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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 9, 2021 23:32:43 GMT
Then don't get Oudinot and just make Bernadotte the sole infantry general. Get Berthier or Marmont as the other artillery general and finish with Grouchy. Bernadotte has 2 cavalry and 3 artillery stars so he can serve as a hybrid even though his skills are geared to infantry. The bigger issue is lack of a good cavalry option outside of Ney. That's why I like Dumoriez. I think 2 artillery generals is a must, so I might replace Bernadotte with Berthier and use him as an artillery. It's pathetic that the marshals can't even find a second man who can beat Dumouriez. Perhaps MacDonald is the way to go. I'd put him above Gouvion as they cost the same to upgrade and MacDonald has War Expert. Nowhere near good but better than nothing. |
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Post by littlecorporal on Dec 10, 2021 0:23:01 GMT
Bernadotte has 2 cavalry and 3 artillery stars so he can serve as a hybrid even though his skills are geared to infantry. The bigger issue is lack of a good cavalry option outside of Ney. That's why I like Dumoriez. I think 2 artillery generals is a must, so I might replace Bernadotte with Berthier and use him as an artillery. It's pathetic that the marshals can't even find a second man who can beat Dumouriez. Perhaps MacDonald is the way to go. I'd put him above Gouvion as they cost the same to upgrade and MacDonald has War Expert. Nowhere near good but better than nothing. I agree about MacDonald. This thread is a lot of fun. War Expert is a great skill because even though it's replaceable by Art of War/ On War- those items aren't conveniently used in the heat of battle. Outside of the 4 anti evasion skills，war expert/ master are two of the best. I think if Ney is your top cavalry then MacDonald would be a solid second chance. A squad of Bernadotte，Ney，MacDonald，Grouchy would offer versatility and specialization but not much strength. I think they would be strong enough to make it through 1st half of HRE at least. You could then think about adding some more slots |
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Post by littlecorporal on Dec 10, 2021 0:26:33 GMT
One thing about Ney, light /heavy Cav with spy vs forts still seem under powered. Sophia might go for 25-35 points vs them. It seems like if you don't have guard cavalry available，the spy skill is kind of wasted.
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Post by Michel Ney , Prince of Moscova on Dec 10, 2021 0:55:24 GMT
I forgot that there was a general called Gouvon in game haha , but I had bought bernadotte as my first general and Arnold who i regrouped to make bernadotte a 5 star trader |
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Post by Michel Ney , Prince of Moscova on Dec 10, 2021 0:58:16 GMT
I think 2 artillery generals is a must, so I might replace Bernadotte with Berthier and use him as an artillery. It's pathetic that the marshals can't even find a second man who can beat Dumouriez. Perhaps MacDonald is the way to go. I'd put him above Gouvion as they cost the same to upgrade and MacDonald has War Expert. Nowhere near good but better than nothing. I agree about MacDonald. This thread is a lot of fun. War Expert is a great skill because even though it's replaceable by Art of War/ On War- those items aren't conveniently used in the heat of battle. Outside of the 4 anti evasion skills，war expert/ master are two of the best. I think if Ney is your top cavalry then MacDonald would be a solid second chance. A squad of Bernadotte，Ney，MacDonald，Grouchy would offer versatility and specialization but not much strength. I think they would be strong enough to make it through 1st half of HRE at least. You could then think about adding some more slots What if i was to instead of mac get berthier? Since i know he is tough to max but he can definetly hybrid between artillery ( not very well ) and calvary , my idea is currently to get ney ( since I have berndotte and maybe train them up before getting berthier who i would also need to train |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 10, 2021 1:04:15 GMT
I agree about MacDonald. This thread is a lot of fun. War Expert is a great skill because even though it's replaceable by Art of War/ On War- those items aren't conveniently used in the heat of battle. Outside of the 4 anti evasion skills，war expert/ master are two of the best. I think if Ney is your top cavalry then MacDonald would be a solid second chance. A squad of Bernadotte，Ney，MacDonald，Grouchy would offer versatility and specialization but not much strength. I think they would be strong enough to make it through 1st half of HRE at least. You could then think about adding some more slots What if i was to instead of mac get berthier? Since i know he is tough to max but he can definetly hybrid between artillery ( not very well ) and calvary , my idea is currently to get ney ( since I have berndotte and maybe train them up before getting berthier who i would also need to train You won't need a cav-arty hybrid in a 4 slot lineup. I recommend having 2 generals specialized in artillery and 1 in cavalry. Your final lineup should probably be Bernadotte, Marmont, Berthier, with Grouchy filling the last slot. Drop Ney because you don't have space for him after getting Bernadotte. Or if cost really doesn't matter to you, you can make Ney an artillery to replace Marmont. |
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Post by littlecorporal on Dec 10, 2021 3:53:23 GMT
I forgot that there was a general called Gouvon in game haha , but I had bought bernadotte as my first general and Arnold who i regrouped to make bernadotte a 5 star trader That's a great start! Bernadotte has immediate value as a trader and long term value as a top infantry general. Maybe you can forego Oudinot. Now you need to pay attention to slots， medals，and available generals. I get the potential Berthier has but my feeling is the medal investment in trainers is better spent on items and if you are planning on spending real money，you are better off with getting more spots. One problem，no admirals among the marshals. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 10, 2021 4:00:47 GMT
I forgot that there was a general called Gouvon in game haha , but I had bought bernadotte as my first general and Arnold who i regrouped to make bernadotte a 5 star trader That's a great start! Bernadotte has immediate value as a trader and long term value as a top infantry general. Maybe you can forego Oudinot. Now you need to pay attention to slots， medals，and available generals. I get the potential Berthier has but my feeling is the medal investment in trainers is better spent on items and if you are planning on spending real money，you are better off with getting more spots. One problem，no admirals among the marshals. With enough stars, everyone can be an ok admiral. |
