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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 21:19:36 GMT
jupp, then there okay. would have fit inside group thread too
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 4, 2021 21:45:30 GMT
jupp, then there okay. would have fit inside group thread too Yeah, but it's impossible post seperate polls. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 17:28:19 GMT
Yeah, but it's impossible post seperate polls. I guess we could just discuss in this thread anyway Favourite prequel: Revenge of the Sith (I also really like TPM but ROTS has better action and world building) Favourite OT: A New Hope (I think ESB is slightly better but I don't like it as much, ANH has a simpler plot but executes it really well whereas ESB has more plot development but is a tiny bit slow for my tastes) Favourite Sequel: The Force Awakens (I really like how they set things up in this movie, it's a shame the other 2 sequels didn't develop its ideas at all) |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 5, 2021 17:34:29 GMT
Yeah, but it's impossible post seperate polls. I guess we could just discuss in this thread anyway Favourite prequel: Revenge of the Sith (I also really like TPM but ROTS has better action and world building) Favourite OT: A New Hope (I think ESB is slightly better but I don't like it as much, ANH has a simpler plot but executes it really well whereas ESB has more plot development but is a tiny bit slow for my tastes) Favourite Sequel: The Force Awakens (I really like how they set things up in this movie, it's a shame the other 2 sequels didn't develop its ideas at all) For me The Force Awakens is my favourite sequel, because it's the only one that's only terrible, not worse than terrible. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 17:35:21 GMT
i like the old episodes most. nowadays called 4,5 and 6
i dont think all newer episodes have the charm there lol ANH, ESB and ROJ had
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 18:41:22 GMT
i like the old episodes most. nowadays called 4,5 and 6 i dont think all newer episodes have the charm there lol ANH, ESB and ROJ had True, my favourite movies were the prequels cause I grew up with them, but I agree that the original trilogy was the best. (Although I think ROTJ is worse than a couple non-OT movies) |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 18:42:58 GMT
For me The Force Awakens is my favourite sequel, because it's the only one that's only terrible, not worse than terrible. Ye, my 2 least favourite movies in the saga are TLJ and TROS, but imo TLJ is slightly better than TROS and maybe even Episodes 1 and 2 (although 1 and 2 are two of my favourite movies). If you asked me which movies I thought were the best vs which ones I liked the most you'd get 2 very different answers |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 5, 2021 19:12:30 GMT
For me The Force Awakens is my favourite sequel, because it's the only one that's only terrible, not worse than terrible. Ye, my 2 least favourite movies in the saga are TLJ and TROS, but imo TLJ is slightly better than TROS and maybe even Episodes 1 and 2 (although 1 and 2 are two of my favourite movies). If you asked me which movies I thought were the best vs which ones I liked the most you'd get 2 very different answers How is it better?! The plot is all messed up. The red room fight choreography is terrible and half of the movie is some random guys in a random casino. Only thing better is that special effects have improved in 20 years. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 19:23:26 GMT
How is it better?! The plot is all messed up. The red room fight choreography is terrible and half of the movie is some random guys in a random casino. Only thing better is that special effects have improved in 20 years. I think the cinematography in TLJ is probably the best out of all the movies, especially when compared to the CGI of TPM, which isn't very good. Also Yoda vs Count Dooku is probably one of the worst lightsaber fights in the entire saga once you look past Yoda's spinning, cause... that's all he does and not a single of his lightsaber strikes would actually hit Count Dooku if he didn't defend. Plus the prequels have a ton of fundamental problems which affect the entire story, that can't be easily changed, whereas I could probably do an easy fix of TLJ while keeping most of its premise intact. For me though, I think all 3 movies are probably on a similar level, though I may give the prequels a small boost cause TLJ had a visible lack of effort put into it |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 5, 2021 19:59:10 GMT
How is it better?! The plot is all messed up. The red room fight choreography is terrible and half of the movie is some random guys in a random casino. Only thing better is that special effects have improved in 20 years. I think the cinematography in TLJ is probably the best out of all the movies, especially when compared to the CGI of TPM, which isn't very good. Also Yoda vs Count Dooku is probably one of the worst lightsaber fights in the entire saga once you look past Yoda's spinning, cause... that's all he does and not a single of his lightsaber strikes would actually hit Count Dooku if he didn't defend. Plus the prequels have a ton of fundamental problems which affect the entire story, that can't be easily changed, whereas I could probably do an easy fix of TLJ while keeping most of its premise intact. For me though, I think all 3 movies are probably on a similar level, though I may give the prequels a small boost cause TLJ had a visible lack of effort put into it Imo, it's not fair to compare special effects, in that comparison A New Hope would be ridiculous compared to the Rise of Skywalker. Haven't paid attention, but those movies have also the best battles, Qui Gon and Obi-Wan against Maul, the intergalactic amphitheatre, the spinning in Yoda vs Dooku as well as Anakin and Obi-Wan against Dooku in episode II, Dooku against Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS, Grievous against Obi-Wan, Mace Windu against Palpatine, and of course the two best and most epic ones (I will not argue about this  ) Sidious against Yoda and Vader against Obi-Wan. Then the red room battle scene is by a mile the worst Star Wars fight scene ever. The guard literally hits Kylo's saber while he could just chop his head off to name one of the countless problems in the scene. Dooku vs Yoda maybe unrealistic but atleast it's entertaining. The red room scene, which also is the only laser saber fight in the film (isn't it) is not only unrealistic, but also not entertaining and stupid in terms of the plot. Maybe I'm too blinded by my liking of the prequels, but I don't think there are any major fundamental problems. The sequels plot is total craps**t (in my and countless of Star Wars fans' opinion). It's unrealistic. Why is Luke an old shadow of a jedi who utterly fails in making Kylo a jedi and falls into depression and starts calling light sabers laser swords. He is supposed to be the most powerful jedi of all time. Then this guy called Rey becomes a powerful force user without any training and then even more powerful (compared to other sequel characters) with training from this old depressed laser sword man. I'm not even going to talk about Sidious. Even if you ignore these insults to the whole Star Wars franchise, the plot is still boring and doesn't make sense. It's like a Marvel film, bad plot and irrational plot, but cool special effects. A mediocre soft sci-fi trilogy with cool special effects, but NOT a Star Wars trilogy. Brand it as something, maybe Marvel. A Marvel level Disney-movie, but not a Star Wars trilogy. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 20:13:18 GMT
Imo, it's not fair to compare special effects, in that comparison A New Hope would be ridiculous compared to the Rise of Skywalker.
