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Post by Seger on Apr 15, 2020 13:32:06 GMT
Which Cristians? Mostly Christians from the Deep South. What are they forcing on me? Banning abortus, banning softdrugs, discriminating LGBTQ’s, dehumanising muslims, death sentence, guns etc.How do they force things on me? Via congres. Tbh they don’t force it on me since I as mentioned before do not live in the USA but this is something I’m seeing from across the Atlantic. The story that rich people work the hardest is utter *Auto Corrected*. The poorest people do the worst jobs because nobody else wants them. Saying to just save 50% is easy if you make a decent income as a doctor or other high educated job, but if you’re barely surviving on your normal income, Working 12 hours a day and 7 days a week? And don’t say that’s impossible it is reality. In the Netherlands everyone gives a large portion of their income to the government from which the government can provide healthcare for all, good education and can give you money to live on when you lose your job and you can rent an appartement for less money if you don’t make a lot of money. Everyone profits from this, the Netherlands is a very save country, real poverty barely exists and everyone can get good education. Banning abortions is banning muders. Banning softdrugs is to save USA from being Mexico. They dehumanize muslims? With what? Paying taxes to keep the country's border from illegal immigrations? If you force the country to take away their guns, you are the one forcing your believe. As long as they don't do any crimes with their guns, they are protected by the second amendment, and you're being unconstitutional if you violate their rights to bare arms. About the LGBTQs, the conservatives don't discriminate or dehumanize them, there are many LGBT conservatives as well. If you want a real example of LGBT discriminations, you can take a look at the Arab states. The LGBTs are hanged publicly in there. Those are the Arab countries of which the illegal American immigrants are from. So where do you think rich people's money come from? Did descend from heaven? Your wealth is measured by how much the society needs you, not how much you feel tired or exhausted. One could do very hard works, but if the society doesn't feel the need of his/her work, he/she wouldn't receive much money. The society decides and pays you based on how much they need your work. Who is the 'society'? It is you, your friends, your family, and eveyone else in your country. It is not true however that rich people don't start from the bottom. My grandparents were dirt poor with barely any rice to eat. They started from hard labor works day by days for years. But now, our family is successful. That's it, money doesn't come from heavens, kid. And it seems that you need to learn basic economy about supply and demand. Money doesn’t come from heaven but money does come from people who go to heaven, or hell that doesn’t really matter. Softdrugs don’t make a country Mexico, my country is the largest producer of illegal XTC and it still is one of the safest countries on earth. Dehumanising Muslims, by acting like they all are scary beasts. They do commit crimes with their guns like shooting me and my classmates and yes they get arrested for that but that doesn’t help me. They give guns to people who shouldn’t have guns like everyone except the police. Conservatives do discriminate LGBTQs, remember when trump banned transgenders from the army?
