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Post by stevke on Sept 16, 2021 11:39:32 GMT
So vote for the best allied and best axis panzer in a game. Not the best in the begining not in the end game, but overall best. Also do consider general's price.
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Post by 曹操 on Sept 16, 2021 11:44:07 GMT
In terms of survivability: Patton-Guderian
In terms of damage:Rommel-Vatutin
Also Monty (Nice star (3 star air can also be useful), Combination of vatutin + Roko (High damage and speed)
Rokossovsky (Cheap, speed, lower damage than Vatutin but still high, Better skill than Monty too)
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 12:25:57 GMT
Where is Rundstedt?? Not gonna lie, Rundstedt is actually who I would say is number one, cannot die at all, and has +10 damage. Like a better Bock. But can he stand up to Rommel's damage and speed? I would say yes. 50 gold is a lot for a stack, and although they can attack from a distance, making Blitz (and Fire Suppression*) useless, they still get attacked by enemies, so a health regen is amazing. I think it is worth the lost damage, because hey, on a Maus with promoted attack, he can still one-shot a stack of infantry.
*Why do I think Rundstedt is good if all he has is Plunder? And FS is bad? Well, FS has the unique capability in order to block significant damage if he wants to kill an Artillery stack, thus allowing him to gain HP. It is still no good in direct combat, but it allows easier health regain.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Sept 16, 2021 12:38:51 GMT
Well, there is a split between HT and MT generals, but I think that Guderian beats Rommel, Rommel just dies too early and for me, Guderian on a MT can outclass Rommel on an HT.
Then it's between Vatutin and Roko, but I say Roko, he's just so good, and PL really helps.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 13:03:54 GMT
Well, there is a split between HT and MT generals, but I think that Guderian beats Rommel, Rommel just dies too early and for me, Guderian on a MT can outclass Rommel on an HT. Then it's between Vatutin and Roko, but I say Roko, he's just so good, and PL really helps. I dare say that Hoth on an HT can outclass Guderian on an MT. There's just so much of a discrepancy between the two units. Rommel doesn't die quickly if you play slow and steady. He dies easily, yes, but so does Guderian with his useless Blitzkrieg and an Anti-Armor (which, I suppose, is fine on an HT, not in a med, though.) |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Sept 16, 2021 13:35:06 GMT
Overall best? For axis Id say guderian since he is great on MT, and good on heavy, (whereas rommel is fantastic on heavy, but mediocre-bad on medium), and for allies id say rokkoskovsky, since he has a great skill set, whereas montgomery has useless ace forces, and vatutin is very slow (but still excellent)
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 13:37:43 GMT
Overall best? For axis Id say guderian since he is great on MT, and good on heavy, (whereas rommel is fantastic on heavy, but mediocre-bad on medium), and for allies id say rokkoskovsky, since he has a great skill set, whereas montgomery has useless ace forces, and vatutin is very slow (but still excellent) I've always found that on Guderian and Rokossovsky, Anti-Armor doesn't do much. It was even thought by some to be bugged in the early stages of the game. Now that we know that it isn't it still doesn't do much. |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Sept 16, 2021 13:41:58 GMT
Overall best? For axis Id say guderian since he is great on MT, and good on heavy, (whereas rommel is fantastic on heavy, but mediocre-bad on medium), and for allies id say rokkoskovsky, since he has a great skill set, whereas montgomery has useless ace forces, and vatutin is very slow (but still excellent) I've always found that on Guderian and Rokossovsky, Anti-Armor doesn't do much. It was even thought by some to be bugged in the early stages of the game. Now that we know that it isn't it still doesn't do much. I think it is an excellent skill. On rokkoskovsky it allows him to be good against all enemies (except navy units) due to heavy tank already having bonus against infantry. And on guderian (who I always put on MT with Panther/44TAS) he becomes an anti-HT specialist, because of anti armor-blitzkrieg-and panther defense reduction skill. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 13:50:41 GMT
I've always found that on Guderian and Rokossovsky, Anti-Armor doesn't do much. It was even thought by some to be bugged in the early stages of the game. Now that we know that it isn't it still doesn't do much. I think it is an excellent skill. On rokkoskovsky it allows him to be good against all enemies (except navy units) due to heavy tank already having bonus against infantry. And on guderian (who I always put on MT with Panther/44TAS) he becomes an anti-HT specialist, because of anti armor-blitzkrieg-and panther defense reduction skill. WHY WOULD YOU ATTACK HT WITH MT AND NOT ARTILLERY?! THAT'S SUICIDE! (I AM VERY SORRY FOR CAPS) On Rokossovsky, he only does like 10 additional damage to tanks, while Monty does 5 to everything else, as well as having Gold Machinist. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:04:46 GMT
WHY WOULD YOU ATTACK HT WITH MT AND NOT ARTILLERY?! THAT'S SUICIDE! (I AM VERY SORRY FOR CAPS) On Rokossovsky, he only does like 10 additional damage to tanks, while Monty does 5 to everything else, as well as having Gold Machinist. Attacking a HT with a MT, provided you have Artillery support and a factory nearby, Is a very viable strategy. MT's are kind of a hybrid between a scout and an offenisve unit. You can use them in an attacking role, a flanking role or a scouting role depending on the mission you are in. Guderian's Blitzkrieg/AA combo makes him the ideal option to sneak up on a HT and take it out with support from Artillery. This allows Guderian to break a massive hole in the enemy's main forces and pave a path for your inf and HT gens to mop up the scraps while your frontal force moves along. At least, that's how I play. Remember, general choice and strategy all depends on play style. Their is no one size fits all guide to how to play this game. That's the fun of it. You can try out different playstyles and generals and see what you play best with. |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Sept 16, 2021 17:13:24 GMT
WHY WOULD YOU ATTACK HT WITH MT AND NOT ARTILLERY?! THAT'S SUICIDE! (I AM VERY SORRY FOR CAPS) On Rokossovsky, he only does like 10 additional damage to tanks, while Monty does 5 to everything else, as well as having Gold Machinist. Suicide? Guderian has blitzkrieg, Plus defense bonus from special forces, and his 160% health modifier. in addition heavy tanks have no damage modifier against armor, so its not crazy amounts of damage a MT will tank. on the subject of Rokossovsky, I dont like machinist at all really (although it is a small plus for montgomery, owing to him having it at a higher level), both have panzer leader lvl 2, and anti armor is far superior to ace forces, especially with max tech. |
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Sept 16, 2021 23:18:02 GMT
Ranking of non IAP panzer gens:
1) Guderian
2) Rommel
3) Patton
4) Mongomery
5) Rokosovsky
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 23:23:32 GMT
Ware is Rundstedt?
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Sept 16, 2021 23:33:32 GMT
why would you put him on a heavy tank if hes the best axis infantry general |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 16, 2021 23:36:00 GMT
why would you put him on a heavy tank if hes the best axis infantry general Because he's also the best axis Heavy Tank General. Plunder is so OP, it's crazy. |
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