Haven't paid attention, but those movies have also the best battles, Qui Gon and Obi-Wan against Maul, the intergalactic amphitheatre, the spinning in Yoda vs Dooku as well as Anakin and Obi-Wan against Dooku in episode II, Dooku against Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS, Grievous against Obi-Wan, Mace Windu against Palpatine, and of course the two best and most epic ones (I will not argue about this :D) Sidious against Yoda and Vader against Obi-Wan.
Then the red room battle scene is by a mile the worst Star Wars fight scene ever. The guard literally hits Kylo's saber while he could just chop his head off to name one of the countless problems in the scene. Dooku vs Yoda maybe unrealistic but atleast it's entertaining. The red room scene, which also is the only laser saber fight in the film (isn't it) is not only unrealistic, but also not entertaining and stupid in terms of the plot.
Maybe I'm too blinded by my liking of the prequels, but I don't think there are any major fundamental problems.
The sequels plot is total craps**t (in my and countless of Star Wars fans' opinion). It's unrealistic. Why is Luke an old shadow of a jedi who utterly fails in making Kylo a jedi and falls into depression and starts calling light sabers laser swords. He is supposed to be the most powerful jedi of all time. Then this guy called Rey becomes a powerful force user without any training and then even more powerful (compared to other sequel characters) with training from this old depressed laser sword man. I'm not even going to talk about Sidious.
Even if you ignore these insults to the whole Star Wars franchise, the plot is still boring and doesn't make sense. It's like a Marvel film, bad plot and irrational plot, but cool special effects.
A mediocre soft sci-fi trilogy with cool special effects, but NOT a Star Wars trilogy. Brand it as something, maybe Marvel. A Marvel level Disney-movie, but not a Star Wars trilogy.
Ye, but I'm talking about CGI in the context of the movies' own generation. ANH has really good CGI for its era, and I really like the matte paintings they used when CGI wasn't viable. However if you look at other movies in the early 2000's they often have much better CGI than TPM and AOTC, just look at the Matrix. I also agree that the sequels are bad, and in fact I would much rather watch a worse movie that tries its best to be good, like TPM and AOTC than a "better" movie which doesn't do anything besides mundane cliches, but for me even though I like the prequels a lot better I can't say that they are in fact a lot better than TLJ. In terms of SW movies TLJ is terrible, but in terms of its quality as a standalone movie it isn't terrible. There's a lot of fundamental plot holes in the prequels so I'll just list a few:
- The Jedi not going around the Naboo blockade as they're trying to leave the planet, which wouldn't have resulted in R2-D2 getting any recognition
- Qui-Gon deciding to go from Naboo, in the mid-rim, to an outer rim planet when Coruscant is a core world and they're much safer in the inner rim
- Watto trusting Qui-Gon to not scam him even though he literally tried to use the Jedi Mind trick against him 2 minutes ago
- The Jedi deciding not to free Shmi
- The Gungans somehow not getting wiped out by battle droids before the battle of Naboo
- Boss Nass putting Jar Jar Binks in charge of his entire army even though he's basically a criminal
- Padme doesn't have a alias at all when she pretends to be her own body double
- The republic somehow get past the Trade Federation's blockade without getting seen the second time they go to the planet
- Anakin wins a pod race despite never even finishing one before
- Anakin not getting shot down by the droid ship outside Theed Palace
- Anakin basically singlehandedly winning the Battle of Naboo despite never having flown a ship before
- Darth Maul waits for Obi-Wan to do a somersault over him as he almost has the victory |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 5, 2021 20:22:01 GMT
Imo, it's not fair to compare special effects, in that comparison A New Hope would be ridiculous compared to the Rise of Skywalker. Haven't paid attention, but those movies have also the best battles, Qui Gon and Obi-Wan against Maul, the intergalactic amphitheatre, the spinning in Yoda vs Dooku as well as Anakin and Obi-Wan against Dooku in episode II, Dooku against Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS, Grievous against Obi-Wan, Mace Windu against Palpatine, and of course the two best and most epic ones (I will not argue about this ) Sidious against Yoda and Vader against Obi-Wan. Then the red room battle scene is by a mile the worst Star Wars fight scene ever. The guard literally hits Kylo's saber while he could just chop his head off to name one of the countless problems in the scene. Dooku vs Yoda maybe unrealistic but atleast it's entertaining. The red room scene, which also is the only laser saber fight in the film (isn't it) is not only unrealistic, but also