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Post by randomperson on Feb 27, 2022 22:58:11 GMT
I feel like unless it's a sea battle, Simeon is slightly better than Hardrada. His charge is one level higher which lets you use it 33% more. Hardrada has the advantage of 3 +5% skills, but you won't be using snow much so it's much closer to 2 +5% skills. Also Simeon has master commander which doesn't increase damage but it does increase survivability and save you money. However, I'm not going to buy any of them soon because we start with two great infantry generals, Aetius and Bellisarius, so they're not very necessary early on. no he isn't, firstly harald is a pure infantry general, simeon is a hybrid cav and infantry, hybrids are not ideal and worse than pure generals. Simeon is more of a cav general and there are 3 better options than him: roland, alfred and basil. If you bought richard, you wouldn't even consider simeon. the best infantry generals available to f2p are harald, robert the bruce and cnut. Baldwin is also another option but 4 infantry generals is too much. Simeon is just not good enough to be in the lineup if you want to go for the best generals. I was talking about making Simeon a pure infantry general. Could you please explain in what circumstances Harald is better than Simeon? |
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Post by randomperson on Feb 27, 2022 23:01:58 GMT
Wait so beowulf's horn works on hardrada? Yeah, my skill levelled up just like with my “immortality” on Basil II. Wait what?? I thought that the bonuses only worked on specific generals. Do all the bonuses work? Because if they all work then this is a massive buff to F2P and we can use a lot of the IAP banners to strengthen F2P generals. This way, generals with special items aren't actually that much better than generals without them because you can just swap items. Also what if you put beowulf's horn on Simeon? Would he get 2-turn cooldown outburst? Because if so that's OP. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Feb 27, 2022 23:39:53 GMT
Yeah, my skill levelled up just like with my “immortality” on Basil II. Wait what?? I thought that the bonuses only worked on specific generals. Do all the bonuses work? Because if they all work then this is a massive buff to F2P and we can use a lot of the IAP banners to strengthen F2P generals. This way, generals with special items aren't actually that much better than generals without them because you can just swap items. Also what if you put beowulf's horn on Simeon? Would he get 2-turn cooldown outburst? Because if so that's OP. It could be. The only thing I haven’t proved already is the +10+20% bonus on single unit type on different generals. Maybe torvestareborn or stoic will help  |
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Post by randomperson on Feb 27, 2022 23:45:37 GMT
Wait what?? I thought that the bonuses only worked on specific generals. Do all the bonuses work? Because if they all work then this is a massive buff to F2P and we can use a lot of the IAP banners to strengthen F2P generals. This way, generals with special items aren't actually that much better than generals without them because you can just swap items. Also what if you put beowulf's horn on Simeon? Would he get 2-turn cooldown outburst? Because if so that's OP. It could be. The only thing I haven’t proved already is the +10+20% bonus on single unit type on different generals. Maybe torvestareborn or stoic will help  I'll try to test it...once I get a lvl 9 equipment |
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 27, 2022 23:52:35 GMT
no he isn't, firstly harald is a pure infantry general, simeon is a hybrid cav and infantry, hybrids are not ideal and worse than pure generals. Simeon is more of a cav general and there are 3 better options than him: roland, alfred and basil. If you bought richard, you wouldn't even consider simeon. the best infantry generals available to f2p are harald, robert the bruce and cnut. Baldwin is also another option but 4 infantry generals is too much. Simeon is just not good enough to be in the lineup if you want to go for the best generals. I was talking about making Simeon a pure infantry general. Could you please explain in what circumstances Harald is better than Simeon? harald has 9 more infantry points than simeon when upgraded to general, he has 2 infantry skills that increases damage by 9%, he is great in naval battles. Simeon's counter infantry skill reduces damage taken, doesn't increase damage and if you use simeon on infantry, that cav skill is wasted. that recruitment price reduction skill he has is over rated, it's only useful in campaign if you want to hold a city and need to recruit new soldiers to protect city, but you already have belisarius who is better at that. about the unique items, if you give them to a general that doesn't belong to them e.g. giving richards crown to basil, basil only gets half of the attributes (cav points & damage %) and none of the exclusive attributes. |
