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Post by HangryBird on Apr 28, 2021 19:18:12 GMT
Of course Roko has more damage against tanks. I don't know if you read what I wrote, but I just said that Monty has more damage against infantry. I read but isnt it just +5 damage. I'll have to repeat what I said again since you did not read. You called Roko a "serial killer" against infantry. I'm specifically asking why doesn't Monty get the same honor when he hits harder against infantry. 5 damage can add up with each extra attack. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Apr 29, 2021 4:17:02 GMT
We have Patton is best for m.tank (thanks for blitzkrieg) and Roko/Monty are for H.tank (because of PL)
Monty skills are really trash IMO, only 1 value skill is PL (Ace is useless when you already started with lvl 6 units; and I rarely use replenish in game; recruit is always better choice), air stars is not a clear advantage for a tank general.
For a heavy tank, +5 atk on inf doesn't make a big change while you still can 1 shoot 1 kill (a stack of unit) while the unit has its own buff and can attack continuously. But 24% additional damage on tank is a big deal while the main mission for Heavy tank are Inf sweaper and M.tank dealer. Lower damage on Artillery is a disadvantage but not too much.
Roko isn't completely stronger than Monty but get more advantage to be the best choice for H.Tank.
I also wonder why Monty in every game of ET can't get enough strength (although always be a top tier gen) he deserves by his talent and contribution in WW2.
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Post by NotRandom on Apr 29, 2021 4:53:20 GMT
We have Patton is best for m.tank (thanks for blitzkrieg) and Roko/Monty are for H.tank (because of PL) Monty skills are really trash IMO, only 1 value skill is PL (Ace is useless when you already started with lvl 6 units; and I rarely use replenish in game; recruit is always better choice), air stars is not a clear advantage for a tank general. For a heavy tank, +5 atk on inf doesn't make a big change while you still can 1 shoot 1 kill (a stack of unit) while the unit has its own buff and can attack continuously. But 24% additional damage on tank is a big deal while the main mission for Heavy tank are Inf sweaper and M.tank dealer. Lower damage on Artillery is a disadvantage but not too much. Roko isn't completely stronger than Monty but get more advantage to be the best choice for H.Tank. I also wonder why Monty in every game of ET can't get enough strength (although always be a top tier gen) he deserves by his talent and contribution in WW2. It's interesting, really. Guderian on the other hand is always op despite him being a mediocre general irl. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Apr 29, 2021 6:28:32 GMT
We have Patton is best for m.tank (thanks for blitzkrieg) and Roko/Monty are for H.tank (because of PL) Monty skills are really trash IMO, only 1 value skill is PL (Ace is useless when you already started with lvl 6 units; and I rarely use replenish in game; recruit is always better choice), air stars is not a clear advantage for a tank general. For a heavy tank, +5 atk on inf doesn't make a big change while you still can 1 shoot 1 kill (a stack of unit) while the unit has its own buff and can attack continuously. But 24% additional damage on tank is a big deal while the main mission for ve Heavy tank are Inf sweaper and M.tank dealer. Lower damage on Artillery is a disadvantage but not too much. Roko isn't completely stronger than Monty but get more advantage to be the best choice for H.Tank. I also wonder why Monty in every game of ET can't get enough strength (although always be a top tier gen) he deserves by his talent and contribution in WW2. It's interesting, really. Guderian on the other hand is always op despite him being a mediocre general irl. irl guderian was not a good general however the new generation has a wrong view of him being a master of panzers. Guderian was sacked by hitler during operation typhoon. Monty never deserves a good profile imo. He had way more soldiers, than rommel but still he managed to defeat poor supplied afrika div. and italians in insane 3 years. N African campaign wasnt a decisive front aswell. No one really cared about that front including hitler who sent very few supplies(was definitely the right thing to do.) September of 1944 when USSR was crushing german lines one after another monty’s forces combined with americans couldnt even defeat 20k germans although they had 100% air supremacy.( If there was no patton, allied forces probably couldnt even have crossed the rhine because monty and other allied gens were extremely cautious and afraid of high casualties. Patton was the guy who promoted launching assaults. He even wanted to continue allied advance and beat USSR and he had some serious arguments with eisenhower. )So easytech is right about making monty a mediocre gen, not perfect. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Apr 29, 2021 6:36:58 GMT
