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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 15, 2021 22:41:42 GMT
Zhukov,Patton or any allied general has everything to use but axis general's has limited resources most of the time. Axis Generals came up with creative ideas while only Zhukov and Dowding came up with something creative ( Patton copied Blitzkrieg tactics) 1. What did they come up with? Zhukov copied Voroshilov's Winter War tactics, while fighter interception was nothing new. 2. To be fair, Guderian copied Liddell Hart's tank tactics. Voroshilov failed miserably when he fought the winter war! Semyon Timoshenko had to clear everything up! You mean Voroshilov's idea to use GREEN TANKS against a white background? |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 15, 2021 22:45:35 GMT
Most underrated general imo , Karl Mannerheim cant say no to that one. Who knows how to hold off Soviet attacks (from a terribly incompetent general) for a surprisingly long time? Mannerheim knows! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 1:48:25 GMT
Most underrated general imo , Karl Mannerheim cant say no to that one. Who knows how to hold off Soviet attacks (from a terribly incompetent general) for a surprisingly long time? Mannerheim knows! His defence line was very well designed. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 1:26:18 GMT
Another great gen was Bernard Montgomery (not really). He was like a Rommel with none of the finesse or flair. I'm not one to bring up old disputes, but Monty better than Patton. Change my mind. Great job Panicking at Kasserine Patton! Great job taking the easier route at Sicily and then rubbing it in Monty's face when you got to Messina 2 hours before him! Patton wasn't in command at Kasserine! |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 12:34:38 GMT
I'm not one to bring up old disputes, but Monty better than Patton. Change my mind. Great job Panicking at Kasserine Patton! Great job taking the easier route at Sicily and then rubbing it in Monty's face when you got to Messina 2 hours before him! Patton wasn't in command at Kasserine! He was in command of the American Troops in Africa, correct? The bulk of the American troops that were not just landing was led by PAtton, as well as panicking before Rommel's very own Kharkov. I do not like Patton either way. Literally the only thing that kept Kasserine from being an immense failure was Alexander's wait to tell everyone "shut the hell up, and calm down!" |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 12:38:52 GMT
Patton wasn't in command at Kasserine! He was in command of the American Troops in Africa, correct? The bulk of the American troops that were not just landing was led by PAtton, as well as panicking before Rommel's very own Kharkov. I do not like Patton either way. Literally the only thing that kept Kasserine from being an immense failure was Alexander's wait to tell everyone "shut the hell up, and calm down!" He was put into command after Kasserine, Fredenall was in charge. Also, I agree that Kasserine was a disaster and that Alexander was an excellent commander, but I believe that the main reason it didn't end as badly as it might've was because of the German supplies, or lack thereof. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 12:50:43 GMT
He was in command of the American Troops in Africa, correct? The bulk of the American troops that were not just landing was led by PAtton, as well as panicking before Rommel's very own Kharkov. I do not like Patton either way. Literally the only thing that kept Kasserine from being an immense failure was Alexander's wait to tell everyone "shut the hell up, and calm down!" He was put into command after Kasserine, Fredenall was in charge. Also, I agree that Kasserine was a disaster and that Alexander was an excellent commander, but I believe that the main reason it didn't end as badly as it might've was because of the German supplies, or lack thereof. The Germans definitely were short on supplies thanks to Cunningham, but that seemed only to be a minor problem for Rommel. he knew he was going to eventually lose in Africa, and he knew the ships crossing back into Italy were going to be sunk, so why not one last clever attack? He made some heroes out of that attack too. Any British soldier who claimed to be in the battle of Longstop was given undisputable admiration. Any American who claimed he fought at Cap Bon was treated like a god. I also thought Patton landed in Casablanca with the American troops. Well, I guess I'm going to have to edit the dialogue in Operation Torch. Who was in charge of the Stranded Whale at Anzio? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 12:53:23 GMT
He was put into command after Kasserine, Fredenall was in charge. Also, I agree that Kasserine was a disaster and that Alexander was an excellent commander, but I believe that the main reason it didn't end as badly as it might've was because of the German supplies, or lack thereof. The Germans definitely were short on supplies thanks to Cunningham, but that seemed only to be a minor problem for Rommel. he knew he was going to eventually lose in Africa, and he knew the ships crossing back into Italy were going to be sunk, so why not one last clever attack? He made some heroes out of that attack too. Any British soldier who claimed to be in the battle of Longstop was given undisputable admiration. Any American who claimed he fought at Cap Bon was treated like a god. I also thought Patton landed in Casablanca with the American troops. Well, I guess I'm going to have to edit the dialogue in Operation Torch. Who was in charge of the Stranded Whale at Anzio? Stranded Whale was John Lucas under Mark Clark, and Cunningham could have been the biggest dolt in the world and the British still would have won the supply battle. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 13:02:38 GMT
The Germans definitely were short on supplies thanks to Cunningham, but that seemed only to be a minor problem for Rommel. he knew he was going to eventually lose in Africa, and he knew the ships crossing back into Italy were going to be sunk, so why not one last clever attack? He made some heroes out of that attack too. Any British soldier who claimed to be in the battle of Longstop was given undisputable admiration. Any American who claimed he fought at Cap Bon was treated like a god. I also thought Patton landed in Casablanca with the American troops. Well, I guess I'm going to have to edit the dialogue in Operation Torch. Who was in charge of the Stranded Whale at Anzio? Stranded Whale was John Lucas under Mark Clark, and Cunningham could have been the biggest dolt in the world and the British still would have won the supply battle. lmao, what abt Raeder? Didnt he do anything? Wait Mark Clark as in the Clark? The dude who has the most stars of any non-paying generals in WC3? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 13:04:46 GMT
Stranded Whale was John Lucas under Mark Clark, and Cunningham could have been the biggest dolt in the world and the British still would have won the supply battle. lmao, what abt Raeder? Didnt he do anything? Wait Mark Clark as in the Clark? The dude who has the most stars of any non-paying generals in WC3? Raeder, he tried, but didn't have nearly enough materiel. Also yes, the Clark. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 13:56:37 GMT
lmao, what abt Raeder? Didnt he do anything? Wait Mark Clark as in the Clark? The dude who has the most stars of any non-paying generals in WC3? Raeder, he tried, but didn't have nearly enough materiel. Also yes, the Clark. imagine the Mark Clark failing. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 14:00:19 GMT
Raeder, he tried, but didn't have nearly enough materiel. Also yes, the Clark. imagine the Mark Clark failing. Imagine the Rommel failing, or Manstein |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 14:49:06 GMT
imagine the Mark Clark failing. Imagine the Rommel failing, or Manstein Erich Von Manstein never failed. The only reason why he lost The Battle Of Kursk was because Hitler removed almost all of his forces to send to Africa. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 14:50:38 GMT
Imagine the Rommel failing, or Manstein Erich Von Manstein never failed. The only reason why he lost The Battle Of Kursk was because Hitler removed almost all of his forces to send to Africa. LOL, moving forces from the east to go to Africa? That's hilarious! And no, Manstein never failed majorly. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Mar 17, 2021 14:57:13 GMT
Erich Von Manstein never failed. The only reason why he lost The Battle Of Kursk was because Hitler removed almost all of his forces to send to Africa. LOL, moving forces from the east to go to Africa? That's hilarious! And no, Manstein never failed majorly. Im pretty sure everyone knows this, but Manstein was actually fired by Hitler for disobeying orders lmao, and when Guderian disobeyed orders and took tanks out of Bock and Hoth's forces in the north to capture Smolensk, Hitler was actually OK with that. |
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