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 15, 2020 17:16:32 GMT
Banning abortions is banning muders. Banning softdrugs is to save USA from being Mexico. They dehumanize muslims? With what? Paying taxes to keep the country's border from illegal immigrations? If you force the country to take away their guns, you are the one forcing your believe. As long as they don't do any crimes with their guns, they are protected by the second amendment, and you're being unconstitutional if you violate their rights to bare arms. About the LGBTQs, the conservatives don't discriminate or dehumanize them, there are many LGBT conservatives as well. If you want a real example of LGBT discriminations, you can take a look at the Arab states. The LGBTs are hanged publicly in there. Those are the Arab countries of which the illegal American immigrants are from. So where do you think rich people's money come from? Did descend from heaven? Your wealth is measured by how much the society needs you, not how much you feel tired or exhausted. One could do very hard works, but if the society doesn't feel the need of his/her work, he/she wouldn't receive much money. The society decides and pays you based on how much they need your work. Who is the 'society'? It is you, your friends, your family, and eveyone else in your country. It is not true however that rich people don't start from the bottom. My grandparents were dirt poor with barely any rice to eat. They started from hard labor works day by days for years. But now, our family is successful. That's it, money doesn't come from heavens, kid. And it seems that you need to learn basic economy about supply and demand. Money doesn’t come from heaven but money does come from people who go to heaven, or hell that doesn’t really matter. Softdrugs don’t make a country Mexico, my country is the largest producer of illegal XTC and it still is one of the safest countries on earth. Dehumanising Muslims, by acting like they all are scary beasts. They do commit crimes with their guns like shooting me and my classmates and yes they get arrested for that but that doesn’t help me. They give guns to people who shouldn’t have guns like everyone except the police. Conservatives do discriminate LGBTQs, remember when trump banned transgenders from the army? What does your first sentence mean? I can not understand such language. XTCs are actually dangerous. They are addicting and dangerous for your body. They are supposed to be used for scientific researches and medical treatment only. Again, how do they 'dehumanize muslims by acting like they are terrorists'? By securing borders? I feel sorry for your experience (although, you may think I'm just pretending to sympathize). I admit that the personal firearms regulation is not being implemented that properly. But banning guns won't solve the problem, and it is violating the second amendment. Even if guns were banned, violent people could use anything for their crime (knives, cars, blunt objects, etc.). Trump did not ban the trans in the US army because he is discriminatory to LGBTs. He did that because trans soldiers need to much military budget for their surgeries. If he really did that on the basis of discrimination, he would also ban gays, lesbians, and bisex people, muslims, and people of color. The fact that he didn't do any of that means that it is purely about military budget effectiveness. Besides, trans soldiers still serves in the US army despite the 'ban' that Trump made. Please be more open minded. There are LGBT right wingers and muslim conservatives as well. Even though we have different political views, it shouldn't divide us by race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. We are all one human species after all. Peace😊 Btw, I knew I shouldn't have started this debate. Because people will swarm and debate me at almost the same time. I was talking about capitalism, but look how far I end up.😄 From now on, I hope I can stop debating politics here. Except for Bing which I promised to. Not that I haven't had enough debates with other people from YouTube too😁
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Post by Seger on Apr 15, 2020 17:38:59 GMT
Money doesn’t come from heaven but money does come from people who go to heaven, or hell that doesn’t really matter. Softdrugs don’t make a country Mexico, my country is the largest producer of illegal XTC and it still is one of the safest countries on earth. Dehumanising Muslims, by acting like they all are scary beasts. They do commit crimes with their guns like shooting me and my classmates and yes they get arrested for that but that doesn’t help me. They give guns to people who shouldn’t have guns like everyone except the police. Conservatives do discriminate LGBTQs, remember when trump banned transgenders from the army? What does your first sentence mean? I can not understand such language. XTCs are actually dangerous. They are addicting and dangerous for your body. They are supposed to be used for scientific researches and medical treatment only. Again, how do they 'dehumanize muslims by acting like they are terrorists'? By securing borders? I feel sorry for your experience (although, you may think I'm just pretending to sympathize). I admit that the personal firearms regulation is not being implemented that properly. But banning guns won't solve the problem, and it is violating the second amendment. Even if guns were banned, violent