I read but isnt it just +5 damage. I'll have to repeat what I said again since you did not read. You called Roko a "serial killer" against infantry. I'm specifically asking why doesn't Monty get the same honor when he hits harder against infantry. 5 damage can add up with each extra attack. English is not my main language and I couldnt explain I guess. In my first post I said gangs of inf. and arm. cars.It is very rare to face pure inf divisions. I mean, I didnt called roko a serial killer against solely infantry. I said armored stuff aswell. In some missions it wants you to kill a big heavy tank boss with gens like rommel on it and roko can kill much faster. And these bosses generally has some infantry protecting it so with a kv-6 you can hit 3 targets in one shot and if you are lucky with PL you can just make a serial kill against armor and inf. If you are facing against sole inf then of course monty with better xp gain will deal better damage. I hope I managed to explain:) |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 29, 2021 6:48:52 GMT
I'll have to repeat what I said again since you did not read. You called Roko a "serial killer" against infantry. I'm specifically asking why doesn't Monty get the same honor when he hits harder against infantry. 5 damage can add up with each extra attack. English is not my main language and I couldnt explain I guess. In my first post I said gangs of inf. and arm. cars.It is very rare to face pure inf divisions. I mean, I didnt called roko a serial killer against solely infantry. I said armored stuff aswell. In some missions it wants you to kill a big heavy tank boss with gens like rommel on it and roko can kill much faster. And these bosses generally has some infantry protecting it so with a kv-6 you can hit 3 targets in one shot and if you are lucky with PL you can just make a serial kill against armor and inf. If you are facing against sole inf then of course monty with better xp gain will deal better damage. I hope I managed to explain:) I already know that Roko is good against tanks; you don't need to repeat it. The thing is that you're putting infantry and armor together again; my question pertains to infantry specifically. When you use the word "and", it means that the two clauses both apply to the subject; they can apply together and separately. |
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Post by Erwin Rommel '44 on May 1, 2021 17:10:11 GMT
Is Halsey and Nimitz bad because they have ace forces? No. You can't just judge a general based on one skill; You must take into account all the stats and skills. As I've said before, I personally don't like Roko because he has +15 damage against non-tank enemies and his machinist is only 25%. Monty has +20 and 50% machinist. 5 more damage matters when you are doing extra attacks. 25% machinist doesn't heal enough in my opinion. Nimitz>>> The best nav gen without doubt(for allies) Halsey>>> The best carrier gen without doubt(for allies) So these two doesnt have any alternatives and we assume that they are good gens. But there are many alternatives for monty. Vatutin,Roko and Patton. And when I make a comparison between them Roko( for heavies)and patton(for meds) seems like the best option to me. Roko is a serial killer against inf gangs and arm. cars while patton is great on med tanks.( Btw I dont think there will be much gameplay difference if you choose monty over roko or anyone else. the gens that I choose are only “slightly” better than monty, just a little bit imo.) What about Rommel? I mean I know that Roko gas tge Kv6 which is a beast on basically anybody, but Rommel on a heavy can swipe out the infantry, because he has tge extra attack skill and the 50% chance to strike again? |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 1, 2021 18:08:30 GMT
Nimitz>>> The best nav gen without doubt(for allies) Halsey>>> The best carrier gen without doubt(for allies) So these two doesnt have any alternatives and we assume that they are good gens. But there are many alternatives for monty. Vatutin,Roko and Patton. And when I make a comparison between them Roko( for heavies)and patton(for meds) seems like the best option to me. Roko is a serial killer against inf gangs and arm. cars while patton is great on med tanks.( Btw I dont think there will be much gameplay difference if you choose monty over roko or anyone else. the gens that I choose are only “slightly” better than monty, just a little bit imo.) What about Rommel? I mean I know that Roko gas tge Kv6 which is a beast on basically anybody, but Rommel on a heavy can swipe out the infantry, because he has tge extra attack skill and the 50% chance to strike again? You cant play kv-6 with rommel. KV-6 is a crazy experimental soviet battleship tank and the gen that goes best is roko. Rommel with max maus and guderian with med panther are the best combos. Rommel could have been the best tank guy if. he had anti-armor instead of desert.guderian is number 1 for axis tank. ( ı perfect cleared desert campaigns without rommel) but I bought him in 44 europe |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 1, 2021 19:05:47 GMT
What about Rommel? I mean I know that Roko gas tge Kv6 which is a beast on basically anybody, but Rommel on a heavy can swipe out the infantry, because he has tge extra attack skill and the 50% chance to strike again? You cant play kv-6 with rommel. KV-6 is a crazy experimental soviet battleship tank and the gen that goes best is roko. Rommel with max maus and guderian with med panther are the best combos. Rommel could have been the best tank guy if. he had anti-armor instead of desert.guderian is number 1 for axis tank. ( ı perfect cleared desert campaigns without rommel) but I bought him in 44 europe saying that Rommel is no good on KV-6 is like saying that Leeb sucks on Katyusha, or that Govorov is no good on a Karl. |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 1, 2021 19:10:56 GMT
