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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jul 6, 2022 11:50:05 GMT
I don't see much discussion on this yet. F2P players only get four of them. As I understand they can only be used for special units, not standard heavy infantry/cavalry/marksman. I'd like to hear some other opinions before I start spending, here's my thoughts:
- Woad raider I think is a must, no explanation needed.
- Legionary - Pompey is my tankiest general, making him even tankier and harder-hitting sounds great.
- War chariot - upgrades Belisarius, second-best cavalry general after Commander.
- Javelineer - upgrades Octavian. Less certain on this one.
Thoughts on the other types:
- Elephant is obvious if you have Hannibal, but without him it doesn't seem worthwhile.
- I see a lot of love for Imperial Guard, but they're expensive and Huo just doesn't hit as hard as Belisarius. Defense reduction is great especially when other units can take advantage of it, but that's true even without legendary armor.
- Horse archers are great, but fragile, which makes me hate spending a lot on them.
- All other types aren't used by anybody good. That's probably not fair to Li, but he's certainly not worth spending a rare item compared to Octavian/Mithy.
Disclaimer: I've barely looked at Epic War at this point, after not doing much for a while I've been focused on Hero Legend, about to get the Yeti (Behemoth). My biggest question about the allocation I've suggested is that I may find that Mithy becomes a lot more survivable and valuable when I'm not relying on the AI.
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Post by stoic on Jul 6, 2022 12:00:21 GMT
As best75 discovered horse archers have a bug and do not deal additional damage to cavalry after promotion as they supposed to do. Until it is fixed they are out of competition... |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 6, 2022 12:22:10 GMT
I made some quick calculations regarding Inperial Guard. If we have an enemy with 20 defence, an unupgraded guard intcreases the defence miltiplier to around 90% and an upgraded to around 93%. So probably not worth an armour for f2p players. Unless it stacks, of course.
Edit: The unaffected defence multiplier is arpund 84%, so your damage is multiplied by 0.84.
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Post by unagok on Jul 6, 2022 13:06:46 GMT
1) javelineer
2) woad raider
3) chariot
4) legionary
In order of importance for me as a f2p
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jul 6, 2022 13:24:04 GMT
Recommend upgrading Javelineer and Legionary because we play with Rome in most cases. For Arena, Wood Raiders (Vercingetorix) and War Chariot (Belisarius) are more useful than Horse Archer (Mithridates) and Imperial Guard (Huo).
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Post by best75 on Jul 6, 2022 23:24:23 GMT
In terms of priority I would have imperial cavalry or horse archer over legionary. It's mainly because I find the additional skill the Legionary harder to make use of (need to be on terrain with modifiers and hope the right enemy type attacks) while the additional skills the other 2 have are far easier to make use of.
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Post by stoic on Jul 7, 2022 6:54:49 GMT
In terms of priority I would have imperial cavalry or horse archer over legionary. It's mainly because I find the additional skill the Legionary harder to make use of (need to be on terrain with modifiers and hope the right enemy type attacks) while the additional skills the other 2 have are far easier to make use of. Don't horse archers still have a bug after promotion to lvl 6? |
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Post by best75 on Jul 7, 2022 8:54:13 GMT
In terms of priority I would have imperial cavalry or horse archer over legionary. It's mainly because I find the additional skill the Legionary harder to make use of (need to be on terrain with modifiers and hope the right enemy type attacks) while the additional skills the other 2 have are far easier to make use of. Don't horse archers still have a bug after promotion to lvl 6? Yes its still bugged. I have the victoria gift pack so I am not short on legendary armor. I will upgrade the horse archer to lvl 6 once the skill is fixed. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 8, 2022 7:19:51 GMT
I mostly agree on what has been said in this thread, but I'm not sure is upgrading Javelineer and especially Legionary worth it above some others.
1. Javelineer does get pierce improved by 50% making it 75%. But Pierce really isn't the best ability, even Strike feels better because it can atleast help the rest of the team.
2. Legionary. Especially in Epic War, and in Hero Legend too, this unit is in my opinion best for defending cities. Upgrading it to level 6 will increase terrain effect by 140%. The problem is, you don't want to have your Legionary defending some random jungle tile. Of course it improves survivability, but Legionaries' offensive capalbilities in end game are very limited conpared to superior units like Heavy Cavalry and Javelineer.
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Post by jonblend on Jul 9, 2022 14:05:44 GMT
I didn't spend any yet but this would be my plan: chariot woad raider imperial guard horse archer (if they get fixed) For the same reasons that Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov mentioned I'd forego legionary and javelineer (but the latter could be more interesting if the general profiting from it had archer commander + advantage aka Caesar or Commander) |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jul 9, 2022 18:55:50 GMT
Further thoughts - there doesn't seem to be any debate about Woad raider and Chariot, I've spent the two I have on them.
I'm still not in on the Imperial Guard love affair.
The argument for Legionary is the principle of giving your best items to your best generals, but it's a fair point that the upgraded talent is hard to use effectively. No doubt horse archer isn't so good for Arena, but from HL it's clear that horse archers are a lot more effective and survivable when manually controlled, and the upgrade is great. In any case I win arena easily since the latest update, even with low levels of elite armor.
I expect I'll upgrade Javelineer and wait for a fix for Horse Archers.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jul 10, 2022 0:20:50 GMT
Based on the feedback I got, there are only 2 musts for F2Ps: Javelineer and Woad Raider.
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Post by run4glory on Jul 10, 2022 8:18:20 GMT
Can someone tell me what's the skill upgrade for lvl 6 Woad Raiders, since I am nowhere near that? I wanna know what it is that makes all people think spending a legendary armor on Woad Raiders is a no-brainer.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jul 10, 2022 8:55:54 GMT
Can someone tell me what's the skill upgrade for lvl 6 Woad Raiders, since I am nowhere near that? I wanna know what it is that makes all people think spending a legendary armor on Woad Raiders is a no-brainer. +65% damage against archers. |
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Post by run4glory on Jul 10, 2022 9:27:22 GMT
That is a hell of a convincing argument
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