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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 15, 2020 19:41:06 GMT
π10 Dec 20 - I always will update this initial post - so please don't quote. I like to share my evaluations to help to get successful the right score for your princess run. In hurry? - Here you find All scores
Victoria appears when you arrive to rule 850 Europe by winning an European conquest (1798,1806,1809 or 1815). To achieve 850 you need to fulfill these criteries Winning conquest
You need to win an conquest before end of round 38.
There is no advantage to finish before round 31!Campaign stars
235/420β
If you have less than 235 Campaign β, more resources are required.
For every β less than 235 add 100 ressources (25π§) Headquarter Rank & nobility
To get the elite princess (Isabella, Victoria, Sakurake and Lan) you need to have some combat experienced generals in your headquarter.
For America and Europe your headquarter bonus needs to be more than 70.000πΎ.
If you have less, you need the difference in resources more.Enough Resources
You need to collect enough resources to get 850 years
The conquestHRE 1798 is the only known one that works.1798 HRE and 1798 France (thanks to littlecorporal) are proved conquests. π₯ 1806 IS the map! π₯ New: As much as I know for now, 1806 conquests seem to be better for Princess conquests. The economy of this map (π§) allow easily conquests up to 38 Rounds. France, Ottoman and Russia can give all 850years, but [/b]France 1806 [/b] seems for me, to be the easiest way to get Victoria. 1809 France is probably the only conquest in 1809 but another really nice opportunity - I need to see how it works with a beginner team. 1815 Austria and Russia also can give 850years (not recommended) France (unproven) probably easier.ResourcesI will show how you can check if you have enough and the important trading rule. Be warned: between Round 31 and R32, is a big difference (1716π§) Until round 31 you need more than 42000 resources: goldπ° = 2 resources ironπ§ = 4 resources foodπ = 1 resources The most 'economic' minimal score is:
9999π° 3001π§ 9999π While confirming my data I found that you even can win 850 years up to round 38 with a raising demand of resources and that even 900years are possible: Tested minimal ressources to achieve 850 years:| rounds | π° | π§ | π | resources | |
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| up to 31 | 9999 | 3002 | 9999 | 42005 | | | 32 | 9999 | 4717 | 9999 | 48883 | | | 33 | 9999 | 5550 | 9999 | 52179 | | | 34 | 9999 | 6381 | 9999 | 55521 | | | 35 | 9999 | 7214 | 9999 | 58853 | | | 36 | 9999 | 8047 | 9999 | 62185 | | | 37 | 9999 | 8879 | 9999 | 65513 | | | 38 | 9999 | 9711 | 9999 | 68841 | |
Tested minimal ressources to achieve 900 years:| round | π° | π§ | π | resources | |
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| up to 31 | 9999 | 7667 | 9999 | | | | 32 | 9999 | 9383 | 9999 | | |
1 year = 373β
ressources (373β
π or 186β
π° or 93β
π§) The 1:2 ratio is very bad - even a 2βtrade general gets a better deal! With a trade general you profit from buying π and selling π§ before you do your final move to Victory(a). Have a look at the trading abnormalities to trade optimal. Example for equal scores:
9999π° 3001π§ 9999π
9999π° 3126π§ 9500π
9999π° 3501π§ 8000π
9000π° 3751π§ 9000π
8000π° 4501π§ 8000π
5000π° 6751π§ 5000π Long (full) conquests:From Round 30-45 (end of testing) you need β3330πΎ (833π§) per round more to achieve the same score. If you can collect more later finishing will result in more years. With one important exception: In R31 you get the same bonus like in R30! This is the so called Speedrun. For this reason the difference between R31 and R32 is the double (R30-R32). Finishing in R32 is usually the worst case. Try to finish in R31. - or - if you can collect more than 835π§, collect ressources as long as you can, untill your stock is almost full (>9000π§ - no overrun). I hope this can help to make your conquest successful - enjoy!
