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Post by imkhoa3 on Jan 26, 2022 14:24:26 GMT
In 1940, mussolini approve an contract with the royal air force to provide 400 airplanes which is sell weapons to the enemies I meant where is your info that you get it from William R shirer book mention that And wiki ofc |
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Post by imkhoa3 on Jan 26, 2022 14:25:30 GMT
1. support to their ally: Tie (italy win maybe) first, let talk about italy: 1. they support the german in north africa: afrika korp mostly italians, and the italy navy support german alot (even through they mostly dead to royal navy) 2. they send divisions to eastern front, those divisions are bad and lack of supplies and armored but at least they are there not like japaneses who literally ignore german request( attack soviet) and go straight to dutch oils ok let compare to the japanese 1. they completely ignore ribbentrop request to attack the soviet 2. They dont send troops to fight with the german and they dont provide german anything(lack of resource ofc) 3. but they help drag attention of a hugh US forces to fight them instead of german (even through USA plan mostly focus on europe theatre) and remember, USA throw 3 millions troops+ at the pacific war in 1945 so this is a tie or the italy win maybe 2. betray their ally: italy win in term of amount of betray actually, they start betraying in 1940 when mussolini literally approve a contact of providing 400 airplanes to the royal airforce and you all know the famous case in 1944 when they betray german and the japanese doesnt even betray german ( you know it) so pretty sure japan win ig Japanese brought USA into the war Actually, even raeder tell hitler that war with USA is something hitler cant avoid and he recommend hitler to prepare for that anyway |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 26, 2022 15:15:29 GMT
I meant where is your info that you get it from William R shirer book mention that And wiki ofc Ok but what date? |
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Post by John Marston on Jan 26, 2022 16:01:55 GMT
I don't think Japan contributed in any meaningful way to the German war effort, except maybe to bring the doom of Germany more quickly by bringing the US into the war and by not cooperating to attack on the Russian Far East. Italy, as Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat mentioned, tied up large amount of Allied troops and weapons, especially when invading the soft underbelly of Europe  Though they didn't know at that time, it now seems really ridiculous when Churchill called Italy as Europe's soft underbelly. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 3:26:44 GMT
I don't think Japan contributed in any meaningful way to the German war effort, except maybe to bring the doom of Germany more quickly by bringing the US into the war and by not cooperating to attack on the Russian Far East. Italy, as Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat mentioned, tied up large amount of Allied troops and weapons, especially when invading the soft underbelly of Europe  Though they didn't know at that time, it now seems really ridiculous when Churchill called Italy as Europe's soft underbelly. Churchill and the allies has badly underestimate the Italian peninsula and the Germans under Kesselring use this peninsula as way to delay the Allies by a lot, and Japanese did delay the doomed Axis power at least 6 month due to tie up us troops, British/Indians and Australian troops in Burma and India |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jan 27, 2022 5:34:31 GMT
I doubt 2 divisions would have been able to hold out against 40 divisions. See the Greco Italian campaign ? Even there, there were no instances of a force winning against a 20 times larger forces. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jan 27, 2022 5:38:04 GMT
Japanese brought USA into the war Actually, even raeder tell hitler that war with USA is something hitler cant avoid and he recommend hitler to prepare for that anyway But, still it would have atleast delayed US involvement in the war for some timed. But I don't think US involvement was inevitable, because wide support for policy of isolationism. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 5:38:29 GMT
See the Greco Italian campaign ? Even there, there were no instances of a force winning against a 20 times larger forces. More troops /= Victory, you have to guess what general does the 2 division command and How compentent is he, if he was Kesselring/Model/Heinrici then Italian have tough time deal with two division |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 5:40:15 GMT
Actually, even raeder tell hitler that war with USA is something hitler cant avoid and he recommend hitler to prepare for that anyway But, still it would have atleast delayed US involvement in the war for some timed. But I don't think US involvement was inevitable, because wide support for policy of isolationism. Isolationism is fine but Us have to involve somewhere because Japanese were barred from oil and 80% oil trade of Japan were from US so yeah |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jan 27, 2022 5:41:57 GMT
Even there, there were no instances of a force winning against a 20 times larger forces. More troops /= Victory, you have to guess what general does the 2 division command and How compentent is he, if he was Kesselring/Model/Heinrici then Italian have tough time deal with two division But, a large force certainly increases the chances of victory.2 divisions cannot resist 40 divisions, no matter who commands them |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 5:42:33 GMT
And the Japanese were plan to attack US in pacific,also us were never truly neutral they send lend lease to Britain and USSR
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jan 27, 2022 5:42:35 GMT
But, still it would have atleast delayed US involvement in the war for some timed. But I don't think US involvement was inevitable, because wide support for policy of isolationism. Isolationism is fine but Us have to involve somewhere because Japanese were barred from oil and 80% oil trade of Japan were from US so yeah What does that has to do with Germany? |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 5:44:14 GMT
More troops /= Victory, you have to guess what general does the 2 division command and How compentent is he, if he was Kesselring/Model/Heinrici then Italian have tough time deal with two division But, a large force certainly increases the chances of victory.2 divisions cannot resist 40 divisions, no matter who commands them didn't the Italian have to defend Libya and Ethiopia so I don't think that many division will attack 2 division |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jan 27, 2022 5:44:26 GMT
And the Japanese were plan to attack US in pacific,also us were never truly neutral they send lend lease to Britain and USSR I am quite sure lend lease started after they joined the war. They were providing supplies to Allies because they were able to pay for and transport it. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Jan 27, 2022 5:46:12 GMT
And the Japanese were plan to attack US in pacific,also us were never truly neutral they send lend lease to Britain and USSR I am quite sure lend lease started after they joined the war. They were providing supplies to Allies because they were able to pay for and transport it. I think US start lend lease in battle of Britain but rest are fine |
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