English is not my main language and I couldnt explain I guess. In my first post I said gangs of inf. and arm. cars.It is very rare to face pure inf divisions. I mean, I didnt called roko a serial killer against solely infantry. I said armored stuff aswell. In some missions it wants you to kill a big heavy tank boss with gens like rommel on it and roko can kill much faster. And these bosses generally has some infantry protecting it so with a kv-6 you can hit 3 targets in one shot and if you are lucky with PL you can just make a serial kill against armor and inf. If you are facing against sole inf then of course monty with better xp gain will deal better damage. I hope I managed to explain:) I already know that Roko is good against tanks; you don't need to repeat it. The thing is that you're putting infantry and armor together again; my question pertains to infantry specifically. When you use the word "and", it means that the two clauses both apply to the subject; they can apply together and separately. Imagine caring abt tank generals. arty gens are better. If you play AG, put Govorov in Heavy Arty, and then send a bunch of Dragoon Corps or Prince Eugen ahead of him, and he is terrifying. I still have not bought any tank gens lol. Half of all the axis free generals are tanks, while you can easily get by on Leclerc and Timoshenko in the few allied missions where tanks make a difference. Sure, you'll want one for endgame, but Guderian and Monty should be enough for me. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 1, 2021 19:42:51 GMT
I already know that Roko is good against tanks; you don't need to repeat it. The thing is that you're putting infantry and armor together again; my question pertains to infantry specifically. When you use the word "and", it means that the two clauses both apply to the subject; they can apply together and separately. Imagine caring abt tank generals. arty gens are better. If you play AG, put Govorov in Heavy Arty, and then send a bunch of Dragoon Corps or Prince Eugen ahead of him, and he is terrifying. I still have not bought any tank gens lol. Half of all the axis free generals are tanks, while you can easily get by on Leclerc and Timoshenko in the few allied missions where tanks make a difference. Sure, you'll want one for endgame, but Guderian and Monty should be enough for me. Why monty? I dont know why people like monty more than rokossovsky. Rokossovsky is better, monty will struggle badly against tanks with his trash 2 skills as someone said above |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 1, 2021 19:44:51 GMT
Imagine caring abt tank generals. arty gens are better. If you play AG, put Govorov in Heavy Arty, and then send a bunch of Dragoon Corps or Prince Eugen ahead of him, and he is terrifying. I still have not bought any tank gens lol. Half of all the axis free generals are tanks, while you can easily get by on Leclerc and Timoshenko in the few allied missions where tanks make a difference. Sure, you'll want one for endgame, but Guderian and Monty should be enough for me. Why monty? I dont know why people like monty more than rokossovsky. Rokossovsky is better, monty will struggle badly against tanks with his trash 2 skills as someone said above *cough* air force hybrid *cough* mechanist *cough* panzer leader *cough* |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 1, 2021 19:51:33 GMT
Why monty? I dont know why people like monty more than rokossovsky. Rokossovsky is better, monty will struggle badly against tanks with his trash 2 skills as someone said above *cough* air force hybrid *cough* mechanist *cough* panzer leader *cough* roko has pl as well. I never put my main HT gen on airport. Roko has a silver machinist and HT generally preserves its inital health. Rokos anti armor shines. Anti Armor>>>>>> ace forces( the worst skill in tha game, its real BS that the best gens in the game has it.) |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 1, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
*cough* air force hybrid *cough* mechanist *cough* panzer leader *cough* roko has pl as well. I never put my main HT gen on airport. Roko has a silver machinist and HT generally preserves its inital health. OK, Monty is better for defense. Roko is better for attack. I have enough free tank generals that can attack for me. In ET games, if you know how to use Monty, then he can top Guderian. |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 1, 2021 19:59:19 GMT
*cough* air force hybrid *cough* mechanist *cough* panzer leader *cough* roko has pl as well. I never put my main HT gen on airport. Roko has a silver machinist and HT generally preserves its inital health. Rokos anti armor shines. Anti Armor>>>>>> ace forces( the worst skill in tha game, its real BS that the best gens in the game has it.) BaCk In My DaY AcE FoRcEs WaS a PrEtTy DaM GoOd SkIlL. I don't really like HT anyway. Too squishy. You know what, I'll just get Patton. I hate him, but y'all be forcin' me to :( |
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