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Han Xin
Jun 28, 2022 11:30:01 GMT
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Post by nikomachos on Jun 28, 2022 11:30:01 GMT
oh thats right epic war are fixed units as well. indeed it seems like i would hardly deploy him at all though he is a cool gen. :/
thanks guys.
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Han Xin
Jul 18, 2022 10:02:50 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 18, 2022 10:02:50 GMT
But seriously, why isn't anyone using him as an infantry? For cavalry you've got Huo, Belisarius, Arminius, Commius..., for archers you've got Mithridates VI, Octavian and Drusus. For infantry you've got Vercingetorix and Pompey, but for the third spot there's no one really outstanding.
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Han Xin
Jul 18, 2022 12:54:12 GMT
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jul 18, 2022 12:54:12 GMT
But seriously, why isn't anyone using him as an infantry? For cavalry you've got Huo, Belisarius, Arminius, Commius..., for archers you've got Mithridates VI, Octavian and Drusus. For infantry you've got Vercingetorix and Pompey, but for the third spot there's no one really outstanding. You are a bit contradictory, if you put Commius as a good Cav General, then Bato, Burebista, Lebienus, Crassus are excellent Inf Generals. |
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Han Xin
Jul 18, 2022 14:10:40 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 18, 2022 14:10:40 GMT
But seriously, why isn't anyone using him as an infantry? For cavalry you've got Huo, Belisarius, Arminius, Commius..., for archers you've got Mithridates VI, Octavian and Drusus. For infantry you've got Vercingetorix and Pompey, but for the third spot there's no one really outstanding. You are a bit contradictory, if you put Commius as a good Cav General, then Bato, Burebista, Lebienus, Crassus are excellent Inf Generals. 1. I listed 3 others. Commius wasn't really the point. 2. How are those who you mentioned on any measures excellent compared to Commius? Bato has better survivability, but by far worse damage. Burebista and Labienus have worse damage and survivability in terms of skills and talents (change my mind). Then lastly, Crassus, he has Tunnel which is okay, Counterattack which is okay and an average talent. |
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Han Xin
Jul 18, 2022 14:50:02 GMT
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jul 18, 2022 14:50:02 GMT
You are a bit contradictory, if you put Commius as a good Cav General, then Bato, Burebista, Lebienus, Crassus are excellent Inf Generals. 1. I listed 3 others. Commius wasn't really the point. 2. How are those who you mentioned on any measures excellent compared to Commius? Bato has better survivability, but by far worse damage. Burebista and Labienus have worse damage and survivability in terms of skills and talents (change my mind). Then lastly, Crassus, he has Tunnel which is okay, Counterattack which is okay and an average talent. Crassus is the destroyer of cities, thanks to his mobility he can jump from city to city and does not require the best items to do what he is best at. Burebista, if you give him great items, you will get a machine for making dmg. Thanks to his skills, Bato is excellent for Conquest and larger maps such as Epic Battle maps. What makes Commius great? No Cav Commander, March, Assault, which makes his talent pretty much useless. Slow, with average dmg, low chance for Critical dmg, what is he so good at? Arminius, if you don't give the best items, is also a bad general, while Bato and Crassus don't require the best items to do what they are best for, and you can't have the best items for all generals. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 18, 2022 15:15:12 GMT
1. I listed 3 others. Commius wasn't really the point. 2. How are those who you mentioned on any measures excellent compared to Commius? Bato has better survivability, but by far worse damage. Burebista and Labienus have worse damage and survivability in terms of skills and talents (change my mind). Then lastly, Crassus, he has Tunnel which is okay, Counterattack which is okay and an average talent. Crassus is the destroyer of cities, thanks to his mobility he can jump from city to city and does not require the best items to do what he is best at. Burebista, if you give him great items, you will get a machine for making dmg. Thanks to his skills, Bato is excellent for Conquest and larger maps such as Epic Battle maps. What makes Commius great? No Cav Commander, March, Assault, which makes his talent pretty much useless. Slow, with average dmg, low chance for Critical dmg, what is he so good at? Arminius, if you don't give the best items, is also a bad general, while Bato and Crassus don't require the best items to do what they are best for, and you can't have the best items for all generals. 1. Crassus. March is useful in...speedrunning conquests, but rarely useful in other modes. As for Siege, you get +60 damage against city defences. I never encounter any problems in taking cities at all, what do you even need that skill for? Also, high morale vs neutral morale pretty much does that against all enemies. And Commius has siege too anyways. 2. Burebista. If you give great items to any general they become a great dmg dealer. Burebista's no Vercingetorix, he won't get the Laurel Crown. The effects of Intercept and Mountain Fighting are very small and they don't activate very often. Even if Burebista could always have Roar activate (had an item), Commius would have a free slot for a Crossbow. 