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Post by stoic on Jul 30, 2020 11:16:40 GMT
Well, my suggestion was to make a speed run contest out of them. But no-one supported this idea... Strange why  |
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Post by Hannibal Barca on Jul 30, 2020 11:23:14 GMT
With an end-game team every age would be a piece of cake, but the boredom ...
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 30, 2020 11:40:06 GMT
For new players just starting out, Mocty is the best gen to invest in at the start.
His healing is probably better than Joan. Also, he can be bought right off the bat as compared to Joan who can only be recruited at a later stage.
Unless you're planning on investing in Caesar from the start, Mocty's your one and only healer.
Being an Archer who can reduce the enemy's atk power, Mocty also has quite a nice skill set with a very good class (Robin's not so good against cav in Medival).
Besides other gens equipped with the "healing helmet", he is probably the only other gen who you can confidently throw right at the enemy in Conquest. Even the great Atilla starts to suffer if you throw him at too many enemies without sufficient support.
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Post by SolidLight on Jul 30, 2020 11:45:54 GMT
For new players just starting out, Mocty is the best gen to invest in at the start. His healing is probably better than Joan. Also, he can be bought right off the bat as compared to Joan who can only be recruited at a later stage. Unless you're planning on investing in Caesar from the start, Mocty's your one and only healer. Being an Archer who can reduce the enemy's atk power, Mocty also has quite a nice skill set with a very good class (Robin's not so good against cav in Medival). Besides other gens equipped with the "healing helmet", he is probably the only other gen who you can confidently throw right at the enemy in Conquest. Even the great Atilla starts to suffer if you throw him at too many enemies without sufficient support. For ArchCom. You invest in Attila or Caesar if you're going for CavCom or InfCom. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Jul 30, 2020 12:18:24 GMT
Well, my suggestion was to make a speed run contest out of them. But no-one supported this idea... Strange why If there was a World's Faster Conqueror title available I might have a go as nobody else would want to challenge whatever records were set But even then I'm still not sure it would be worth it! |
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Post by kanue on Jul 30, 2020 15:52:12 GMT
Regarding generals, I feel that Li Hongzhang is indispensable for ArcComm team and I will even pick him over Nobunaga purely because of the Comm skill. With two Titan and Paladin gear on him and Nelson, I can keep the ArcComm activated about 75% of the time given that there are enemies to attack. In my opinion, the only reason that keeps him from being pink is the fact that the comes late.
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Post by andrei on Jul 30, 2020 16:00:16 GMT
Regarding generals, I feel that Li Hongzhang is indispensable for ArcComm team and I will even pick him over Nobunaga purely because of the Comm skill. With two Titan and Paladin gear on him and Nelson, I can keep the ArcComm activated about 75% of the time given that there are enemies to attack. In my opinion, the only reason that keeps him from being pink is the fact that the comes late. The only reason why Nelson purple and Li is blue is because of Nelson's stats. Otherwise yeah, Li is super valuable and deserves purple tier. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jul 30, 2020 16:26:22 GMT
kanue, andrei. Hm. I might give Li pink honestly. Yeah the biggest weaknesses of both of them is their terrible availability, but Nelson is not that much better than Li in this regard, and they’re both indispensable in an ArchCom team. Basically it comes down to 1-3 range + better stats vs double anti-cav damage + Leadership. Honestly the former still sounds better imo, ArchCom already has huge anti-cavalry damage so I don’t see +100% anti-cav damage being that big of a boon. And you already have Nobunaga for the cripple job. The alternative for Nelsons niche is Robin Hood and he’s bad at this point.
