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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 25, 2022 2:12:52 GMT
I thought you had raided El Cid a lot and that your conquistadors were good enough to contribute in this legion. I feel that legions consisting of only one kind of units misses important features from other units. Sure they do. But my Conquistadors are at lvl 8. Enough to increase the power of El Cid but hardly enough for extensive use elsewhere. Justinian, Theodora and Martel can be light El Cid with Conquistadors, Ravenna and Varangians/Woad raiders (frank axemens for Martel). Subutai and Nur Din (without unique weapon we don't need change Mamluks for camel archers) light Timur of course. That's enough for today to close all archers positions for f2p players. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 25, 2022 3:50:26 GMT
Sure they do. But my Conquistadors are at lvl 8. Enough to increase the power of El Cid but hardly enough for extensive use elsewhere. Justinian, Theodora and Martel can be light El Cid with Conquistadors, Ravenna and Varangians/Woad raiders (frank axemens for Martel). Subutai and Nur Din (without unique weapon we don't need change Mamluks for camel archers) light Timur of course. That's enough for today to close all archers positions for f2p players. Timur is the best f2p archer nowadays. With the best rewards for his campaign and an excellent weapon. There is no need to have a "light" Timur if you easily can have an "original" one. If you don't like (or don't have) Imperial Bow Cavalry - don't use them. Timur is equally good with Ravenna, Conquistadors or whatever Ranged unit players have. Nur ad-Din is a couple of leagues lower, especially without his weapon. You have to invest in him heavily to make him decent. |
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 26, 2022 3:16:28 GMT
Justinian, Theodora and Martel can be light El Cid with Conquistadors, Ravenna and Varangians/Woad raiders (frank axemens for Martel). Subutai and Nur Din (without unique weapon we don't need change Mamluks for camel archers) light Timur of course. That's enough for today to close all archers positions for f2p players. Timur is the best f2p archer nowadays. With the best rewards for his campaign and an excellent weapon. There is no need to have a "light" Timur if you easily can have an "original" one. If you don't like (or don't have) Imperial Bow Cavalry - don't use them. Timur is equally good with Ravenna, Conquistadors or whatever Ranged unit players have. Nur ad-Din is a couple of leagues lower, especially without his weapon. You have to invest in him heavily to make him decent. So we can call Nur ad-Din Timur lite  |
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Post by stoic on Aug 26, 2022 3:58:46 GMT
Timur is the best f2p archer nowadays. With the best rewards for his campaign and an excellent weapon. There is no need to have a "light" Timur if you easily can have an "original" one. If you don't like (or don't have) Imperial Bow Cavalry - don't use them. Timur is equally good with Ravenna, Conquistadors or whatever Ranged unit players have. Nur ad-Din is a couple of leagues lower, especially without his weapon. You have to invest in him heavily to make him decent. So we can call Nur ad-Din Timur lite I am profoundly suspicious about Nur ad-Din, to be honest. I don't know, maybe some pay players use him here and there. But without his special weapon he is a general with one low level Ranged skill, an active on 5 turns cooldown and only 22 capability points from ranks. In my opinion, at least 5 f2p archers have a better potential: Timur, El Cid, Subutai, Martel and Narses. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 26, 2022 6:57:40 GMT
So we can call Nur ad-Din Timur lite I am profoundly suspicious about Nur ad-Din, to be honest. I don't know, maybe some pay players use him here and there. But without his special weapon he is a general with one low level Ranged skill, an active on 5 turns cooldown and only 22 capability points from ranks. In my opinion, at least 5 f2p archers have a better potential: Timur, El Cid, Subutai, Martel and Narses. Narses totally infantry general now, Martell charge general.  |
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Post by stoic on Aug 26, 2022 10:44:12 GMT
I am profoundly suspicious about Nur ad-Din, to be honest. I don't know, maybe some pay players use him here and there. But without his special weapon he is a general with one low level Ranged skill, an active on 5 turns cooldown and only 22 capability points from ranks. In my opinion, at least 5 f2p archers have a better potential: Timur, El Cid, Subutai, Martel and Narses. Narses totally infantry general now, Martell charge general. Yet both of them are superior to Nur ad-Din as archers. And I use them as such, because I have enough Infantry and cavalry generals. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 26, 2022 13:38:52 GMT
Narses totally infantry general now, Martell charge general. Yet both of them are superior to Nur ad-Din as archers. And I use them as such, because I have enough Infantry and cavalry generals. I use Nur Din in expedition and he’s better than both Narses and Martel. He has objectively more damage and versatility, but I can understand you may dislike him for his natural “good-look” |
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Post by stoic on Aug 26, 2022 14:33:21 GMT
Yet both of them are superior to Nur ad-Din as archers. And I use them as such, because I have enough Infantry and cavalry generals. I use Nur Din in expedition and he’s better than both Narses and Martel. He has objectively more damage and versatility, but I can understand you may dislike him for his natural “good-look” I really don't know, guys, what is the game you are playing My Nur ad-Din and Martel are still trashy enough, but if there is a potential development for Martel, Nur ad-Din is at his limit.   I have to upgrade Khan's weapon for him especially to make him less trashy   3+ times less damage that Timur’s (2200). He is not Timur-lite, he is a useless mf. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 26, 2022 17:51:19 GMT
I use Nur Din in expedition and he’s better than both Narses and Martel. He has objectively more damage and versatility, but I can understand you may dislike him for his natural “good-look” I really don't know, guys, what is the game you are playing My Nur ad-Din and Martel are still trashy enough, but if there is a potential development for Martel, Nur ad-Din is at his limit. I have to upgrade Khan's weapon for him especially to make him less trashy 3+ times less damage that Timur’s (2200). He is not Timur-lite, he is a useless mf. I gave Nur that trashy blue bow which boosts the green archer skill and Narses’s horse. He is a champ |
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Post by nikomachos on Aug 26, 2022 17:52:04 GMT
stoic i literally have the same setup for nur din and agree that he is quite bad. but as sb who purchased almost exclusively hero legend gens and neglected many better versions i use him suprisingly often xD. also i by now i kinda like him. and in expedition i sometimes switch him in if their is desert terrain.
