Prince Leopold or Hinderburg?

Hotzendorf > Leopold > Hindenburg

I have Hotzendorf and Ivanov and I'm looking for third arty general...I can't decide...

So let's take a look. I'm assuming that we're looking at their maximum potential.


Hindenburgs stats at Emperor is 115 BA and 49 AA. That's a total of +40% atk and +45% def from stats.

In regards to attack he has: +40% atk, +20 damage to everything, +20 damage to city defense, +20% atk when stationed in a city.
So I'm not sure if Salvo and Storm fortifications are affected by the damage multipliers, but I'll assume they do for now.
- When attacking against units he has: (+40% base atk + 28 damage)*0,75 artillery damage multiplier
- When attacking against city defense he has: (+40% base atk + 56 damage)*1,50 artillery damage multiplier
- When attacking from a city against units he has: (+68% base atk + 28 damage)*0,75 artillery damage multiplier
- When attacking from a city against city defense he has: (+68 base atk + 56 damage)*1,50 artillery damage multiplier

I think I don't need to look at defense because Hindenburgs defense is unquestionably superior. The only interesting thing is that Defense Formation gives Hindenburg +16% defense (kanue proved that Auras add stats in percentages), which means his total defense is +68,2%


Leopold's stats are 92 BA and 55 AA at prince. That's a total of +36% atk and +38% def from stats.

In regards to attack he has: +36% attack, +20 damage against everything, +10% crit damage = >2,5% average damage, +20% attack when stationed in a city, +25% attack when stationed on a plain, +20 counterattack damage. I'm not sure I'm going to count Artillery master though since I personally look at things without the possibility to crit and that crit is really weird as you can still do lousy damage if you get a bad damage roll. I also don't care about counterattack and I'm not going to put the effort of doing that either. Yes I'm lazy.

- When attacking against units in a plain he has (+70% base atk + 34 damage)*0,75 artillery damage multiplier
- When attacking cities in a plain he has (+70% base atk + 34 damage)*1,50 artillery damage multiplier

So the most important of these instances are when they attack a city from a plain. That's what we use artillery for anyway. The question is, does +30% atk overcome +22 damage? Well, at my tech level, Howitzers have 89 atk, and they can get 95 at the next one. The answer is to that question is, yes, it does. 95*0.30=28,5. 

So offensively Leopold is better in most situations. He does more damage against cities when both of them are on plain, very rarely are we attacking cities from a city (though Hindenburg hits enemy forts from a newly conquered city pretty well).

Defensively Hindenburg with his -25% damage taken from art/navy and +68,2% defense crushes Leopolds +38% defense. Now, +30% defense sounds like a lot, but artillery has terrible base defense. Howitzers at my next tech level has 25 def. This means that Hindenburg has 7 (I think they round down) more def than Leopold, which... actually is significant. There's also the fact that Defense Formation is an aura, so he can buff your allies defense by a much bigger amount as cavalry has insane base defense.

In conclusion, Leopold DOES do more damage most of the times. Hindenburg is stronger in very niche situations. However, Hindenburg has a totally unique ability to buff your cavalry generals defense to ridiculous amounts. I'd personally say they're about equal, but I highly value damage reduction so Hindenburg wins for me.

Yes, that's the last mission of the 10th campaign. but that's absolutely reachable using aura and plains. Ludendorff can reach 220 in tank, Leopold on Krupp can do just as good.

So Ivanov doesn't come anywhere close to both of them? If so my second and third artillery generals will be hindenburg and leopold respectively

But seriously, Ivanov has got the advantage of Artillery Expert and Tactic Master. He deals loads of damage, especially in mountains and sometimes attacks twice. His damage easily outclasses Hotzendrof's while he fights in the mountains. However, he does a bit worse when attacking cities.

I agree Ivanov is better than Leopold in Term of which general is more versatile. Ivanov deal less damage per shot but he can shot up to thrice time per turn or depend on your luck.