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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2021 4:34:27 GMT
Leadership is definitely the best skill in the game. You need 2 lvl 10 commanders to nullify it's effect,and good luck getting those in Arena. Makes me consider getting Edward for my cav team. Even tho he lacks bravery, with enough defense investment with some health regen, he can be a good general. Now that i'm thinking about it, attila+Edward+awakened Suri is the ideal cav comm team, just add in Blucher in the mix. You can consider using Asoka. I'm not crazy about Edward's Leadership because as SolidLight said, you have to take a un-debuffed hit to trigger it. Of course Asoka's HP is an issue as well. I have seen people using 4 commanders in CavCom and ArchCom lineups so perhaps you can just go with both of them? With some new items like a Golden mask, for example, Edward is perfectly able to survive in most uncomfortable circumstances. And he still has Leadership at his disposal. But in 12-general missions to deploy four Commanders is definitely possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 5:24:41 GMT
You can consider using Asoka. I'm not crazy about Edward's Leadership because as SolidLight said, you have to take a un-debuffed hit to trigger it. Of course Asoka's HP is an issue as well. I have seen people using 4 commanders in CavCom and ArchCom lineups so perhaps you can just go with both of them? With some new items like a Golden mask, for example, Edward is perfectly able to survive in most uncomfortable circumstances. And he still has Leadership at his disposal. But in 12-general missions to deploy four Commanders is definitely possible. That is still a negative for Edward, although boosting his defense is a way to alleviate that problem. He still has his cavalry commander, so he'll be valuable due to that. 4 cavalry commanders sounds good, along with 4 archer commanders. Realistically tho, it's hard to utilize that. 2 commanders is good enough for most missions, washington hitting an archer boss with a 13k scarlet flash crit thanks to 2 archer commanders is a scene to behold. Pacha and Nelson will definitely be in my team eventually, i want to see how hard Washington's scarlet flash can hit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 5:29:18 GMT
6Johnny23, blucher is still great as he has rumor. Not as good as leadership, but it's second place in the debuff department. He also gains plunder at 6 stars, so great for Conquests. He won't hit the hardest, Suri probably hits harder than him, but his utility is undoubtedly indispensable. If only he cost less, that would be great.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 27, 2021 5:46:17 GMT
6Johnny23 , blucher is still great as he has rumor. Not as good as leadership, but it's second place in the debuff department. He also gains plunder at 6 stars, so great for Conquests. He won't hit the hardest, Suri probably hits harder than him, but his utility is undoubtedly indispensable. If only he cost less, that would be great. According to this, no on the damage. Both get Plunder, which is amazing since both hit reasonably hard, both can debuff without fear of being hit hard, like Edward with Leadership. I am considering getting Blucher, then going on a massive upgrading campaign while I make some changes to my final team. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 6:03:56 GMT
6Johnny23 , blucher is still great as he has rumor. Not as good as leadership, but it's second place in the debuff department. He also gains plunder at 6 stars, so great for Conquests. He won't hit the hardest, Suri probably hits harder than him, but his utility is undoubtedly indispensable. If only he cost less, that would be great. According to this, no on the damage. Both get Plunder, which is amazing since both hit reasonably hard, both can debuff without fear of being hit hard, like Edward with Leadership. I am considering getting Blucher, then going on a massive upgrading campaign while I make some changes to my final team. Pretty sure suri with inspiration would have a higher attack. As for me, i'm just using medals to upgrade the skills of my main team. Not really sure where to start since i'm done with the main campaign,so i'm just doing ragnarok and collecting my daily medals for now. Nelson is definitely my next target once i'm done upgrading the majority of my ally's skills. Not sure when i'll get blucher, maybe in 1 months time. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Nov 27, 2021 6:35:08 GMT
According to this, no on the damage. Both get Plunder, which is amazing since both hit reasonably hard, both can debuff without fear of being hit hard, like Edward with Leadership. I am considering getting Blucher, then going on a massive upgrading campaign while I make some changes to my final team. Pretty sure suri with inspiration would have a higher attack. As for me, i'm just using medals to upgrade the skills of my main team. Not really sure where to start since i'm done with the main campaign,so i'm just doing ragnarok and collecting my daily medals for now. Nelson is definitely my next target once i'm done upgrading the majority of my ally's skills. Not sure when i'll get blucher, maybe in 1 months time. Ah! I'm not quite about Blucher supremacy now, but I think Blucher can have more attack than Suri (someone please factcheck this), but since I don't know the impact morale has on attack, I can't figure it out. Interesting. My question really is "Which order to spend my medals, upgrade my generals, or get Blucher and upgrade him?". Iron Duke suggested the former, and 5* Nelson would be a big improvement, but I can't upgrade en masse. I think I will focus on upgrading members with debuffs for my planned ArchCom-DebuffSpam team first and then I will focus on Blucher. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 6:40:45 GMT
well.. i would say you definately need to upgrade your heroes to 6 stars...
cuz it benefits more than the lv10 skills. i even bought i can remember 8 months ago for 50 bucks 10k medals to do it more quickly...
definately wasted money yea...