Notes:
All numbers I proved many times
--- Edit due to a typo I posted first 32000 instead of 42000 (and quoted this error) - I corrected this --- |
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Post by ambitiousace on Apr 16, 2020 1:34:11 GMT
I like to share my experience to help to get successful the right score: To get Victoria you need 850 years in Europe to get these you need to fulfill two criteria: 1. You need to win in maximum 31 Rounds - with the turn of AI. 2. More interesting you need enough resources and probably you have to wait a few turns before to finish to get enough: You need at least 32000 resource points with goldπ° = 2 , ironπ§ = 4 and foodπ = 1 point The most 'economic' score is 9999π° 3001π§ 9999π (I couldn't test 3001π§ - 3000π§ results in 800 years, 3002π§ in 850 years) - with a(ny) general at a trading post you will profit from buying food and selling iron before to finish. - with only 8000π you will need at least 3501π§ ! Maybe it's useful Notes: - the level and the points for hammer and food I proved - the points for gold I could not really prove, but it seems logic / correct - I have no Idea if the ratio is always 1-2-4 I can justify the gold part.Make sure it's >8000 while steel the more the merrier.Make sure you have busi geneeal in a capital tho |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 16, 2020 13:51:23 GMT
I can justify the gold part.Make sure it's >8000 while steel the more the merrier.Make sure you have busi geneeal in a capital tho The clou is: To finish up to round 31, you need 9999π° 3001π§ 9999π The formula is: 2π° + 4 π§ + π > 42000 This is a 2:1 ratio - as a trading general can give you a ratio of up to 5:1 it is better to max food and gold as much as much as possible - even a 2β trader will gain you a litte profit! So bring an unused general, as much as I remember all given generals in HRE have at least 2β in trade, to a trading city and buy π and sellπ§ to optimize your score before to finish. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 7:55:27 GMT
I can justify the gold part.Make sure it's >8000 while steel the more the merrier.Make sure you have busi geneeal in a capital tho The clou is you need 9999π° 3001π§ 9999π The formula is: 2π° + 4 π§ + π > 32000 This is a 2:1 ratio - as a trading general can give you a ratio of up to 5:1 it is better to max food and gold as much as much as possible - even a 2β trader will gain you a litte profit! So bring an unused general, as much as I remember all given generals in HRE have at least 2β in trade, to a trading city and buy π and sellπ§ to optimize your score before to finish. Would be nice to see an exact ratio for the first time, but... 9999x2 + 3001x4 + 9999x1 = 42.001, much more than the assumed needed 32.000.(?) In your calculation, assumed you have 9999 gold and buy food to 9999, even 501 metal should be enough (which is definitely not correct) 9999x2 + 501x4 + 9999x1 = 32.001 Am I too dumb or too bleary to add 3 numbers correctly? I hope not. Pls enlighten me. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 17, 2020 9:22:05 GMT
What a shame - it must be 42000 - right - I was tired and copied a wrong number without checking. I changed the number in the main thread -_sorry - thank you Marshal Forwards! |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 11:53:33 GMT
What a shame - it must be 42000 - right - I was tired and copied a wrong number without checking. I changed the number in the main thread -_sorry - thank you Marshal Forwards! . Cool. So you won the prize for the first formular to exactly calculate the ressource ratios. You solved the riddle! πππ βone small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind! |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 12:47:36 GMT
itβs still possible a bit less than 42.000 could be enough? Well, at least you know any combination of gold-metal-food beyond 42.000 meets the requirement. When Victoria doesnβt unlock its only a matter of rank/progress.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 17, 2020 12:47:47 GMT
What a shame - it must be 42000 - right - I was tired and copied a wrong number without checking. I changed the number in the main thread -_sorry - thank you Marshal Forwards! . Cool. So you won the prize for the first formular to exactly calculate the ressource ratios. You solved the riddle! πππ βone small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind! π As much as I found here 'serious' numbers in the forum - your post in HRE finish was the most useful BTW ππ½, it seems that this Tigger is not dependent on campaign stars. (For Asia IMO campaign success is important (assumed to be in 50β steps)) Your first run was with ~ 265β and the Tigger was the same - thanks for recording - and your correction! |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 17, 2020 13:08:08 GMT
