more immersive and informative. Would also love to see the antihero Percy "Hobo" Hobart, part of buried WW2 history. Anyhoo, With 3 conquests i gained 27 points which unlocked Darlan and shy only 3 for blitz/guerilla medal...just need to remind myself to not start any, late at night😉.
Saw someone do Russia in 11.., and another get chennault in 4 conquests...😲...im not sure i could do it under 20 rounds, and 10 conquests🤣 . One challenge is 5 mixed nation conquests, which is good to know that you dont need to complete all challenges to reach the 70+points to get Him. Whew...😓. Need a nap now
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Post by stoic on Jan 22, 2024 19:26:16 GMT
I really like the improvements of WC4 over the years. When it was released it was a decent game, but far from being spectacular in any respects. Now it is getting interesting with every new update. A great contrast with some of their recent games like EW7 when the whole game process with each new update turned to pointless grinding.
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 22, 2024 21:05:37 GMT
I really like the improvements of WC4 over the years. When it was released it was a decent game, but far from being spectacular in any respects. Now it is getting interesting with every new update. A great contrast with some of their recent games like EW7 when the whole game process with each new update turned to pointless grinding. The recent updates have been fantastic and I don’t even mind the new IAP *generals*. However, the addition of the excellence medal about a year ago ruins many aspects of the game and takes away from the fun original skill set required to run conquests quickly (or just kill enemy generals fast). I’m going to write a post about it sometime soon.
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 22, 2024 21:07:29 GMT
Well I usually have most of Germany by 20 so that could explain it. i got my numbers wrong, it's 25 and 35 rounds that i need to do. not sure what comes after 35 for 1 star but i probably need that as well. and here i've been stressing because i'm still fighting germany after round 12 😂 The final achievement for 1 star is 25 rounds. I think it’s best done with the Netherlands if you have the firepower (especially the excellence medal). S&L and medal switching is probably required for most. I did both and am highly experience with speedruns and only got 18 with the Netherlands my first run.
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Post by tristanknight on Jan 22, 2024 23:40:42 GMT
i got my numbers wrong, it's 25 and 35 rounds that i need to do. not sure what comes after 35 for 1 star but i probably need that as well. and here i've been stressing because i'm still fighting germany after round 12 😂 The final achievement for 1 star is 25 rounds. I think it’s best done with the Netherlands if you have the firepower (especially the excellence medal). S&L and medal switching is probably required for most. I did both and am highly experience with speedruns and only got 18 with the Netherlands my first run. do you just go after the cities and ignore the generals? and i do have the excellence medal. i think elite unit could fall under that as well because i built a king tiger and put manstein on it and he literally got smoked by germany in less than 1 round. also, what is S&L?
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Post by stoic on Jan 23, 2024 3:10:57 GMT
Save/load cloud archive to maximize your damage by aiming for critical hits and switching medals. It is definitely not the most exciting thing on earth but it is effective, I have to admit it. Just an example. You put your best medals on one general and attack, if the result of this attack are satisfying you make a save. Then you attack again, if you are not content with results you load your cloud archive and start attacking again until you are pleased with results. Then you are switching medals and repeat the whole process again. I have honor to discover switching medals tactics long ago and back then it was just a fun fact. Now it may be a necessity It is definitely worth trying if you have that powerful Excellence 🏅 european-war-4.boards.net/thread/7727/secret-year
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 23, 2024 3:21:26 GMT
Save/load cloud archive to maximize your damage by aiming for critical hits and switching medals. It is definitely not the most exciting thing on earth but it is effective, I have to admit it. Just an example. You put your best medals on one general and attack, if the result of this attack are satisfying you make a save. Then you attack again, if you are not content with results you load your cloud archive and start attacking again until you are pleased with results. Then you are switching medals and repeat the whole process again. I have honor to discover switching medals tactics long ago and back then it was just a fun fact. Now it may be a necessity It is definitely worth trying if you have that powerful Excellence 🏅 european-war-4.boards.net/thread/7727/secret-yearThat’s interesting. I think by S&L we mean radically different things (I only use that term because I saw others using it). By medal switching, it is obvious: attack with one general, switch the medals to another, etc. Note that this does not work on excellence *unless* it never activated for your first general it is on (that round). What is the word for pausing your game mid-attack animation to guarantee leader abilities and, at the highest levels, maxing possible damage via the formula for every attack? This is what is required in conquests, and I imagine Von Stierlitz was the first (no one else seemed to get close to his records until I did; I did so because I found his records to be impossible in finite time, hence I searched for ways to guarantee the critical hit).