3. Bato has worse damage than many bronze generals, but is still imo better than the above two (not in Epic War), because he atleast has survivability. But so has Bato, and he has way better damage. 4. If you really want fast generals, you have Tiberius, Antony etc. Nevertheless I don't understand the argument of march being good, since we're still ultimately talking about Han Xin, who does not have march. If you want speedy generals, you won't want to use Han Xin at all. 5. His talent is useless? High morale is no less than +25% damage. Cavalry Commander isn't the best skill for strong cavalry generals, because it's effect alongside Chase is small to Assault - or Inspire. March? Epic War and Hero Legend maps aren't that big honestly. In conquest, you have boosted mobility anyways. You also want to spam in the later conquest where a fast general will just get himself killed. If Bato and Crassus don't need items, Commius definitely doesn't either. Inspire ensures, he always has a stable and high damage output and Guerilla adds some survivability. Just give a crossbow to Commius and he'll be good. Bato and Crassus on the other hand lack in damage - alot. As you said, not everyone can have the best items and I feel it with my Bato. When I try him in Epic War, it's really hard for him to deal any damage. That's why I use Cassius. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jul 18, 2022 16:26:53 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, Ok I understand, your arguments are far better and you are absolutely right. Cav Commander skill is bad, Assault is bad, March is bad, Roar is bad, Ambush is bad, Tunnel is bad, Inf Commander is bad, Shield Wall is bad, Interception is bad, Plain fighting is bad. While Raid and Guerille are OP skills. I go to change my Commander skill, Assault to Raid and Cav Commander to Guerilla. Thank you for opening my eyes, I was wondering why I am so bad at Conquest, Campaign, Hero Legend and Epic War. And that Pompey, what a ridiculous general he is, he has the same talent as the ridiculous Crassus, he has a ridiculous Plain fight, a ridiculous Inf Commander, a ridiculous Shield Wall and a very bad March skill, I don't know at all why they value him so much, he doesn't even have Raid and high morale.
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jul 18, 2022 17:03:40 GMT
But seriously, why isn't anyone using him as an infantry? For cavalry you've got Huo, Belisarius, Arminius, Commius..., for archers you've got Mithridates VI, Octavian and Drusus. For infantry you've got Vercingetorix and Pompey, but for the third spot there's no one really outstanding. His skills do seem to work well with infantry, but why? He doesn't seem better than Pompey and Vercy, and how often do you even need a third infantry general? For some DBs, sure, but Bato is easily up to the task. Most importantly, if if you're going to pay for an infantry general, why would you not buy Spartacus? Frankly, I don't think he's that good. He can be powerful on any unit type but there are better F2P options for all of them. He'd have a spot in my team if he could be bought with medals, but I wouldn't pay for him even if I wasn't F2P. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 18, 2022 17:10:47 GMT
But seriously, why isn't anyone using him as an infantry? For cavalry you've got Huo, Belisarius, Arminius, Commius..., for archers you've got Mithridates VI, Octavian and Drusus. For infantry you've got Vercingetorix and Pompey, but for the third spot there's no one really outstanding. His skills do seem to work well with infantry, but why? He doesn't seem better than Pompey and Vercy, and how often do you even need a third infantry general? For some DBs, sure, but Bato is easily up to the task. Most importantly, if if you're going to pay for an infantry general, why would you not buy Spartacus? Frankly, I don't think he's that good. He can be powerful on any unit type but there are better F2P options for all of them. He'd have a spot in my team if he could be bought with medals, but I wouldn't pay for him even if I wasn't F2P. I agree with the second point. If I were to buy him, I'd probably do it for his banner, rather than for Han Xin himself. As for the first one, I get what you're saying, but I think that applies for using him on any unit type at all (as you said). But if you have him, I'd go infantry because his talent and AOTS work the best for infantry (talent loses some value on cavalry and AOTS on archers). And also because I think he is better compared to the 3rd best infantry general than compared to the 3rd best cavalry general and 2nd/3rd best archer general. |
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Post by wyxelix on Jul 18, 2022 17:26:23 GMT