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 27, 2021 9:28:52 GMT
Pretty sure suri with inspiration would have a higher attack. As for me, i'm just using medals to upgrade the skills of my main team. Not really sure where to start since i'm done with the main campaign,so i'm just doing ragnarok and collecting my daily medals for now. Nelson is definitely my next target once i'm done upgrading the majority of my ally's skills. Not sure when i'll get blucher, maybe in 1 months time. Ah! I'm not quite about Blucher supremacy now, but I think Blucher can have more attack than Suri (someone please factcheck this), but since I don't know the impact morale has on attack, I can't figure it out. Interesting. My question really is "Which order to spend my medals, upgrade my generals, or get Blucher and upgrade him?". Iron Duke suggested the former, and 5* Nelson would be a big improvement, but I can't upgrade en masse. I think I will focus on upgrading members with debuffs for my planned ArchCom-DebuffSpam team first and then I will focus on Blucher. Interestingly though, Blucher is now regarded more or less as an outdated choice in non-CavCom lineups. I once asked a friend why: 1. BoL being way too OP 2. The team can deal higher damage with the release of artifacts, making it less demanding on the defensive side. 3. The artifacts let generals who previously don't need kills for rage refills (Washington, Nobunaga, etc.) start to need them as well, lowering the priority for Blucher's refill. With that said, Blucher is still quite a favored choice in CavCom mainly because Asoka and Edward's squishiness. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 10:11:41 GMT
Ah! I'm not quite about Blucher supremacy now, but I think Blucher can have more attack than Suri (someone please factcheck this), but since I don't know the impact morale has on attack, I can't figure it out. Interesting. My question really is "Which order to spend my medals, upgrade my generals, or get Blucher and upgrade him?". Iron Duke suggested the former, and 5* Nelson would be a big improvement, but I can't upgrade en masse. I think I will focus on upgrading members with debuffs for my planned ArchCom-DebuffSpam team first and then I will focus on Blucher. Interestingly though, Blucher is now regarded more or less as an outdated choice in non-CavCom lineups. I once asked a friend why: 1. BoL being way too OP 2. The team can deal higher damage with the release of artifacts, making it less demanding on the defensive side. 3. The artifacts let generals who previously don't need kills for rage refills (Washington, Nobunaga, etc.) start to need them as well, lowering the priority for Blucher's refill. With that said, Blucher is still quite a favored choice in CavCom mainly because Asoka and Edward's squishiness. BoL is pretty broken, but there were times where i wanted damage mitigation rather than heals. But yes, i also thought that since Aegis exists, we can forgo Blucher. That's interesting he said that, but I haven't really started empire+ challenge campaigns to know if the amount of damage we deal is enough to forgo his damage mitigation. And if we exclude BoL for the f2p players, that just leaves the question of artifacts. Infantry teams can hold the artifacts and can refill rage quickly even without killing,but infantry are sturdy and won't need Blucher's damage mitigation compared to archers and cavs. We'll see, maybe with end game items,we can forgo blucher. Blucher costs as much as 3 gold items overall, so that would be a interesting discussion. He just costs too much. Now that i'm thinking about it, yeah,in 8+ slot mission in campaigns, with multiple commanders, we can forgo Blucher as the damage we can reach is quite high. We shall see, along with the fact that easytech could add more updates that could make Blucher more relevant, or less relevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 10:18:16 GMT
Pretty sure suri with inspiration would have a higher attack. As for me, i'm just using medals to upgrade the skills of my main team. Not really sure where to start since i'm done with the main campaign,so i'm just doing ragnarok and collecting my daily medals for now. Nelson is definitely my next target once i'm done upgrading the majority of my ally's skills. Not sure when i'll get blucher, maybe in 1 months time. Ah! I'm not quite about Blucher supremacy now, but I think Blucher can have more attack than Suri (someone please factcheck this), but since I don't know the impact morale has on attack, I can't figure it out. Interesting. My question really is "Which order to spend my medals, upgrade my generals, or get Blucher and upgrade him?". Iron Duke suggested the former, and 5* Nelson would be a big improvement, but I can't upgrade en masse. I think I will focus on upgrading members with debuffs for my planned ArchCom-DebuffSpam team first and then I will focus on Blucher. We pretty much have the same team. I'd say focus on upgrading leadership to level 6, then use your medals to upgrade ranks of your generals. If you're still in gunpowder and are quite close to industrial, i'd save them for upgrading rank. Awakened Suri is a beast. She doesn't hit as hard as attila against infantry,but she can match his damage against other unit types thanks to inspiration being constantly up. She's cheap to upgrade as well, around 1.7k medals to max all her skills. Compared to other generals where 1.7k is just enough for 1 skill, or not even enough. I'm considering pachacuti as a secondary team member,even without being awakened, he still has archer commander,and he's cheap. With Jhansi,Li, Pachacuti and later on Nelson, Nobby and Washington will be destroying everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 11:52:46 GMT
well.. hell no
Suri is WEAK
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 12:08:42 GMT
well... yea i really find her weak. doing not much damage as my ghengis
but she is cheap in development yes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 12:13:11 GMT
well.. hell no Suri is WEAK Normal suri, debatable, stat wise yes, skill wise no. Awakened suri, that's a different beast. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 12:19:00 GMT
well.. hell no Suri is WEAK Normal suri, debatable, stat wise yes, skill wise no. Awakened suri, that's a different beast. not even awakened suri. i am talking about awakened suri, not her normal form nobody would talk about her normal form it always goes about her awakened form so the fuss about suri is unacceptable |
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Post by mayankshadow on Nov 27, 2021 12:48:09 GMT
well.. hell no Suri is WEAK Only archaelogists know the value of artifacts. |
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