not entertaining and stupid in terms of the plot. Maybe I'm too blinded by my liking of the prequels, but I don't think there are any major fundamental problems. The sequels plot is total craps**t (in my and countless of Star Wars fans' opinion). It's unrealistic. Why is Luke an old shadow of a jedi who utterly fails in making Kylo a jedi and falls into depression and starts calling light sabers laser swords. He is supposed to be the most powerful jedi of all time. Then this guy called Rey becomes a powerful force user without any training and then even more powerful (compared to other sequel characters) with training from this old depressed laser sword man. I'm not even going to talk about Sidious. Even if you ignore these insults to the whole Star Wars franchise, the plot is still boring and doesn't make sense. It's like a Marvel film, bad plot and irrational plot, but cool special effects. A mediocre soft sci-fi trilogy with cool special effects, but NOT a Star Wars trilogy. Brand it as something, maybe Marvel. A Marvel level Disney-movie, but not a Star Wars trilogy. Ye, but I'm talking about CGI in the context of the movies' own generation. ANH has really good CGI for its era, and I really like the matte paintings they used when CGI wasn't viable. However if you look at other movies in the early 2000's they often have much better CGI than TPM and AOTC, just look at the Matrix. I also agree that the sequels are bad, and in fact I would much rather watch a worse movie that tries its best to be good, like TPM and AOTC than a "better" movie which doesn't do anything besides mundane cliches, but for me even though I like the prequels a lot better I can't say that they are in fact a lot better than TLJ. In terms of SW movies TLJ is terrible, but in terms of its quality as a standalone movie it isn't terrible. There's a lot of fundamental plot holes in the prequels so I'll just list a few:
- The Jedi not going around the Naboo blockade as they're trying to leave the planet, which wouldn't have resulted in R2-D2 getting any recognition
- Qui-Gon deciding to go from Naboo, in the mid-rim, to an outer rim planet when Coruscant is a core world and they're much safer in the inner rim
- Watto trusting Qui-Gon to not scam him even though he literally tried to use the Jedi Mind trick against him 2 minutes ago
- The Jedi deciding not to free Shmi
- The Gungans somehow not getting wiped out by battle droids before the battle of Naboo
- Boss Nass putting Jar Jar Binks in charge of his entire army even though he's basically a criminal
- Padme doesn't have a alias at all when she pretends to be her own body double
- The republic somehow get past the Trade Federation's blockade without getting seen the second time they go to the planet
- Anakin wins a pod race despite never even finishing one before
- Anakin not getting shot down by the droid ship outside Theed Palace
- Anakin basically singlehandedly winning the Battle of Naboo despite never having flown a ship before
- Darth Maul waits for Obi-Wan to do a somersault over him as he almost has the victory I agree with some of those plot holes, but they're all from the PM. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Dec 5, 2021 20:56:13 GMT
I agree with some of those plot holes, but they're all from the PM. There's about the same amount of plot holes in AOTC but I didn't decide to list them there. Some of them include: Dex Jettster knowing about Kamino The army of the clones arriving just in time to save the heroes, and also the separatists not having any form of anti-air defence until the battle of Geonosis actually started Count Dooku deciding not to kill Yoda while he's trying to lift the giant pillar thing |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 5, 2021 21:04:23 GMT
I agree with some of those plot holes, but they're all from the PM. There's about the same amount of plot holes in AOTC but I didn't decide to list them there. Some of them include: Dex Jettster knowing about Kamino The army of the clones arriving just in time to save the heroes, and also the separatists not having any form of anti-air defence until the battle of Geonosis actually started Count Dooku deciding not to kill Yoda while he's trying to lift the giant pillar thing 1. He's met probably half of the galaxy's drinking population who have visited Coruscant. Surely he's got contacts that know about Kamino.
2. That is admittedly bad, but it happens in all movies, which is not an argument, but still.
The Geonosians are shooting only shooting green balls, so I think that's reasonable.
3. Yoda could've probably stalled Dooku without even sacrificing Anakin and Obi-Wan and getting of Geonosis later may have let Republic ships shoot him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 23:17:49 GMT
well i think there was no reason for making prequel. the original trilogy was good as it was. other then commercial reason
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) Sidious against Yoda and Vader against Obi-Wan.
