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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 12:44:11 GMT
Where was that mountainous terrain? Carpethians? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 12:47:18 GMT
Where was that mountainous terrain? Carpethians? No, I meant the Caucasus mountains. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 12:48:25 GMT
Where was that mountainous terrain? Carpethians? No, I meant the Caucasus mountains. Who were they fighting in the Caucasusian Mountains? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 12:53:35 GMT
Do you know why the Caucasus campaign failed? No, I don't. It failed because after the encirclement of the 6. Army at Stalingrad there was a hole in the German defence and the Soviets threatened to cut off von Kluge's or von Kleist's (I don't remember which one, I think I remember von Kluge attacking the Stalin line) forces (operation Little Saturn). Because of this threat von K asked Hitler to retreat and Hitler agreed. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 12:54:03 GMT
No, I meant the Caucasus mountains. Who were they fighting in the Caucasusian Mountains? The Germans were fighting the Soviets. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 12:55:37 GMT
Who were they fighting in the Caucasusian Mountains? The Germans were fighting the Soviets. Germans never reached anywhere close to Caucasian mountains in ww2 (they reached it in 1918 though). |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 12:57:29 GMT
It failed because after the encirclement of the 6. Army at Stalingrad there was a hole in the German defence and the Soviets threatened to cut off von Kluge's or von Kleist's (I don't remember which one, I think I remember von Kluge attacking the Stalin line) forces (operation Little Saturn). Because of this threat von K asked Hitler to retreat and Hitler agreed. Well, what if Germans won in Caucasus before their army was encircled in Stalingrad ( I remember battle of Stalingrad lasted for 6 months). |
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Post by Emilio Mola on Jul 31, 2021 13:03:58 GMT
1. Only to be invaded by British. 2. No, that is outright untrue. 1. The vast majority of colonists were in support of the advantages that came with being a British Colony. A war successful could show the British throne that, although they would remain British, they didn't have to. 2. Okay, I will concede here, I only know bare details about Federalsists and Anti-Federalists. However, I do know that Jefferson was an Anti Federalist who moved over to supporting the Constitution. 1. Colonies would have lost without the French and Spainish support, Congress was broke, and if it hadn't been for George Washington, Revolution would have been crushed by 1779-80. 2. He supported constitution but he wanted the federal government to be as weak as possible. He had seen the mess that the United States were before the constitution. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 13:21:21 GMT
It failed because after the encirclement of the 6. Army at Stalingrad there was a hole in the German defence and the Soviets threatened to cut off von Kluge's or von Kleist's (I don't remember which one, I think I remember von Kluge attacking the Stalin line) forces (operation Little Saturn). Because of this threat von K asked Hitler to retreat and Hitler agreed. Well, what if Germans won in Caucasus before their army was encircled in Stalingrad ( I remember battle of Stalingrad lasted for 6 months). 1. The Germans literally conquered the highest mountain in Europe and in the Caucasus, Semjon Budjoni retreated to the Caucasus mountains for a more defensible defence line. 2. And to what if they had won before the defeat in Stalingrad, well they didn't so why would have they without the Crimean campaign. Also if they had taken the oil fields it wouldn't have taken out the risk of being cut off. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 13:26:34 GMT
Well, what if Germans won in Caucasus before their army was encircled in Stalingrad ( I remember battle of Stalingrad lasted for 6 months). 1. The Germans literally conquered the highest mountain in Europe and in the Caucasus, Semjon Budjoni retreated to the Caucasus mountains for a more defensible defence line. 2. And to what if they had won before the defeat in Stalingrad, well they didn't so why would have they without the Crimean campaign. Also if they had taken the oil fields it wouldn't have taken out the risk of being cut off. 1. I was wrong, they reached northern Caucasus. 2. They would have not lost the valuable resources that they did during crimean campaign. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 13:30:08 GMT
1. The Germans literally conquered the highest mountain in Europe and in the Caucasus, Semjon Budjoni retreated to the Caucasus mountains for a more defensible defence line. 2. And to what if they had won before the defeat in Stalingrad, well they didn't so why would have they without the Crimean campaign. Also if they had taken the oil fields it wouldn't have taken out the risk of being cut off. 1. I was wrong, they reached Caucasus. 2. They would have not lost the valuable resources that they did during crimean campaign. But so hadn't the Soviets the Soviets suffered more casualties than the Axis in the Crimean campaign. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 13:34:01 GMT
1. I was wrong, they reached Caucasus. 2. They would have not lost the valuable resources that they did during crimean campaign. But so hadn't the Soviets the Soviets suffered more casualties than the Axis in the Crimean campaign. So? Either they would evacuate which gives them Crimea without fight or they would stand there which would tie them down anyway. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 13:36:45 GMT
But so hadn't the Soviets the Soviets suffered more casualties than the Axis in the Crimean campaign. So? Either they would evacuate which gives them Crimea without fight or they would stand there which would tie them down anyway. But you lose your point of the Germans saving material. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 31, 2021 13:41:20 GMT
So? Either they would evacuate which gives them Crimea without fight or they would stand there which would tie them down anyway. But you lose your point of the Germans saving material. Why? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 31, 2021 13:42:53 GMT
But you lose your point of the Germans saving material. Why? Because the Soviets would save material as well. |
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