His skills do seem to work well with infantry, but why? He doesn't seem better than Pompey and Vercy, and how often do you even need a third infantry general? For some DBs, sure, but Bato is easily up to the task. Most importantly, if if you're going to pay for an infantry general, why would you not buy Spartacus? Frankly, I don't think he's that good. He can be powerful on any unit type but there are better F2P options for all of them. He'd have a spot in my team if he could be bought with medals, but I wouldn't pay for him even if I wasn't F2P. I agree with the second point. If I were to buy him, I'd probably do it for his banner, rather than for Han Xin himself. As for the first one, I get what you're saying, but I think that applies for using him on any unit type at all (as you said). But if you have him, I'd go infantry because his talent and AOTS work the best for infantry (talent loses some value on cavalry and AOTS on archers). And also because I think he is better compared to the 3rd best infantry general than compared to the 3rd best cavalry general and 2nd/3rd best archer general. Talent is basically the same as com skills tho and higher chance at that so thats kinda irrelevant since cavcom is even highly regarded and i think hes still good for archer because in my experience he can hit 4 times(on my cav only since i only use him on that so far) and thatd be op if he can change unit in arena/epic war(you'd def not wanna put him in archers on conquest and campaign as you only have 2 normally and 3 ocassionally and the 3rd one is prolly not even a good archer unit) Btw aetius could be a good inf gen too inf com and ambush its just that hes a hybrid. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jul 18, 2022 17:31:46 GMT
His skills do seem to work well with infantry, but why? He doesn't seem better than Pompey and Vercy, and how often do you even need a third infantry general? For some DBs, sure, but Bato is easily up to the task. Most importantly, if if you're going to pay for an infantry general, why would you not buy Spartacus? Frankly, I don't think he's that good. He can be powerful on any unit type but there are better F2P options for all of them. He'd have a spot in my team if he could be bought with medals, but I wouldn't pay for him even if I wasn't F2P. I agree with the second point. If I were to buy him, I'd probably do it for his banner, rather than for Han Xin himself. As for the first one, I get what you're saying, but I think that applies for using him on any unit type at all (as you said). But if you have him, I'd go infantry because his talent and AOTS work the best for infantry (talent loses some value on cavalry and AOTS on archers). And also because I think he is better compared to the 3rd best infantry general than compared to the 3rd best cavalry general and 2nd/3rd best archer general. No real disagreement, the only thing I'd add is that I use a third cavalry general far more than the other types, but you also probably have more good alternatives. |
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Han Xin
Jul 18, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 18, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
I agree with the second point. If I were to buy him, I'd probably do it for his banner, rather than for Han Xin himself. As for the first one, I get what you're saying, but I think that applies for using him on any unit type at all (as you said). But if you have him, I'd go infantry because his talent and AOTS work the best for infantry (talent loses some value on cavalry and AOTS on archers). And also because I think he is better compared to the 3rd best infantry general than compared to the 3rd best cavalry general and 2nd/3rd best archer general. No real disagreement, the only thing I'd add is that I use a third cavalry general far more than the other types, but you also probably have more good alternatives. Same. Also, the 8th general (or 9th when I can have 3 archers) isn't anyone I expect to do anything, but hold and support. That's why I prefer to use Cassius over Bato. |
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Post by jonblend on Jul 18, 2022 20:53:03 GMT
btw, do you know if Cassius with Caduceus has 36% or 40% to lower morale?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 19, 2022 12:12:18 GMT
btw, do you know if Cassius with Caduceus has 36% or 40% to lower morale? No I don't. But if I had to guess, I'd say the latter since crit stacks (doesn't it). |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 19, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
I agree with the second point. If I were to buy him, I'd probably do it for his banner, rather than for Han Xin himself. As for the first one, I get what you're saying, but I think that applies for using him on any unit type at all (as you said). But if you have him, I'd go infantry because his talent and AOTS work the best for infantry (talent loses some value on cavalry and AOTS on archers). And also because I think he is better compared to the 3rd best infantry general than compared to the 3rd best cavalry general and 2nd/3rd best archer general. Talent is basically the same as com skills tho and higher chance at that so thats kinda irrelevant since cavcom is even highly regarded and i think hes still good for archer because in my experience he can hit 4 times(on my cav only since i only use him on that so far) and thatd be op if he can change unit in arena/epic war(you'd def not wanna put him in archers on conquest and campaign as you only have 2 normally and 3 ocassionally and the 3rd one is prolly not even a good archer unit) Btw aetius could be a good inf gen too inf com and ambush its just that hes a hybrid. As I said, his talent loses some of its usefulness on cavalry. When fighting against normal units i.e. not gods or ramparts, you want to plan your cavalry hits so that your cavalry destroys a legion. That way, you have a 60% chance to attack again. That is why, for cavalry (if it works like I think it does) Han's talent only gives a +20% chance for a new attack when you kill a stack. Aëtius, with his two good skills is a good infantry general indeed. |
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