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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 28, 2021 14:01:01 GMT
Sentry Takes of an additional 10% damage when not paired with any equipment on a legionnaire. I think you overestimate Inspire. In the case of Drusus, it's the only thing going for him. It can just as easily be replaced with a gold ring, Laurel Crown, or Dragon Tripod. That being said, it is still the best talent in the game, just it doesn't make or break a general. Just by giving to Drusus a crossbow we can increase his crit rate up to 35/40 percent. It is insane. It is more than enough reason to like him. Moreover generals with high moral have an increased chance that their attack will be critical. Commius doesn't have a single ability to increase his crit rate, yet 2 or 3 out of 10 his attacks are critical. High morale gives an extra 5 or 10% crit rate. I think you are very lucky with Commius. On Drusus, the Crit Rate and High Morale is all he has! He lacks both output and Survivability, both of which I prefer to Crit Rate. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 28, 2021 14:03:44 GMT
Rings are useless, since they don't prevent the the drop of moral every time a general lost a unit, is in unfavorable position or surrounded, or there is a script for moral decrease. So,there are only two reliable items - crown and tripod. And there is always a space left behind: 1. If we give a crown to someone without high moral, that means we can't give to him anything else. While just by giving a purchased for coins Pompeii glaudius to Commius we can increase his attack by 15 points. 2. As yuanzhong said, we can always give these precious items to someone else, increasing thus the number of happy generals. And happy generals win the day  1. Yes, but They certainly help my generals. A Dolabella with a gold ring is almost better than Drusus. 2. That's true, but I would prefer a talent to a Pompeii Gladius. 3. There are 11 morale Items. I'm sure we have enough. 1. I am glad that you find rings somewhat useful, in my personal experience they are just a waste of space, and it is good to know, that someone could make any use of them. 2. There are few talents in the game worth of regular 15 points attack bonus. 3. The number of items isn't that important. The most important thing is how many of them we really use in the game |
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Post by stoic on Jul 28, 2021 14:08:38 GMT
High morale gives an extra 5 or 10% crit rate. I think you are very lucky with Commius. On Drusus, the Crit Rate and High Morale is all he has! He lacks both output and Survivability, both of which I prefer to Crit Rate. I see you don't have Drusus  His average output is insane. And, to tell the truth, I can't see how survivability of Drusus is worse than that of any other top archer in the game. It is actually BETTER because he has damage reduction from archers! |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 28, 2021 14:11:25 GMT
1. Yes, but They certainly help my generals. A Dolabella with a gold ring is almost better than Drusus. 2. That's true, but I would prefer a talent to a Pompeii Gladius. 3. There are 11 morale Items. I'm sure we have enough. 1. I am glad that you find rings somewhat useful, in my personal experience they are just a waste of space, and it is good to know, that someone could make any use of them. 2. There are few talents in the game worth of regular 15 points attack bonus. 3. The number of items isn't that important. The most important thing is how many of them we really use in the game 1. Hesitant thank you. 2. I disagree. I think Sentry, Masters, Inspire, and +50% XP are better. 3. *looks at all my generals having Morale items* Yeah, that. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 28, 2021 14:12:22 GMT
I see you don't have Drusus His average output is insane. And, to tell the truth, I can't see how survivability of Drusus is worse than that of any other top archer in the game. It is actually BETTER because he has damage reduction from archers! Nope. My only Archer is Dolabella. He does around as much damage as Rome and Han Drusus when he is in High Morale. I don't like Archers TBH. Geography is a good skill For Archers, especially with Mountain Fighting. I tried him out. If the guy you are comparing him to has High Morale, then he is a lot weaker. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 28, 2021 14:16:57 GMT
High morale gives an extra 5 or 10% crit rate. It looks like a second talent to me  |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jul 28, 2021 14:17:36 GMT
Umm, you use Drusus and Commmius, both who have 3 skills, and two of Drusus's skills are terrible, and arguably one of Commius's. Sertorius's other skills are top-tier. IMO, Intercept + Formation + Sentry + 100 medals > Inf Tactics + March + General + Tunnel. There are three possible objections: 1. Drusus and Commius always have high moral and therefore their damage is always high and reliable. The factor of the high moral is arguably the most important factor in the game. At least I evaluate it as such. 2. We have a whole bunch of good Infantry generals in the game for more or less same price. So, we are choosing between them. In this situation I think Sertorius with one useless skill is not in a favorable position. 3.As I said, I already have an Infantry general with a universal set of skills, namely Pompey. Then my purpose was to hire a narrow specialist, who is able to take fortified cities. I need him both for campaigns and speed runs. Finally, I think you overestimate the talant of Sertorius. I remember it was bugged, because Labienus has it too, and I tested it extensively. The difference between damage received with and without talent activated was not significant. I don't know, probably they fixed it, but further tests are needed. I don't think it's bugged. Defense is just quite a useless attribute that doesn't offer much. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 28, 2021 14:18:28 GMT
It looks like a second talent to me Yes, I like high morale, I just don't think a gen should have just High Morale, though. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jul 28, 2021 14:20:25 GMT
Yes, I like high morale, I just don't think a gen should have just High Morale, though. Exactly why nobody buys Ambiorix. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 28, 2021 14:22:42 GMT