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 23, 2024 3:28:07 GMT
The final achievement for 1 star is 25 rounds. I think it’s best done with the Netherlands if you have the firepower (especially the excellence medal). S&L and medal switching is probably required for most. I did both and am highly experience with speedruns and only got 18 with the Netherlands my first run. do you just go after the cities and ignore the generals? and i do have the excellence medal. i think elite unit could fall under that as well because i built a king tiger and put manstein on it and he literally got smoked by germany in less than 1 round. also, what is S&L? I use similar strategies as in speedruns. Move your main units, the generals, as far as possible each round. Tanks should generally not attack unless they can get the kill if there’s other units around. That is, your other units exist solely for mobility to capture empty cities and to get nearby units low enough health so your tank gens can one shot them and attack again. I have yet to truly speedrun the ‘39 conquest (though my first ever run was USSR in 11 rounds lol), but this far I have been killing the enemy generals near *your* cities. You should note how Guderian goes straight to Moscow and Manstein straight to S Russia. Ignore them. Attack their cities so they can’t replenish, but use excellence on your best artillery general (preferably Kluge since his “ignore defense” perk is highly valuable against elite units) so they don’t harass your units. Make careful use of the new transporting AF elite units, and especially note field artillery are included (especially the first elite artillery unit, a perfect fit for Zhukov). Also note my and Stoic’s comments on S&L and what I was calling it for 4 years now.
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Post by stoic on Jan 23, 2024 3:35:59 GMT
Save/load cloud archive to maximize your damage by aiming for critical hits and switching medals. It is definitely not the most exciting thing on earth but it is effective, I have to admit it. Just an example. You put your best medals on one general and attack, if the result of this attack are satisfying you make a save. Then you attack again, if you are not content with results you load your cloud archive and start attacking again until you are pleased with results. Then you are switching medals and repeat the whole process again. I have honor to discover switching medals tactics long ago and back then it was just a fun fact. Now it may be a necessity It is definitely worth trying if you have that powerful Excellence 🏅 european-war-4.boards.net/thread/7727/secret-yearThat’s interesting. I think by S&L we mean radically different things (I only use that term because I saw others using it). By medal switching, it is obvious: attack with one general, switch the medals to another, etc. Note that this does not work on excellence *unless* it never activated for your first general it is on (that round). What is the word for pausing your game mid-attack animation to guarantee leader abilities and, at the highest levels, maxing possible damage via the formula for every attack? This is what is required in conquests, and I imagine Von Stierlitz was the first (no one else seemed to get close to his records until I did; I did so because I found his records to be impossible in finite time, hence I searched for ways to guarantee the critical hit). Good old days Max Otto von Stierlitz was an excellent player (unfortunately, only WC games were his point of interest) but that was invented before him. It is known since days of EW4 when many players used this tactics. But, it made sense only in games without cloud saves, I mean to pause the animation. If you have a cloud save you just load it as many times as you like to get the desirable result. Btw, in later games ET removed this opportunity completely. If you use save/load amidst the conquest you data is removed. Probably for the better. It was really an annoying process, tbh
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jan 23, 2024 3:38:42 GMT
Save/load cloud archive to maximize your damage by aiming for critical hits and switching medals. It is definitely not the most exciting thing on earth but it is effective, I have to admit it. Just an example. You put your best medals on one general and attack, if the result of this attack are satisfying you make a save. Then you attack again, if you are not content with results you load your cloud archive and start attacking again until you are pleased with results. Then you are switching medals and repeat the whole process again. I have honor to discover switching medals tactics long ago and back then it was just a fun fact. Now it may be a necessity It is definitely worth trying if you have that powerful Excellence 🏅 european-war-4.boards.net/thread/7727/secret-yearThat’s interesting. I think by S&L we mean radically different things (I only use that term because I saw others using it). By medal switching, it is obvious: attack with one general, switch the medals to another, etc. Note that this does not work on excellence *unless* it never activated for your first general it is on (that round). What is the word for pausing your game mid-attack animation to guarantee leader abilities and, at the highest levels, maxing possible damage via the formula for every attack? This is what is required in conquests, and I imagine Von Stierlitz was the first (no one else seemed to get close to his records until I did; I did so because I found his records to be impossible in finite time, hence I searched for ways to guarantee the critical hit). Both are called s&l with no prefix for differentiation so it really depends on the context.
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 23, 2024 3:48:00 GMT
That’s interesting. I think by S&L we mean radically different things (I only use that term because I saw others using it). By medal switching, it is obvious: attack with one general, switch the medals to another, etc. Note that this does not work on excellence *unless* it never activated for your first general it is on (that round). What is the word for pausing your game mid-attack animation to guarantee leader abilities and, at the highest levels, maxing possible damage via the formula for every attack? This is what is required in conquests, and I imagine Von Stierlitz was the first (no one else seemed to get close to his records until I did; I did so because I found his records to be impossible in finite time, hence I searched for ways to guarantee the critical hit). Both are called s&l with no prefix for differentiation so it really depends on the context. I here propose what I am referring to as p&s (pause and see)! Also I don’t fully understand what “actual” s&l is.
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