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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 13:16:46 GMT
Yeah, and without dices situations where A attacks B with an equal force are impossible to solve without any element of luck or third party. Yeah, there's that too. Btw, what about fortifications and geographical factors? How would they work in your proposed system? Based on player judgement, or a predetermined set of rules? Probably atleast for fortifications there'd be some guidelines. As for geography, that's very judgment based even with set values, so they'd be left to player judgment. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 16:49:20 GMT
Only for John MarstonYou said you need guns. I'll get 1250 from Turkey, you can use some of those. Also, I'll attack Germany ASAP. I'll attack from the Maginot Line, and I've got a bunch of tanks. In Albania I think we should dig in and defend because I haven't got any tanks and the mountains are quite impenetrable, however, an amphibious landing in Romania could work, although it's a bit bold, and ot would require a lot of ships. Also, can I use Malta as a base? And finally, I'm considering using Denmark to attack Germany from the north, what do you think? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 16:56:07 GMT
Only for Darth NihilusWar between great powers has begun after Spain declared war on Austria-Hungary. I trust that Poland will choose to side with Spain in this conflict. I can land in Romania with 600,000 troops if you can simultaneously attack from Polish controlled Romania to cut off enemy reinforcements. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 17:18:13 GMT
Following the capitulation of France the 1st and 6th Artillery Brigades totalling 1276 guns are moved to Tunis from Syria. The 32nd Army (100,000 troops), 13th Armoured Division (500 tanks), and the 11th and 12th Artillery Brigades (1000 guns each) are moved to Istanbul from Syria. The 2nd Artillery Brigade and the 33rd Army move from Syria to Erzincan in Turkey.
The 10th and 12th Armies and the 5th Armoured Division withdraw from Albania to Istanbul to await further deployment. The 16th Army moves to replace them.
The whole navy helps in these movements.
In Albania fearful of Austrian aggression the two armies present begin fortifying and entrenching Albania's mountainous Yugoslavian border. Flatlands and mountain passes are specifically focused on, but the whole border will be fortified.
All forces from the Franco-Spanish border, except the 60,000-strong 29th Army are moved to Dunkirk.
Following these troop movements the French navy will be positioned as follows:
10 submarines, 15 destroyers, and a cruiser will be positioned at Calais and the same amount at Marseille.
The rest 20 submarines, 40 destroyers, and 5 cruisers will be located in Istanbul.
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Post by John Marston on Jun 28, 2023 18:09:38 GMT
Only for John Marston You said you need guns. I'll get 1250 from Turkey, you can use some of those. Also, I'll attack Germany ASAP. I'll attack from the Maginot Line, and I've got a bunch of tanks. In Albania I think we should dig in and defend because I haven't got any tanks and the mountains are quite impenetrable, however, an amphibious landing in Romania could work, although it's a bit bold, and ot would require a lot of ships. Also, can I use Malta as a base? And finally, I'm considering using Denmark to attack Germany from the north, what do you think? Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov Sure. The guns will be helpful. I'd like to leave the Maginot front to you because it will go nowhere. Both you and Germany are very well dug in. I'd advise you to limit the action there though. It will be hard there and an attack through Denmark is probably the best option. Or how about bypassing them via Italy. I will land my forces on Albania and we can link up over there and push north, directly into the enemy's heart. As per the peace terms, you are allowed to pass through Italy I suppose? And of course, you can use Malta as base.
We have to create a distraction so that the Soviets don't intervene to their full potential otherwise we can't stand a chance against both of them.
Unless we get Poland to our side. If we can get Poland to support us, a two way thrust, one from Poland and one from Austria should be enough I think. It will also create a buffer between the Soviets and Germans.
Now this is all considering that we link our forces. Let me know if you have a better idea. |
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Post by John Marston on Jun 28, 2023 18:19:04 GMT
The convoy in Malta set sail to Albania to counter potential German aggression. The 30,000 troops and 300 tanks are further aided by 20,000 troops and 100 more tanks. They will arrive in the Albanian shores by Page 59
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 18:32:10 GMT
Only for John Marston You said you need guns. I'll get 1250 from Turkey, you can use some of those. Also, I'll attack Germany ASAP. I'll attack from the Maginot Line, and I've got a bunch of tanks. In Albania I think we should dig in and defend because I haven't got any tanks and the mountains are quite impenetrable, however, an amphibious landing in Romania could work, although it's a bit bold, and ot would require a lot of ships. Also, can I use Malta as a base? And finally, I'm considering using Denmark to attack Germany from the north, what do you think? Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov Sure. The guns will be helpful. I'd like to leave the Maginot front to you because it will go nowhere. Both you and Germany are very well dug in. I'd advise you to limit the action there though. It will be hard there and an attack through Denmark is probably the best option. Or how about bypassing them via Italy. I will land my forces on Albania and we can link up over there and push north, directly into the enemy's heart. As per the peace terms, you are allowed to pass through Italy I suppose? And of course, you can use Malta as base.