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Post by Michel Ney , Prince of Moscova on Dec 10, 2021 4:44:24 GMT
I forgot that there was a general called Gouvon in game haha , but I had bought bernadotte as my first general and Arnold who i regrouped to make bernadotte a 5 star trader That's a great start! Bernadotte has immediate value as a trader and long term value as a top infantry general. Maybe you can forego Oudinot. Now you need to pay attention to slots， medals，and available generals. I get the potential Berthier has but my feeling is the medal investment in trainers is better spent on items and if you are planning on spending real money，you are better off with getting more spots. One problem，no admirals among the marshals. I believe my current objective is to get a calvary general who i believe should be Ney and maybe i would piat weekly screenshots of my current progress ( right now im at tetreat from Moscow and the diagram campaign for coalition ) |
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Post by Michel Ney , Prince of Moscova on Dec 10, 2021 4:45:40 GMT
I forgot that there was a general called Gouvon in game haha , but I had bought bernadotte as my first general and Arnold who i regrouped to make bernadotte a 5 star trader That's a great start! Bernadotte has immediate value as a trader and long term value as a top infantry general. Maybe you can forego Oudinot. Now you need to pay attention to slots， medals，and available generals. I get the potential Berthier has but my feeling is the medal investment in trainers is better spent on items and if you are planning on spending real money，you are better off with getting more spots. One problem，no admirals among the marshals. I also have not much intention of spending money so will stick with 4 slots |
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Post by littlecorporal on Dec 10, 2021 5:08:07 GMT
That's a great start! Bernadotte has immediate value as a trader and long term value as a top infantry general. Maybe you can forego Oudinot. Now you need to pay attention to slots， medals，and available generals. I get the potential Berthier has but my feeling is the medal investment in trainers is better spent on items and if you are planning on spending real money，you are better off with getting more spots. One problem，no admirals among the marshals. I also have not much intention of spending money so will stick with 4 slots That rules out training a lot. It's much more economical to get items. Ney or Gouvion (St Cyr?) would be the guy to add next. St Cyr's cheaper than Ney and Grouchy but a good cavalry general can help you win a lot of medals. MacDonald is also a good choice. He has one less cavalry star but one more move. Him or St Cyr，Bernadotte，Ney，Grouchy plus items is a strong group. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 10, 2021 6:02:37 GMT
I also have not much intention of spending money so will stick with 4 slots That rules out training a lot. It's much more economical to get items. Ney or Gouvion (St Cyr?) would be the guy to add next. St Cyr's cheaper than Ney and Grouchy but a good cavalry general can help you win a lot of medals. MacDonald is also a good choice. He has one less cavalry star but one more move. Him or St Cyr，Bernadotte，Ney，Grouchy plus items is a strong group. Sounds like you don't appreciate artillery generals. Mind explain why? Gouvion is the cheapest of them all that is true, but he is also the slowest. He is the only one we talked about who cannot move 4 grids on guards cav. If you need a really cheap cavalry general then Augereau would be a slightly better pick. |
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Post by Michel Ney , Prince of Moscova on Dec 10, 2021 6:48:07 GMT
That rules out training a lot. It's much more economical to get items. Ney or Gouvion (St Cyr?) would be the guy to add next. St Cyr's cheaper than Ney and Grouchy but a good cavalry general can help you win a lot of medals. MacDonald is also a good choice. He has one less cavalry star but one more move. Him or St Cyr，Bernadotte，Ney，Grouchy plus items is a strong group. Sounds like you don't appreciate artillery generals. Mind explain why? Gouvion is the cheapest of them all that is true, but he is also the slowest. He is the only one we talked about who cannot move 4 grids on guards cav. If you need a really cheap cavalry general then Augereau would be a slightly better pick. Well currently I just bought ney , so that solves my calvary problem , if needed late game I may swap him if not i would go for marmont or grouchy or jourdan (prob not him ) for my artillery train |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 10, 2021 6:54:04 GMT
Sounds like you don't appreciate artillery generals. Mind explain why? Gouvion is the cheapest of them all that is true, but he is also the slowest. He is the only one we talked about who cannot move 4 grids on guards cav. If you need a really cheap cavalry general then Augereau would be a slightly better pick. Well currently I just bought ney , so that solves my calvary problem , if needed late game I may swap him if not i would go for marmont or grouchy or jourdan (prob not him ) for my artillery train I'd say Ney is the second best cavalry general among the non-IAP marshals, so there's no need to swap unless you are planning on blowing up medals for Berthier. I recommend 2 artillery generals because you usually have 2 artillery units available. Get Marmont for now. When you have finished upgrading Bernadotte, Ney, and Marmont, finish with Grouchy. |
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Post by littlecorporal on Dec 10, 2021 9:34:13 GMT
That rules out training a lot. It's much more economical to get items. Ney or Gouvion (St Cyr?) would be the guy to add next. St Cyr's cheaper than Ney and Grouchy but a good cavalry general can help you win a lot of medals. MacDonald is also a good choice. He has one less cavalry star but one more move. Him or St Cyr，Bernadotte，Ney，Grouchy plus items is a strong group. Sounds like you don't appreciate artillery generals. Mind explain why? Gouvion is the cheapest of them all that is true, but he is also the slowest. He is the only one we talked about who cannot move 4 grids on guards cav. If you need a really cheap cavalry general then Augereau would be a slightly better pick. With Bernadotte as second artillery (3 stars) he should be pretty well set. I think Isabella would be perfect as the first artillery general，but Grouchy or Marmot also work. Bernadotte and Ney is a good start，there's a lot of positional flexibility with the two of them. |
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