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Post by stoic on Jul 30, 2020 17:10:17 GMT
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Post by SolidLight on Jul 30, 2020 17:19:13 GMT
The only con that isn’t detailed in that analysis is that he joins extremely late. Availability is a huge factor in evaluating generals that seems strangely ignored in other threads. Maybe it’s because gunpowder and industrial are really hard, but you have to actually get there with some generals. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 30, 2020 17:42:38 GMT
The only con that isn’t detailed in that analysis is that he joins extremely late. Availability is a huge factor in evaluating generals that seems strangely ignored in other threads. Maybe it’s because gunpowder and industrial are really hard, but you have to actually get there with some generals. I agree, but there is another side of the coin as well... Since he is lvl 5 we don't need to invest heavily into his ascension. Saladin is a free general, but if we decide to take him through ages it will cost us quite a sum. The same is even more true in case of Alex. And if we compare Nelson and Li there is one important point. Abilities our generals receive at lvl 6 are very important, and Li has an excellent 100% bonus against cavalry. Nelson has his longbow, but truth be told it is very situational. We really need a cavalry killer late in the game and Li fits in perfectly: Commander plus leadership plus 100% damage bonus. We really don't have many good archers in early ages, but most of the time Nobunaga will do the job and later on we have a good choice between Commanders. |
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Post by andrei on Jul 30, 2020 18:25:48 GMT
The only con that isn’t detailed in that analysis is that he joins extremely late. Availability is a huge factor in evaluating generals that seems strangely ignored in other threads. Maybe it’s because gunpowder and industrial are really hard, but you have to actually get there with some generals. I agree, but there is another side of the coin as well... Since he is lvl 5 we don't need to invest heavily into his ascension. Saladin is a free general, but if we decide to take him through ages it will cost us quite a sum. The same is even more true in case of Alex. And if we compare Nelson and Li there is one important point. Abilities our generals receive at lvl 6 are very important, and Li has an excellent 100% bonus against cavalry. Nelson has his longbow, but truth be told it is very situational. We really need a cavalry killer late in the game and Li fits in perfectly: Commander plus leadership plus 100% damage bonus. We really don't have many good archers in early ages, but most of the time Nobunaga will do the job and later on we have a good choice between Commanders. Well, it depends on Your lineup by the time You are able to hire li and Nelson. Iirc remember Erich von Manstein was very positive about Jhansi, and to have 3 archer commander is quite difficult to place them against the enemies in order to benefit from the Commander skill. So if You have Jhansi You probably don't need Li (?) as Nelson makes Your life much easier in Volgograd. I use both Li and Nelson and never used Jhansi as she is much much weaker and inconvinient to play in the end-game missions like Panama, Wuhan, Volgograd etc |
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Post by stoic on Jul 30, 2020 19:12:42 GMT
I agree, but there is another side of the coin as well... Since he is lvl 5 we don't need to invest heavily into his ascension. Saladin is a free general, but if we decide to take him through ages it will cost us quite a sum. The same is even more true in case of Alex. And if we compare Nelson and Li there is one important point. Abilities our generals receive at lvl 6 are very important, and Li has an excellent 100% bonus against cavalry. Nelson has his longbow, but truth be told it is very situational. We really need a cavalry killer late in the game and Li fits in perfectly: Commander plus leadership plus 100% damage bonus. We really don't have many good archers in early ages, but most of the time Nobunaga will do the job and later on we have a good choice between Commanders. Well, it depends on Your lineup by the time You are able to hire li and Nelson. Iirc remember Erich von Manstein was very positive about Jhansi, and to have 3 archer commander is quite difficult to place them against the enemies in order to benefit from the Commander skill. So if You have Jhansi You probably don't need Li (?) as Nelson makes Your life much easier in Volgograd. I use both Li and Nelson and never used Jhansi as she is much much weaker and inconvinient to play in the end-game missions like Panama, Wuhan, Volgograd etc She is a good substitute for Li or Nelson before we could get them. If I remember correctly we need only 2000 medals to upgrade her rank and 2 skills. I used her in Industrial age campaigns including Stambul, but eventually replaced her with Nelson, who was quite expensive to upgrade... |
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Post by stoic on Jul 30, 2020 19:22:10 GMT
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Post by andrei on Jul 30, 2020 19:50:17 GMT
Yeah, I saw it. I just don't know whether it is RNG because of the inf gen movement or viable every try strategy. Unfortunately Max didn't explain in a more detailed way. In my strategy I was focusing on the way when I overwhelm the enemies on each front so the mission wouldn't depend on RNG. Of course it is great when You beat it due to luck, but I am not very lucky Countless attempts You know |
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