people could use anything for their crime (knives, cars, blunt objects, etc.). Trump did not ban the trans in the US army because he is discriminatory to LGBTs. He did that because trans soldiers need to much military budget for their surgeries. If he really did that on the basis of discrimination, he would also ban gays, lesbians, and bisex people, muslims, and people of color. The fact that he didn't do any of that means that it is purely about military budget effectiveness. Besides, trans soldiers still serves in the US army despite the 'ban' that Trump made. Please be more open minded. There are LGBT right wingers and muslim conservatives as well. Even though we have different political views, it shouldn't divide us by race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. We are all one human species after all. Peace😊 Btw, I knew I shouldn't have started this debate. Because people will swarm and debate me at almost the same time. I was talking about capitalism, but look how far I end up.😄 From now on, I hope I can stop debating politics here. Except for Bing which I promised to. Not that I haven't had enough debates with other people from YouTube too😁 The first sentence means that wealth can be inherited I agree XTC is very dangerous but if you make it illegal criminals will produce it and get the profit I’m very sorry for creating the impression that I myself was victim of a shooting. I was just referring to the fact that it’s more common in the USA and could happen to every student. Dehumanising Muslims by for example banning people in many countries in the Middle East from visiting the USA because they’re all terrorists according to trump but leaving out Saudi Arabia while osama bin laden was born there. You’re right de trump administration didn’t take many anti LGBTQs measures but banning transgenders from the army because their operations cost a lot of money is bs, the USA spends so much money on the army that a few milion more or less is barely noticeable. And off course there are Muslims and gays who support trump but fact is that there are many more extreme Cristians who support trump. Edit: if you don’t want to continue I completely understand that, you’re most likely not going to change your opinion and I’m not either
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Post by Gone on Apr 15, 2020 18:49:10 GMT
Looking back im amazed at how this thread is titled: Corona Virus, but the topics of this thread revolve so much around politics that ideology has to be brought in at some point, either by me or by some other ppl I know read widely, like good ol' stoic haha (quoting him so that he can fulfill his intellectual exercise and indulge in this logocentric swimming pool, that is if he's online) I thought the same. Bing, do you work on something related to literature? I can see that you have a big interest in that area, and you write with a tone that I can only assume comes from someone that understands very well what they are talking about.
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 15, 2020 19:31:43 GMT
What does your first sentence mean? I can not understand such language. XTCs are actually dangerous. They are addicting and dangerous for your body. They are supposed to be used for scientific researches and medical treatment only. Again, how do they 'dehumanize muslims by acting like they are terrorists'? By securing borders? I feel sorry for your experience (although, you may think I'm just pretending to sympathize). I admit that the personal firearms regulation is not being implemented that properly. But banning guns won't solve the problem, and it is violating the second amendment. Even if guns were banned, violent people could use anything for their crime (knives, cars, blunt objects, etc.). Trump did not ban the trans in the US army because he is discriminatory to LGBTs. He did that because trans soldiers need to much military budget for their surgeries. If he really did that on the basis of discrimination, he would also ban gays, lesbians, and bisex people, muslims, and people of color. The fact that he didn't do any of that means that it is purely about military budget effectiveness. Besides, trans soldiers still serves in the US army despite the 'ban' that Trump made. Please be more open minded. There are LGBT right wingers and muslim conservatives as well. Even though we have different political views, it shouldn't divide us by race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. We are all one human species after all. Peace😊 Btw, I knew I shouldn't have started this debate. Because people will swarm and debate me at almost the same time. I was talking about capitalism, but look how far I end up.😄 From now on, I hope I can stop debating politics here. Except for Bing which I promised to. Not that I haven't had enough debates with other people from YouTube too😁 The first sentence means that wealth can be inherited I agree XTC is very dangerous but if you make it illegal criminals will produce it and get the profit I’m very sorry for creating the impression that I myself was victim of a shooting. I was just referring to the fact that it’s more common in the USA and could happen to every student. Dehumanising Muslims by for example banning people in many countries in the Middle East from visiting the USA because they’re all terrorists according to trump but leaving out Saudi Arabia while osama bin laden was born there. You’re right de trump administration didn’t take many anti LGBTQs measures but banning transgenders from the army because their operations cost a lot of money is bs, the USA spends so much money on the army that a few milion more or less is barely noticeable. And off course there are Muslims and gays who support trump but fact is that there are many more extreme Cristians who support trump. Edit: if you don’t want to continue I completely understand that, you’re most likely not going to change your opinion and I’m not either Now, since you start to be more open, I don't see any reason as to not suspend this dialogue a bit. 