itβs still possible a bit less than 42.000 could be enough? Well, at least you know any combination of gold-metal-food beyond 42.000 meets the requirement. When Victoria doesnβt unlock its only a matter of rank/progress.Β I tested: 9999π° 3000π§ 9999π = 800 years 9999π° 3002π§ 9999π β 850 years |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 13:41:37 GMT
itβs still possible a bit less than 42.000 could be enough? Well, at least you know any combination of gold-metal-food beyond 42.000 meets the requirement. When Victoria doesnβt unlock its only a matter of rank/progress. I tested: 9999π° 3000π§ 9999π = 800 years 9999π° 3002π§ 9999π β 850 years The numbers are from your quonquest? What was your progress at that point? You told me, I just canβt remember. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 17, 2020 14:23:26 GMT
I tested: 9999π° 3000π§ 9999π = 800 years 9999π° 3002π§ 9999π β 850 years The numbers are from your quonquest? What was your progress at that point? You told me, I just canβt remember. Dont laugh - I picked up Victoria just for the final battle (and each 2 missing SNS / coalition / eagle stars) 409 campaign stars. I just played the campaign and only princess. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 16:35:51 GMT
So, with your progress at almost maximum, the 42.000 coefficient can be considered the absolute minimum required. If anyone doesnβt unlock Victoria with this benchmark he only has to wait (until the end), or compensate a lower progress by a higher coefficient.
Finally you served the research by achieving her so late.π
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Apr 17, 2020 16:41:00 GMT
So, with your progress at almost maximum, the 42.000 coefficient can be considered the absolute minimum required. If anyone doesnβt unlock Victoria with this benchmark he only has to wait (until the end), or compensate a lower progress by a higher coefficient.Β Finally you served the research by achieving her so late.π If I get around to grinding for more items and *s, I may try a Victoria/Lan run while I'm at SNS's Fires of Revolution. Maybe we'll have more samples from me then. I fear that I may only be ready at the end of the year. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 17, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
If I get around to grinding for more items and *s, I may try a Victoria/Lan run while I'm at SNS's Fires of Revolution. Maybe we'll have more samples from me then. I fear that I may only be ready at the end of the year. You donβt need that much. I was so proud about the achievement, but I more and more believe I made it the βLan/Vic-for-dummiesβ way. (Iβll rename my report like that) The only thing I really recommend is speed. I didnβt waist rounds anywhere and ended with Isabella in Turkey just in time, so she wasnβt too fast. Golitsyn defeated Spain 3 round earlier, thatβs not much. Over 28-30 round 1 hex less cumulates. Only Sophia didnβt really need 4 hex, though it came handy. She moved across whole France after Rome. Iβd prefer move items over trainers. Always available, different than Diez, sellable when you come across him and switchable. Always remove the item before AI turn. I canβt prove it, but believe AI is more likely to leave buildings unprotected out of your reach. Each facility you capture without fight saves a round. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Apr 17, 2020 21:35:11 GMT
So, with your progress at almost maximum, the 42.000 coefficient can be considered the absolute minimum required. If anyone doesnβt unlock Victoria with this benchmark he only has to wait (until the end), or compensate a lower progress by a higher coefficient.Β Finally you served the research by achieving her so late.π If I get around to grinding for more items and *s, I may try a Victoria/Lan run while I'm at SNS's Fires of Revolution. Maybe we'll have more samples from me then. I fear that I may only be ready at the end of the year. I have beautiful news for you - it's no speed run !!! With maxed resources you can finish up to round 38! I just tested it. |
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