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 26, 2022 18:12:28 GMT
I use Nur Din in expedition and he’s better than both Narses and Martel. He has objectively more damage and versatility, but I can understand you may dislike him for his natural “good-look” I really don't know, guys, what is the game you are playing My Nur ad-Din and Martel are still trashy enough, but if there is a potential development for Martel, Nur ad-Din is at his limit. I have to upgrade Khan's weapon for him especially to make him less trashy 3+ times less damage that Timur’s (2200). He is not Timur-lite, he is a useless mf. You can’t use Nur without his active skill, though. It’s unfair  . Btw I gave both Nur and Martel the same equipment (Tizona lvl10 with 2 lvl2 yellow gem and 1 lvl3 red; 1 purple crossbow with lvl2 yellow; Nordic helmet with 2 lvl3 yellow). Both in Timur legends hard, 10.1 against the first thick elephant legion. Both with their respective ability on. Nur Din has dealt 786 damage. Martel 620 |
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Post by stoic on Aug 26, 2022 19:18:00 GMT
I really don't know, guys, what is the game you are playing My Nur ad-Din and Martel are still trashy enough, but if there is a potential development for Martel, Nur ad-Din is at his limit. I have to upgrade Khan's weapon for him especially to make him less trashy 3+ times less damage that Timur’s (2200). He is not Timur-lite, he is a useless mf. You can’t use Nur without his active skill, though. It’s unfair . Btw I gave both Nur and Martel the same equipment (Tizona lvl10 with 2 lvl2 yellow gem and 1 lvl3 red; 1 purple crossbow with lvl2 yellow; Nordic helmet with 2 lvl3 yellow). Both in Timur legends hard, 10.1 against the first thick elephant legion. Both with their respective ability on. Nur Din has dealt 786 damage. Martel 620 How often do we use Nur ad-Din's active skill? Once in 5 turn, right? Yeah, I think, it is perfectly fair to test him without his active skill, since to have it on 5 turns cooldown is almost the same thing as not to have it at all Martel has 2 turns cooldown since we'll equip him with a Headhunting bow anyway. It is perhaps a matter of taste, but both of them are not in the same league as Timur, El Cid and Subutai. Martel is a cheap silver tier general at least. I wish we had an opportunity to sell generals after completing their chapters. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 26, 2022 19:23:34 GMT
stoic i literally have the same setup for nur din and agree that he is quite bad. but as sb who purchased almost exclusively hero legend gens and neglected many better versions i use him suprisingly often xD. also i by now i kinda like him. and in expedition i sometimes switch him in if their is desert terrain. I think that any top tier general is capable enough to shine here and there from time to time. But I believe we should expect more from a gold tier general whose price is above 2000 medals. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 26, 2022 19:36:04 GMT
You can’t use Nur without his active skill, though. It’s unfair . Btw I gave both Nur and Martel the same equipment (Tizona lvl10 with 2 lvl2 yellow gem and 1 lvl3 red; 1 purple crossbow with lvl2 yellow; Nordic helmet with 2 lvl3 yellow). Both in Timur legends hard, 10.1 against the first thick elephant legion. Both with their respective ability on. Nur Din has dealt 786 damage. Martel 620 How often do we use Nur ad-Din's active skill? Once in 5 turn, right? Yeah, I think, it is perfectly fair to test him without his active skill, since to have it on 5 turns cooldown is almost the same thing as not to have it at all Martel has 2 turns cooldown since we'll equip him with a Headhunting bow anyway. It is perhaps a matter of taste, but both of them are not in the same league as Timur, El Cid and Subutai. Martel is a cheap silver tier general at least. I wish we had an opportunity to sell generals after completing their chapters. Martel is a cheap cannon, but he’s a more expensive investment than Nur Din, mithrill wise. I’m not here to say Nur is the ultimate weapon, but at least I tried to find him a place in Expedition, since he’s not in my usual team. And I can say, amongst all the expensive medal I bought only for hero legends, he is the one I use the most (way more than Barbarossa or Edward). And consider one last strategically important thing: Nur Din is ugly, but not as much as Subutai! |
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 26, 2022 22:12:55 GMT
stoic i literally have the same setup for nur din and agree that he is quite bad. but as sb who purchased almost exclusively hero legend gens and neglected many better versions i use him suprisingly often xD. also i by now i kinda like him. and in expedition i sometimes switch him in if their is desert terrain. I think that any top tier general is capable enough to shine here and there from time to time. But I believe we should expect more from a gold tier general whose price is above 2000 medals. IIRC Nur ad-Din's price is only 1750 medals. I should know it because I have not and will not buy him (unless I have completed all hero legends and am bored with the game). Unless you were referring to someone else, if that is the case please ignore this statement. |
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