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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 26, 2022 4:02:57 GMT
I'm not so sure that Medium Barbarossa is the best option. Something people don't seem to be considering is the medals awarded for completed the Moscow/Berlin stages, separate from the operation-wide rewards. As far as I'm aware, they are always the same and are the following:
EASY:
Barbarossa: Air Force
Patriotic: Navy
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: Infantry
Patriotic: Marching
HARD:
Barbarossa: Panzer
Patriotic: Artillery
So, for the sake of analysis let's assume that each Panzer, Artillery and Marching medal is worth 2 points, each Air Force, Combo and Assault medal is worth 1 point and all other medals are worth nothing. What do we get on average?
EASY:
Barbarossa: 1pt + (6/3 = 2)pts = 3pts/run
Patriotic: 0pts + (6/4 = 1.5)pts = 1.5pts/run
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: 0pts + (6/3 x 2 = 4)pts = 4pts/run
Patriotic: 2pts + (7/5 x 2 = 2.8) = 4.8pts/run
HARD:
Barbarossa: 2pts + (8/6 x 3 = 4) = 6pts/run
Patriotic: 2pts + (8/6 x 3 = 4) = 6pts/run
So, it turns out that the best Operation to farm using your free reset is Hard mode of either, depending on whether you want artillery or panzer medals more. But what if you want more and you're willing to pay for it? Which is the most efficient per its cost? For this second analysis, I'll analyse this as points per 100 medals spent.
EASY:
Barbarossa: 3pts/1 = 3pts/100 medals
Patriotic: 1.5/1.2 = 1.25pts/100 medals
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: 4/1.5 = 2.66/100 medals
Patriotic: 4.8/1.7 = 2.82/100 medals
HARD:
Barbarossa: 6/2 = 3pts/100 medals
Patriotic: 6/2.2 = 2.72/100 medals
This time, it seems that the two winners are Barbarossa Easy and Hard. It seems that farming medals is much more efficient this way than buying them directly from the shop, if more random. The best strategy if you're farming medals with currency medals is probably to use your free reset on Hard Patriotic, then buy resets for Barbarossa Hard normally or Easy if you want air force medals.
The problem is, I want to stockpile on marching, artillery and tanks first. Always playing on Barbarossa hard difficulty may be less efficient on many players than playing Barbarossa medium which gives two of the three essential medals for players who does not have the complete roster yet. Barbarossa medium doesn't give a 150 medal when you complete a run, but hard does. As long as you get one 150 medal through the draw, it's better than medium. |
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Post by starfire67 on Sept 26, 2022 9:34:20 GMT
I'm not so sure that Medium Barbarossa is the best option. Something people don't seem to be considering is the medals awarded for completed the Moscow/Berlin stages, separate from the operation-wide rewards. As far as I'm aware, they are always the same and are the following:
EASY:
Barbarossa: Air Force
Patriotic: Navy
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: Infantry
Patriotic: Marching
HARD:
Barbarossa: Panzer
Patriotic: Artillery
So, for the sake of analysis let's assume that each Panzer, Artillery and Marching medal is worth 2 points, each Air Force, Combo and Assault medal is worth 1 point and all other medals are worth nothing. What do we get on average?
EASY:
Barbarossa: 1pt + (6/3 = 2)pts = 3pts/run
Patriotic: 0pts + (6/4 = 1.5)pts = 1.5pts/run
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: 0pts + (6/3 x 2 = 4)pts = 4pts/run
Patriotic: 2pts + (7/5 x 2 = 2.8) = 4.8pts/run
HARD:
Barbarossa: 2pts + (8/6 x 3 = 4) = 6pts/run
Patriotic: 2pts + (8/6 x 3 = 4) = 6pts/run
So, it turns out that the best Operation to farm using your free reset is Hard mode of either, depending on whether you want artillery or panzer medals more. But what if you want more and you're willing to pay for it? Which is the most efficient per its cost? For this second analysis, I'll analyse this as points per 100 medals spent.