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Post by randomperson on Feb 28, 2022 0:54:08 GMT
I was talking about making Simeon a pure infantry general. Could you please explain in what circumstances Harald is better than Simeon? harald has 9 more infantry points than simeon when upgraded to general, he has 2 infantry skills that increases damage by 9%, he is great in naval battles. Simeon's counter infantry skill reduces damage taken, doesn't increase damage and if you use simeon on infantry, that cav skill is wasted. that recruitment price reduction skill he has is over rated, it's only useful in campaign if you want to hold a city and need to recruit new soldiers to protect city, but you already have belisarius who is better at that. about the unique items, if you give them to a general that doesn't belong to them e.g. giving richards crown to basil, basil only gets half of the attributes (cav points & damage %) and none of the exclusive attributes. 1. First, I will make a few assumptions: I'm assuming that when you use outburst, you are hitting a unit with 3 stacks, multiplying damage by 3x. Second, I am assuming that this is not a sea battle because there's not a lot of those. In sea battles hardrada would be clearly superior but those make up like 5% of all the battles. I'm also doing these calculations assuming no special items that may or may not boost them for some reason even though they shouldn't. Finally, I am disregarding snow commander and all of Simeon's skills except outburst because they add utility and survivability instead of damage. Now, it comes down to Outburst lvl 3 vs Outburst lvl 2+9% extra damage+9 points. I swaped some items around until my belisarius had 10 more points than my aetius. Now, my belisarius on a vagranian had 161-184 and my aetius had 156-179. This is a difference of like 2-3% damage and will become less and less as I level up my vagranian. Let the base damage be x. Then, a general with outburst lvl 3 would do (x+x+3x)/3 average damage per turn, or 5/3 base damage. Similarily, a general with outburst lvl 2 would do (x+x+x+3x)/4 average damage per turn, or 6/4=3/2 times base damage. Now, (5/3)/(3/2)=10/9=1.11 so outburst lvl 3 does 11% more damage than outburst lvl 2. So, it's now 11% extra damage vs 9% extra damage +2% extra damage or 0 vs 0 once you cancel it out. All in all, I think that they are very very close but I'll take Cnut over them. 2. I know that you get the cav points and damage for non-matching items, but kingbutawl, says that the exclusive skills are also levelled up. This may be a bug but apparently it works. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Feb 28, 2022 10:25:54 GMT
harald has 9 more infantry points than simeon when upgraded to general, he has 2 infantry skills that increases damage by 9%, he is great in naval battles. Simeon's counter infantry skill reduces damage taken, doesn't increase damage and if you use simeon on infantry, that cav skill is wasted. that recruitment price reduction skill he has is over rated, it's only useful in campaign if you want to hold a city and need to recruit new soldiers to protect city, but you already have belisarius who is better at that. about the unique items, if you give them to a general that doesn't belong to them e.g. giving richards crown to basil, basil only gets half of the attributes (cav points & damage %) and none of the exclusive attributes. 1. First, I will make a few assumptions: I'm assuming that when you use outburst, you are hitting a unit with 3 stacks, multiplying damage by 3x. Second, I am assuming that this is not a sea battle because there's not a lot of those. In sea battles hardrada would be clearly superior but those make up like 5% of all the battles. I'm also doing these calculations assuming no special items that may or may not boost them for some reason even though they shouldn't. Finally, I am disregarding snow commander and all of Simeon's skills except outburst because they add utility and survivability instead of damage. Now, it comes down to Outburst lvl 3 vs Outburst lvl 2+9% extra damage+9 points. I swaped some items around until my belisarius had 10 more points than my aetius. Now, my belisarius on a vagranian had 161-184 and my aetius had 156-179. This is a difference of