There are three possible objections: 1. Drusus and Commius always have high moral and therefore their damage is always high and reliable. The factor of the high moral is arguably the most important factor in the game. At least I evaluate it as such. 2. We have a whole bunch of good Infantry generals in the game for more or less same price. So, we are choosing between them. In this situation I think Sertorius with one useless skill is not in a favorable position. 3.As I said, I already have an Infantry general with a universal set of skills, namely Pompey. Then my purpose was to hire a narrow specialist, who is able to take fortified cities. I need him both for campaigns and speed runs. Finally, I think you overestimate the talant of Sertorius. I remember it was bugged, because Labienus has it too, and I tested it extensively. The difference between damage received with and without talent activated was not significant. I don't know, probably they fixed it, but further tests are needed. I don't think it's bugged. Defense is just quite a useless attribute that doesn't offer much. Yeah, I agree, I tried to experiment with Great Hall upgrades and to increase defence by 4 or even 6 points is really almost unnoticeable. |
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Post by randomperson on Jul 28, 2021 18:59:58 GMT
I respect Sertorius as a hero of late Roman Republic, but I simply can't hire a general with a completely useless skill. It is a shame that they weakened so many interesting generals by giving them one trash skill. Besides, I was looking for a particular player, if we may say so, on a particular position in my team. I needed a general who is very good at capturing heavily defended cities. And no-one is as good in this respect as Crassus. Umm, you use Drusus and Commmius, both who have 3 skills, and two of Drusus's skills are terrible, and arguably one of Commius's. Sertorius's other skills are top-tier. IMO, Intercept + Formation + Sentry + 100 medals > Inf Tactics + March + General + Tunnel. Drusus and Commius are OP because of inspire. I do feel like Drusus has 1 skill but advantage is a pretty OP skill and it is active all the time because of inspire. Sentry just kinda stinks, Formation is absolutely useless, and counterattack isn't great. All Sertorius has going for him is intercept and siege (albeit at lvl 1 so really weak). Argument for why Crassus>Sertorius: 1. Price. Sure, Crassus costs 100 medals more, but is general rank and starts off with higher lvl skills. Now I will look into all skills and talents: 2. Counterattack=Counterattack. Not much to be said here. 3. Crassus Siege>=Sertorius Siege. Crassus just starts off at a much higher lvl of skill. 4. Tunnel=Intercept. You will be using Crassus on cities (or at least I use him on cities) so the extra damage is equivalent to if you only attack archers with Sertorius. 5. March>>>Formation. Formation is useless. The AI doesn't use trenches and trenches don't give that much bonuses anyway. March is one of the best skills in the game. You NEED speed in a lot of missions especially for perfect clears. Personally my vanguard is made up of pompey-commander-crassus-antony, all fast gens with march (with the exception of commander but he has hero). 6. Infantry Tactics>Sentry. Infantry Tactics gives you a flat 10% extra chance to crit which is a great talent. Sentry on the other hand is really bad. Based on the damage formulas, doubling your defense doesn't do a whole lot. And it's also only a 15% chance. The fasces of power is the 2nd lowest priced medal item (the only cheaper item is the absolutely useless pharoh's scepter) for a reason. Well, every single one of Sertorius' skills is inferior to Crassus so in this game Sertorius is weaker to Crassus. Sertorius was a much better general in real life, but he got severely nerfed in the game. |
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Post by randomperson on Jul 28, 2021 19:07:44 GMT
Rings are useless, since they don't prevent the the drop of moral every time a general lost a unit, is in unfavorable position or surrounded, or there is a script for moral decrease. So,there are only two reliable items - crown and tripod. And there is always a space left behind: 1. If we give a crown to someone without high moral, that means we can't give to him anything else. While just by giving a purchased for coins Pompeii glaudius to Commius we can increase his attack by 15 points. 2. As yuanzhong said, we can always give these precious items to someone else, increasing thus the number of happy generals. And happy generals win the day 1. Yes, but They certainly help my generals. A Dolabella with a gold ring is almost better than Drusus. 2. That's true, but I would prefer a talent to a Pompeii Gladius. 3. There are 11 morale Items. I'm sure we have enough. 1. Dolabella is in a situation where he isn't dirt cheap like trebonius, and he also isn't comparable with top gens. Drusus can be compared with Octavian and other top archers and is in a entirely different league. 2. idk what talent you're talking about, but I don't think there's a talent that gives you a reliable extra 15 attack points. 3. 9 out of the 11 morale items are gold rings. A gold ring is no where near as reliable as a talent. On Pacorus and Commius, they will most likely be fighting in the middle of a bunch of enemies. They will always have high morale while your gold ring gen will likely not. Also, the gold ring takes up a precious item slot which could be used to greatly benefit the attacking power of your general. |
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Post by randomperson on Jul 28, 2021 19:15:06 GMT
Exactly why nobody buys Ambiorix. I think the reason why nobody buys Ambiorix is because of his price. Pacorus is great because he's dirt cheap and great in early-mid game. Commius and Drusus are both solid endgame gens. Ambiorix falls in the middle so he is useless. It's 240 medals for a general that is Pacorus but 1. Has 6 potential stars vs Pacorus' 7 and 2. Instead of guerilla he has siege (Raid and torch are useless). I would say lvl 2 siege is better than lvl 1 guerilla but not by a lot. As you can see, Ambiorix is basically Pacorus but with 2.5x his price tag. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 29, 2021 7:30:49 GMT
20 days since the start of the game... I had rather a busy week, yet I continue to advance, and now I am able to farm the decisive battle of Civil war of liberators. That means 80 additional medals per day  |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jul 30, 2021 15:48:00 GMT
Civil war of the liberarors,is the best and easiest decicive battle for farming medals.
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His average output is insane. And, to tell the truth, I can't see how survivability of Drusus is worse than that of any other top archer in the game. It is actually BETTER because he has damage reduction from archers!