😄 Of course wealth can be inherited which means if you were rich because of your ancestors, your ancestors worked hard by serving the society's need for your future's sake. Isn't it what most parents do? And also, the wealth you inherit from your ancestors doesn't always determine your future. Take my great grandparent for example, it was said that he was very rich but was 'not good at handling money'. All his wealth were gone and he became very poor. And take my grandparent as the second example, he was dirt poor, he can barely eat enough rice for a day. But he worked hard with blood and sweat, after years of doing hard labors and started a small business, now he and our whole family iare prettyy successful (most have at least a PhD degree and nice paying jobs as well as family businesses and investments). That's the beauty of capitalism. My ancestors are example. Yes, making XTCs illegal would make criminals produce it and attain the profit, but making it legal would even make ordinary people produce it and get the profit while damaging the country's health. It is not a 'Muslim ban' that Trump implemented, it is ban for visitors and immigrants from conflict regions, not the religion (seriously, it's quiete racist to link ones country to a certain religion. You see, there are many Christian Arabs and Muslims from other countries as well. Nationality is NOT religion). Because allowing them to visit or immigrate is like playing a Russian roulette to the US citizens (there might be some terrorists, but not certain). If a muslim from Kazakhstan or Saudi Arabia, they will be granted permission, but rather if an Irani Christian wanted to he/she wouldn't be permitted. In fact, the largest world muslim population is not in a country in the middle east. You can read more about the so called 'Muslim ban' from Wikipedia. And if the US spends billions of dollars for its military, it means the US prioritizes its defense and doesn't want that budget to go to for anywhere else besides military. The military's capabilities shall not be given away for some unnecessary things. We should appreciate Trump for his actions. I think those are just misunderstandings made by the corrupt ones in Washington to spread fake news about Donald Trump. The corrupt politicians don't want America to be great, they just want to continue their corruptions and bribes. They make America divided by fake news. The majority of world media is controlled by those corrupt people. That's why we rarely hear any good news about Trump on TVs. But he was elected by the American people, not by those corrupt mainstream medias. Be more critical on anything and good luck! 😄
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 15, 2020 23:38:13 GMT
Looking back im amazed at how this thread is titled: Corona Virus, but the topics of this thread revolve so much around politics that ideology has to be brought in at some point, either by me or by some other ppl I know read widely, like good ol' stoic haha (quoting him so that he can fulfill his intellectual exercise and indulge in this logocentric swimming pool, that is if he's online) I thought the same. Bing, do you work on something related to literature? I can see that you have a big interest in that area, and you write with a tone that I can only assume comes from someone that understands very well what they are talking about. I do, but I'm not one who should be consulted on it... not that very strong haha
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Post by ambitiousace on Apr 16, 2020 1:00:30 GMT
I thought the same. Bing, do you work on something related to literature? I can see that you have a big interest in that area, and you write with a tone that I can only assume comes from someone that understands very well what they are talking about. I do, but I'm not one who should be consulted on it... not that very strong haha Talking about bing humble😁This is why I like people from the arts and humanity
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 16, 2020 1:08:53 GMT
I do, but I'm not one who should be consulted on it... not that very strong haha Talking about bing humble😁This is why I like people from the arts and humanity Nah the distinction between the humanities, and the empiricist scientific field is always too large. If we do make comparisons based on merit it will be pretty irrelevant too
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 16, 2020 1:09:17 GMT
Thinking about it aren't we all tied together by our passion in history: ET games?
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Post by ambitiousace on Apr 16, 2020 1:39:25 GMT
Thinking about it aren't we all tied together by our passion in history: ET games? This is because time change and heal our past and differences, and we humans create history together mate!