like 2-3% damage and will become less and less as I level up my vagranian. Let the base damage be x. Then, a general with outburst lvl 3 would do (x+x+3x)/3 average damage per turn, or 5/3 base damage. Similarily, a general with outburst lvl 2 would do (x+x+x+3x)/4 average damage per turn, or 6/4=3/2 times base damage. Now, (5/3)/(3/2)=10/9=1.11 so outburst lvl 3 does 11% more damage than outburst lvl 2. So, it's now 11% extra damage vs 9% extra damage +2% extra damage or 0 vs 0 once you cancel it out. All in all, I think that they are very very close but I'll take Cnut over them. 2. I know that you get the cav points and damage for non-matching items, but kingbutawl, says that the exclusive skills are also levelled up. This may be a bug but apparently it works. I don’t think it is a bug. Red items can work just like blue ones in boosting individual skills. I can personally claim that right now I can’t see the +10%+20% noble cavalry bonus Alfred’s shield should give. I made some tests and he is on par with Basil II (234 vs 233 max damage) on paper and into the battlefield. The real bug (for me, or for others) might be this last one. |
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Post by andrei on Feb 28, 2022 10:45:23 GMT
Same here. It looks like the unique item buff doesn't work or at least doesn't work properly.
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Post by kingbutawl on Feb 28, 2022 10:46:52 GMT
Same here. It looks like the unique item buff doesn't work or at least doesn't work properly. do you know how to get some assistance from EasyTech for our situation? |
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Post by andrei on Feb 28, 2022 10:48:44 GMT
Same here. It looks like the unique item buff doesn't work or at least doesn't work properly. do you know how to get some assistance from EasyTech for our situation? Have no idea.. never contacted them. Probably support could help but taking into account their in-game description I have doubts it will be possible to easily exlpain what is the exact problem  |
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Post by kingbutawl on Feb 28, 2022 11:25:20 GMT
andrei do you know how to get some assistance from EasyTech for our situation? Have no idea.. never contacted them. Probably support could help but taking into account their in-game description I have doubts it will be possible to easily exlpain what is the exact problem The fact is that on YouTube EasyTech asks for any report concerning bugs, glitches, etc... I hope other players share their personal experience with unique items’ bonuses. |
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Post by randomperson on Feb 28, 2022 23:19:54 GMT
kingbutawl, Wait so does the 30% buff just not work at all?
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Post by kingbutawl on Feb 28, 2022 23:26:19 GMT
kingbutawl, Wait so does the 30% buff just not work at all? For nothing, right now... Maybe it’s a bug |
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Post by blueberry on Mar 1, 2022 0:20:16 GMT
For a cavalry general, maybe it's just better to get Alfred immediately, so his hero legend chapter can be played. For f2p there are also other hero legend chapters that "force" us to buy some generals, like Cnut, Frederick, Nur Din and others. So, IF (and only IF) we want to unlock some additional content right away, it seems like we have to follow a pre-determined path. But obviously we can just choose to buy them later in the game when we have medals in excess, but it would take time. stoic, i'm curious to know your opinion on this, since you're going f2p |
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Post by randomperson on Mar 1, 2022 0:26:12 GMT
For a cavalry general, maybe it's just better to get Alfred immediately, so his hero legend chapter can be played. For f2p there are also other hero legend chapters that "force" us to buy some generals, like Cnut, Frederick, Nur Din and others. So, IF (and only IF) we want to unlock some additional content (without waiting too much to get enough medals to buy these generals in addition to our favored ones, I mean), it seems like we have to follow a pre-determined path. But obviously we can just choose to buy them later in the game when we have medals in excess, but it would take time. stoic , i'm curious to know your opinion on this, since you're going f2p I'm not too fussed about hero legend to be honest. I suppose they give decent rewards, but I enjoy conquest and campaign a lot more. Hero legend missions typically require 0 strategy and a ton of just brute force. |
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