EASY:
Barbarossa: 3pts/1 = 3pts/100 medals
Patriotic: 1.5/1.2 = 1.25pts/100 medals
MEDIUM:
Barbarossa: 4/1.5 = 2.66/100 medals
Patriotic: 4.8/1.7 = 2.82/100 medals
HARD:
Barbarossa: 6/2 = 3pts/100 medals
Patriotic: 6/2.2 = 2.72/100 medals
This time, it seems that the two winners are Barbarossa Easy and Hard. It seems that farming medals is much more efficient this way than buying them directly from the shop, if more random. The best strategy if you're farming medals with currency medals is probably to use your free reset on Hard Patriotic, then buy resets for Barbarossa Hard normally or Easy if you want air force medals.
The problem is, I want to stockpile on marching, artillery and tanks first. Always playing on Barbarossa hard difficulty may be less efficient on many players than playing Barbarossa medium which gives two of the three essential medals for players who does not have the complete roster yet. And it turns out I was wrong about the medals awarded being fixed - I got Movement rather than Artillery for completing Berlin in Hard Patriotic today. I'll need to do some testing on the distribution, but if the medals there don't at least have a strong bias towards being better in Hard then you're probably right about Medium being the best option. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 27, 2022 21:23:54 GMT
The problem is, I want to stockpile on marching, artillery and tanks first. Always playing on Barbarossa hard difficulty may be less efficient on many players than playing Barbarossa medium which gives two of the three essential medals for players who does not have the complete roster yet. And it turns out I was wrong about the medals awarded being fixed - I got Movement rather than Artillery for completing Berlin in Hard Patriotic today. I'll need to do some testing on the distribution, but if the medals there don't at least have a strong bias towards being better in Hard then you're probably right about Medium being the best option. The thing is hard gives an 150 series by passing the 4th level, but medium only gives an 100 series. In other words, hard gives 1-4 150 series medals (2.5 on average if the chance is equal) and medium is a guaranteed 2. Hard is definitely better. |
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Sept 28, 2022 11:28:57 GMT
Kimmel is horrible as expected. He is a weak Nagumo. But then again, no player will hire an admiral with medals after the Sansonetti update, so Kimmel was doomed from the start.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Sept 29, 2022 5:20:31 GMT
Kimmel is horrible as expected. He is a weak Nagumo. But then again, no player will hire an admiral with medals after the Sansonetti update, so Kimmel was doomed from the start. As I've said, the only thing that can save Kimmel and Horton is 5* air, which they don't have. Based on the current leak: Spaatz: M General, infantry 4, tank 2, artillery 1, air 5, navy 1, movement 3, Explosives 4, Supply 3, Oil Expert 4, Economic Expert 3, lvl 4 new skill that reduces air force cost by 25%. OP air general but he's an IAP. Horton: Major, infantry 2, tank 2, artillery 1, air 3, navy 5, movement 4, Supply 2, Wolfpack 3, Fleet Leader 2, Camouflage 3, lvl 3 new skill that reduces damage from ships by 20% when commanding ships. I'd say he is one of the best admirals, such a shame that we already have Sansonetti. Bittrich: Captain, infantry 3, tank 0, artillery 2, air 4, navy 2, movement 2, Guerrilla 3, Mountain Fighting 3, Ace Forces 2, Spaatz's new skill 2. I'm curious about what lvl 2 of the new skill offers. An interesting one that might be worth purchasing. Sikorski: Major, infantry 2, tank 2, artillery 5, air 3, navy 1, movement 4, Artillery Barrage 3, Artillery Leader 3, Shelter Expert 2, Desperate 2, Economic Expert 2. RIP Weidling. Damage and speed wise very nice but I don't like his rank. Now there's some REAL pressure on Bai. If you think 70 HP is no big deal then he is better than Bai. Anders: Captain, infantry 1, tank 4, artillery 3, air 1, navy 1, movement 3, Tide of Iron 2, Supply 3, Camouflage 3, Desperate 3. I'd rather get Devers. Update: Horton 1695, Sikorski 1845, Spaatz $7, Anders 1295. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Sept 29, 2022 8:18:48 GMT