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 16, 2020 1:56:50 GMT
Thinking about it aren't we all tied together by our passion in history: ET games? This is because time change and heal our past and differences, and we humans create history together mate! mm even history may divide us at times haha
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Post by Seger on Apr 16, 2020 7:13:51 GMT
The first sentence means that wealth can be inherited I agree XTC is very dangerous but if you make it illegal criminals will produce it and get the profit I’m very sorry for creating the impression that I myself was victim of a shooting. I was just referring to the fact that it’s more common in the USA and could happen to every student. Dehumanising Muslims by for example banning people in many countries in the Middle East from visiting the USA because they’re all terrorists according to trump but leaving out Saudi Arabia while osama bin laden was born there. You’re right de trump administration didn’t take many anti LGBTQs measures but banning transgenders from the army because their operations cost a lot of money is bs, the USA spends so much money on the army that a few milion more or less is barely noticeable. And off course there are Muslims and gays who support trump but fact is that there are many more extreme Cristians who support trump. Edit: if you don’t want to continue I completely understand that, you’re most likely not going to change your opinion and I’m not either Now, since you start to be more open, I don't see any reason as to not suspend this dialogue a bit. 😄 Of course wealth can be inherited which means if you were rich because of your ancestors, your ancestors worked hard by serving the society's need for your future's sake. Isn't it what most parents do? And also, the wealth you inherit from your ancestors doesn't always determine your future. Take my great grandparent for example, it was said that he was very rich but was 'not good at handling money'. All his wealth were gone and he became very poor. And take my grandparent as the second example, he was dirt poor, he can barely eat enough rice for a day. But he worked hard with blood and sweat, after years of doing hard labors and started a small business, now he and our whole family iare prettyy successful (most have at least a PhD degree and nice paying jobs as well as family businesses and investments). That's the beauty of capitalism. My ancestors are example. Yes, making XTCs illegal would make criminals produce it and attain the profit, but making it legal would even make ordinary people produce it and get the profit while damaging the country's health. It is not a 'Muslim ban' that Trump implemented, it is ban for visitors and immigrants from conflict regions, not the religion (seriously, it's quiete racist to link ones country to a certain religion. You see, there are many Christian Arabs and Muslims from other countries as well. Nationality is NOT religion). Because allowing them to visit or immigrate is like playing a Russian roulette to the US citizens (there might be some terrorists, but not certain). If a muslim from Kazakhstan or Saudi Arabia, they will be granted permission, but rather if an Irani Christian wanted to he/she wouldn't be permitted. In fact, the largest world muslim population is not in a country in the middle east. You can read more about the so called 'Muslim ban' from Wikipedia. And if the US spends billions of dollars for its military, it means the US prioritizes its defense and doesn't want that budget to go to for anywhere else besides military. The military's capabilities shall not be given away for some unnecessary things. We should appreciate Trump for his actions. I think those are just misunderstandings made by the corrupt ones in Washington to spread fake news about Donald Trump. The corrupt politicians don't want America to be great, they just want to continue their corruptions and bribes. They make America divided by fake news. The majority of world media is controlled by those corrupt people. That's why we rarely hear any good news about Trump on TVs. But he was elected by the American people, not by those corrupt mainstream medias. Be more critical on anything and good luck! 😄 It's just not the case that if you're good enough you will always become succesfull, there are No equal changes why do you think that the children of poor people most of the time stay poor? Because they're just inferior? No, if I have high educated parents my changes of being succesful increase because they will be able to help me with homework and be able to afford better education. Your grandparent had maybe a hard life, good discipline and luck. But his children already had much better changes because he was succesful. Fact is that if you're poor your children will likely also be poor. Thats Why XTC and weed should be a government monopoly. XTC and weed are accordingto the american addictiin centres less adicitive then alcohol or nicotine, so Why should that be legal but XTC or weed illegal. By making it a government monopoly you could make advertising for drugs illegal while the profit could be used to help people Who are addicted and want to stop using drugs. The USA would become a saver place because less people sho used drugs would have to go to prison and become real criminals in prison. there hasnt been a irani terrorist in the USA ever, Iranians are sjia muslims and 9/11 was a sunni muslims thing. In fact orginistations as boko haram, al Qaeda, Isis and the Taliban are all sunni muslim orginisations. And the relations between Iran and the USa were not So terrible as they're now becaus trump decided to shoot a iranian military leader. So saying it was for national security is bs there are many saudi-Arabian terrorist but trump didn't ban them. So its maybe not anti muslim but it is still racist. I don't believe that it really was about spending less money. he was elected by a minority of the voters, is that What you call a democraticly elected leader? i'm very critical only on populism