We have to create a distraction so that the Soviets don't intervene to their full potential otherwise we can't stand a chance against both of them.
Unless we get Poland to our side. If we can get Poland to support us, a two way thrust, one from Poland and one from Austria should be enough I think. It will also create a buffer between the Soviets and Germans.
Now this is all considering that we link our forces. Let me know if you have a better idea. Only for John MarstonI'll go through all fronts one by one.
1. The Maginot Line, the Germans are definitely well dug in, but I'm a bit reluctant to abandon the front altogether, since it's hard to transport alot of forces to Denmark before the enemy reacts. If we could distract some of the defenders to move elsewhere, that'd be good. If I'm not mistaken, the defence line doesn't extend to the Benelux so a concentrated attack through Luxembourg could be an option.
2. As to Albania, I'd opt to defend because of the mountains and because I don't have a lot of tanks there. I suggested an attack on Romania to Poland. I'd land in Romania amphibiously and Poland would cut off the enemy's rear. That could also certainly serve as a distraction for an attack in the west. Also, I can't pass through mainland Italy, but I can pass through Italian controlled Yugoslavia, so perhaps a landing in Slovenia could work, although it's quite dangerous.
3. Denmark certainly seems like a good option. I can invade it right away, but I think we should first gather a big landinh force to maintain the element of surprise. What do you think? Also, if Poland joins we could send some troops to Poland.
4. Finally, what kind of distraction are you thinking about to stall the Soviets? I have 100,000 troops in Latvia. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 28, 2023 18:56:04 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus War between great powers has begun after Spain declared war on Austria-Hungary. I trust that Poland will choose to side with Spain in this conflict. I can land in Romania with 600,000 troops if you can simultaneously attack from Polish controlled Romania to cut off enemy reinforcements. Only for Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovBecause I'm surrounded by Austria-Hungary and I have a non-aggression pact with them I won't be able to directly participate in this war.
Although, I can "return" you some of the land that I "didn't give" after the invasion of Romania and also lend you most of my airforce. I won't be sending more than 100k troops and 500 tanks though. |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 28, 2023 18:59:53 GMT
As the Soviet Union, we deem it necessary to make some announcements about the new developments in the West.
Comrades, it seems like we're at an important turning point in the history of the world. And these new developments are quite worrying, with the military tensions rising again. The bourgeoisie seems again to be planning a war, sending the proletariat to murder rach other for fictitious excuses like nationality, religion and so on, which the bourgeoisie uses to brainwash us into massacring each other. As the Soviet Union, the protector of the international proletariat, we shall not allow this! The bourgeoisie always sends us poor workers to kill each other for their own profit. War brings no good, it's just a form of legal massacre. We shall not allow Europe and the world to have a world war for the profit of the bourgeoisie, those parasites, again. The horrors of the previous war should not be repeated. There is no war but class war. Let's bring down our true enemy; the bourgeoisie, not our fellow siblings from other countries! Let's help each other to take our rights back! They say human rights, while millions of are living under horrible conditions, while a few lucky parasites have more than they'd ever need.
Therefore, we shall do whatever it takes to fight for the interest of the proletariat. We'll do whatever it takes to liberate our siblings in other countries from the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. The Western powers claim to be democracies, when they are not in fact. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're a slave. Choosing a pupppet for the interests of the rich for a few years doesn't mean democracy.
True democracy means the people controlling the politics themselves, using worker and citizen councils, just like we're doing. Of course, we have many flaws as well with the mistakes of our past administrations, about which we'll soon announce important reforms. Progressivism is an inseperable part of Marxism.
As the Soviet Union, we declare that we shall fight for the interests of the proletariat until our last breath. Let's bring true democracy to this world together. Let's revolt against the bourgeoisie, the monarchies, all of them. We demand democracy for everyone! We demand liberty for everyone, not just the rich! We demand equality for everyone, not just those who're lucky to be born to rich families. We demand human rights for everyone! Liberty, equality and solidarity for everyone, if they really care about human rights like they claim, they should bow to the will of the workers!