Kimmel is horrible as expected. He is a weak Nagumo. But then again, no player will hire an admiral with medals after the Sansonetti update, so Kimmel was doomed from the start. As I've said, the only thing that can save Kimmel and Horton is 5* air, which they don't have. Based on the current leak: Spaatz: M General, infantry 4, tank 2, artillery 1, air 5, navy 1, movement 3, Explosives 4, Supply 3, Oil Expert 4, Economic Expert 3, lvl 4 new skill that reduces air force cost by 25%. OP air general but he's an IAP. Horton: Major, infantry 2, tank 2, artillery 1, air 3, navy 5, movement 4, Supply 2, Wolfpack 3, Fleet Leader 2, Camouflage 3, lvl 3 new skill that reduces damage from ships by 20% when commanding ships. I'd say he is one of the best admirals, such a shame that we already have Sansonetti. Bittrich: Captain, infantry 3, tank 0, artillery 2, air 4, navy 2, movement 2, Guerrilla 3, Mountain Fighting 3, Ace Forces 2, Spaatz's new skill 2. I'm curious about what lvl 2 of the new skill offers. An interesting one that might be worth purchasing. Sikorski: Major, infantry 2, tank 2, artillery 5, air 3, navy 1, movement 4, Artillery Barrage 3, Artillery Leader 3, Shelter Expert 2, Desperate 2, Economic Expert 2. RIP Weidling. Damage and speed wise very nice but I don't like his rank. Now there's some REAL pressure on Bai. If you think 70 HP is no big deal then he is better than Bai. Anders: Captain, infantry 1, tank 4, artillery 3, air 1, navy 1, movement 3, Tide of Iron 2, Supply 3, Camouflage 3, Desperate 3. I'd rather get Devers. 1. What leak? 2. I will probably get Sikorski instead of the second EC. |
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Post by Minnesotaball on Sept 29, 2022 20:11:01 GMT
Sounds like Sikorski will be pretty good if you invest some more medals into his rank. Gonna go with him instead of a 2nd EC artillery general, for now anyways. Can always use the medals on the 2 I already have instead.
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Post by blueberry on Oct 1, 2022 9:32:42 GMT
Spaatz: M General, infantry 4, tank 2, artillery 1, air 5, navy 1, movement 3, Explosives 4, Supply 3, Oil Expert 4, Economic Expert 3, lvl 4 new skill that reduces air force cost by 25%. OP air general but he's an IAP. That's a big improvement for Spaatz  |
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Oct 1, 2022 13:31:06 GMT
Horton isn't that bad had he existed before Sansonetti's update.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 3, 2022 1:33:55 GMT
Horton costs 1695, Sikorski 1845. Weidling looks like a joke when compared to Sikorski.
Sikorski vs Bai is essentially damage vs survivability. Don't ask me who's better, I chose EC.
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Post by meisterdelav on Oct 3, 2022 1:39:02 GMT
Sikorski or Govorov? I currently only have 3 blank ec and guderian
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 3, 2022 2:08:59 GMT
Sikorski or Govorov? I currently only have 3 blank ec and guderian Govorov. |
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Oct 5, 2022 0:50:18 GMT
Will M General Sikorski-Zhu D. be equal to Bai-Vasilevsky? The former costs 3975; the latter 3940. I already bought Sikorski but will load my previous save if the new pair turns out to be unsatisfying.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 5, 2022 8:04:47 GMT
Will M General Sikorski-Zhu D. be equal to Bai-Vasilevsky? The former costs 3975; the latter 3940. I already bought Sikorski but will load my previous save if the new pair turns out to be unsatisfying. Artillery yes, infantry no. M General Sokorski will hit a bit harder than Bai at the cost of some survivability (Ace). There's a significant difference between Zhu and Vasilevsky though, but I just came across someone that beat the game with Bai as infantry general. I'm not sure how applicable it is to other players but it represents a possibility. Speaking of that, Bai might actually be capable of infantry in the current version. Give him 2 infantry medals and he's 5 star level. |
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Oct 5, 2022 9:45:36 GMT
Will M General Sikorski-Zhu D. be equal to Bai-Vasilevsky? The former costs 3975; the latter 3940. I already bought Sikorski but will load my previous save if the new pair turns out to be unsatisfying. Artillery yes, infantry no. M General Sokorski will hit a bit harder than Bai at the cost of some survivability (Ace). There's a significant difference between Zhu and Vasilevsky though, but I just came across someone that beat the game with Bai as infantry general. I'm not sure how applicable it is to other players but it represents a possibility. Speaking of that, Bai might actually be capable of infantry in the current version. Give him 2 infantry medals and he's 5 star level. So by that logic, Sikorski + 2 lvl 2 infantry medals = 5 star infantry. But the problem is, I will put artillery medals on Sikorski, so I think Zhu D. is still a viable option even if he is inferior to Vasilevsky since I can give him infantry medal. |
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