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 16, 2020 7:19:35 GMT
Precisely, Marxism is the source of all these capitalism-hating people. Karl Marx's books are just trashed 'theories' and has no successful implementations. He is very good at deceiving and provoking people. But he is the worst at giving examples of his proposed ideas. Don't worry, I have friend who was a Marxist. He read Karl's books and became immediately decieved and trusted communism. After a few minutes of discussion (online chat) I had been able to neutralize his radical Marxist views and he was back to believe in free market capitalism as the best economic system available. If you say it is an ill social and economic system, give evidence and example That's extremely basic and naive lol. Marxism is not just an immature concept that you can childishly throw around, thats so literal. What I am trying to say is that Marxism isnt just about reductive communism and socialism. I am trying to introduce it and capitalism in the literary lens; how it affects our society on a structural scale, and how literature (which you do not accept) seeks to address and expose them. As for an evidence, the illusion of meritocracy in a Capitalist system can be seen as an apt example. Meritocracy is the illusion of success, where ideological subjects, through various ideological state apparatuses, are made to believe that they will be able to attain more rewards (basically social/economic capital) in a Capitalist system, and that they all have the liberty to do so out of their own free will, and have equal opportunities to do so as well. Nothing too politically or economically dense for anyone to understand here, so my logic and critical theory is starkly in the open. Such material life conditions, as Karl Marx explains, are forms of social existence that determines Man's consciousness. Conversely it is not Man who chooses reality, but it is that reality coerces mankind to believe that the way of seeing themselves and explaining the world is natural. Back to meritocracy, which is very apparent in many educational systems, students are made to believe that the more effort they put in, the more rewards they will reap in the future. That is why so much resources are spent into tutors, materials, pre-education classes, camps, workshops and so on. Then again, meritocracy disillusions subjects to believe that despite the inequality that they face in their access to capital (tuition, textbooks, internet access etc.), if they put in the same level, if not even more work and determination they are able to securely stay ahead in the rat-race. In reality, that is not the case. If you claim that I am wrong and atrociously ignorant, I can safely say that you are basing your assumptions not only on popular success stories (quote me 100 in detail, and they still peripheral among the world's population), which is very biased and reductive, but also based on a state of false consciousness. You do not realize the social exploitation that takes place, where people with pre-determined capital and placed at obviously a much better position then those who have not and are disenfranchised, but instead focus on the individual's agency and power (i.e. subscribing to meritocracy) and blame them for their situation. I am sorry if you are vexed by this, but in reality if you believe that Marxism is mere political extremism and that Capitalism is the pure and effective framework (well it is the MOST effective, but that doesnt dictate that it itself is EFFECTIVE as well. Catch is that neither you nor I nor any intellectual can come up with a better system), you are in reality deceived and captivated by the myth of success. By insisting on the very ideology that enslaves you and dominates your thoughts, beliefs on equality, justice, integrity, diligence etc, you fervently deny the "unseeable", things that defy your definitions and beliefs. Insidiously you think you CHOOSE these beliefs, but they are really pre-conditioned and influenced onto you the minute you appeared in this dominantly Capitalist society. Thus you are determined to defend your beliefs, and cannot imagine how the disadvantaged are at a much lower base than the ones in hold of capital. You, make up most of the world and their actions, and thus these individuals are overshadowed even more. It is the duty and means of Literature that reveals and exposes these naive notions that the world has, and elevates or conflates reality with the "unimaginable" plight of the voiceless sub-alterns, which are represented or done justice for (representation itself has problems, but back to +literary+ Capitalism and Marxism since no one can accept it as real) The Capitalist ideology and myth of success and power are hidden from us by ideology itself. It is not that ideology is unreal and that Marx is a deranged lunatic. It is because ideology is in places you cannot access and see clearly, even though it pervades your entire life, and society. You can never act out of free will, or think out of personal choice, intuition or even genius that you think you have. It is all contained, more so by the material existence of ideology. What does Marxism argue? Basically the need for a classless society, free from capitalist exploitation for profit making by the ones with capital and power. Marxist critical theory argues, additionally, that the exploited (you and I, even the exploiters are exploited by the system they conform to) are alienated from themselves, identifying themselves as mere products to run the Capitalist system, cogs in the machine. You asked me once, what does materialism have to do with capitalism? Very simply put, capitalism creates the illusion of power, and subjects that want to ascend the social ladder and appear powerful obsess on the material goods (clothing, gadgets, property). On a deeper level, materialism ties in with Marxist Literature where the objectification of mankind, based on the indifferent, emotionless materialism that they indulge mindlessly in, is an effect of capitalism, again the self-suppression of identity. Perhaps when I talk about these literary concepts, you might recall some books that you have read that support the opposite, and use that as evidence to refute my points. There are many branches of literature, the first being Liberal Humanism (nothing to do with political spheres), where the literary canon believes that human autonomy triumphs over the system. This empowering idea is an illusionist reality that is common in many publications, as well as non-fiction discourses. A Marxist critical lens states that the capitalist system dominates and controls all subjects in it (unless you are in an extremist socialist state, that is an ideal state of Communism, which is impossible, in layman terms due to globalization, you can escape this and automatically throw shade on my argument). Althusser suggests that this is coerced, while Gramsci states that this is a form of spontaneous consent by society (Hegemony), caused by the prestige that the ones in power enjoy, and that individuals can choose to break free from hegemony, which again Foucault knocks down in his subversion-containment model. Critics and theorists aside, Capitalism is at the end of the day multiple things. Commonly, you guys have given it a literal definition, which is not wrong since it has been supported and argued by so many other systemic subjects that it now constitutes the new hyper-reality that we believe in. I am trying to reveal that on another literary level, it can mean a lot as a reflection on our current ideological society. Nothing is free from ideology, and whatever we do, no matter where in our daily lives, buying health products (where healthcare should be an intrinsic human right, but it is commodified as a marketable good) or in intellectual, economic or political discourse, if we do not realize our positions we are doubly oppressed by ideology and continue to be exploited by it, and it is even worse when we believe in its merits and ignore its faultlines (cultural materialism, but ill stop here) You demanded an example, I gave you meritocracy. It does not have to be so apparent and specific, for even in this discussion you have proven to be a docile subject Capitalism creates meritocracy, that's true. However meritocracy is good, it is responsible for most of our modern economic and industrial developments. It is not a mere BS, because my family proves it. My family has risen from a poor uneducated family to a successful high-educated middle class (some of my family members are even on the upper class). That's the beauty of capitalism and meritocracy, there is a large space for the middle class, and also opportunities to be the rich upper class. Stop complaining about 'unequal opportunities' and start working hard and study well.
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 16, 2020 9:44:24 GMT
^ few days ago you maintained that meritocracy had nothing to do with capitalism and Marxist theory oops, glad you agree with me now
Meritocracy can produce results too. But those results are not rewards for everyone who believes in it
Yours may be a personal success story, but for every one success come multiple other failures, though they put in the same (maybe even more) effort, and shares the similar passion and conviction in the core values of meritocracy. Most of the time, the poverty cycle is never broken, and society sees it as the fault of the individual instead (i.e. not worked hard enough). You seem to value hard work and self-determinism, and scorn those who try to take the easy way out. That's an opinion, but are all those that fail in life really lazy? Might there be any other situational or structural faults that causes these individuals to slip through the gaps?
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Post by Hannibal Barca on Apr 16, 2020 9:51:15 GMT
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