We call to all countries, from the democracies to monarchies (they all know themselves), bow to the will of the people, and lay down thwir arms. We don't want the horrow of the World War being repeated. If you want our support, you must bow to the will of the workers. But if you don't, know that we won't remain silent while millions of workers are sent to slaughter each other for the interests of few politicians! If they want to fight, let's lay down our arms and let them kill each other.
Comrades! Let the ruling class tremble at a socialist revolution! We have nothing to lose but our chains, and a world to gain! Not a single wheel can turn without us, the bourgeoisie is nothing without the power of our labor. Let's fight for human rights and human gain, let's fight for humanity, for liberty, for equality, for democracy! For the International!
Workers of the world, unite!
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 28, 2023 19:16:48 GMT
Therefore, as stated above, we call all the major powers to join the cause of the proletariat, the humanity, if they want our support. The working class shall not make any concessions. You are either with us, or against us. And you wouldn't want to face the might of the power of the proletariat, we're the biggest army of the world. If you really care about democracy like you claim, you'll join us. Or, if you don't, you'll unfortunately be known as one of the obstacles ahead of the ultimate victory of humanity; communism. I repeat, you wouldn't want to face our might, the biggest army of all. But do not even try to deceive us just to gain our support, for the proletariat shall no longer believe the sweet lies of the bourgeoisie. Don't forget, this is not a threat, this is merely the demand of your peoples, one you've been ignoring for way too long. The proletariat shall no longer bow to the will of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. If you want equality and liberty for all, then you are our friend. But if not, do not expect us workers to support a meaningless world war. Don't forget, you can choose peace. It's your choice in the end, we have stated your options. If you reject, do not expect us to support you. And think again, considering our military might. Everyone standing in the way of the solidarity of the international proletariat shall learn our might the hard way. I'd suggest you bow to the will of your people and join us, the socialists. To the leaders of France, Spain, Poland and Austria-Hungary; Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, John Marston, Darth Nihilus, Warlord247- The People of the Soviet Union, approved by all the members of the Communist International |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 19:53:47 GMT
Unless the great people of the Soviet Union are blind and deaf, it should be clear who in this war between Spain and Austria-Hungary is a friend of the proletariat. Claiming free democracy to be a vicious mean to control the masses does not change the fact, that it was the Spanish supporters of democracy that with the help of France suppressed the violent fascist uprising of Franco, and that it is France and Spain who allow communist parties to thrive with no limits to their power, except the will of the people. The French government considers the autocratic politburo claims to be the beacon of freedom and justice, insulting France while Austria-Hungary is illegally attacking peaceful countries and limiting the power of the people. France wishes no hostilities with us and the Soviet Union, but hope that they really see through Austrian lies.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 19:56:09 GMT
Only for Darth Nihilus War between great powers has begun after Spain declared war on Austria-Hungary. I trust that Poland will choose to side with Spain in this conflict. I can land in Romania with 600,000 troops if you can simultaneously attack from Polish controlled Romania to cut off enemy reinforcements. Only for Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovBecause I'm surrounded by Austria-Hungary and I have a non-aggression pact with them I won't be able to directly participate in this war.
Although, I can "return" you some of the land that I "didn't give" after the invasion of Romania and also lend you most of my airforce. I won't be sending more than 100k troops and 500 tanks though. Only for Darth NihilusOkay, that will still be helpful. I will advance to Polish Romania and continue from there then. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 19:59:02 GMT
Only for John MarstonPoland claims to have a non-aggression pact with Austria-Hungary, but they promised to lend their airforce and help with 100,000 men and 500 tanks as well as give me some land from Romania. |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 28, 2023 20:16:41 GMT
Unless the great people of the Soviet Union are blind and deaf, it should be clear who in this war between Spain and Austria-Hungary is a friend of the proletariat. Claiming free democracy to be a vicious mean to control the masses does not change the fact, that it was the Spanish supporters of democracy that with the help of France suppressed the violent fascist uprising of Franco, and that it is France and Spain who allow communist parties to thrive with no limits to their power, except the will of the people. The French government considers the autocratic politburo claims to be the beacon of freedom and justice, insulting France while Austria-Hungary is illegally attacking peaceful countries and limiting the power of the people. France wishes no hostilities with us and the Soviet Union, but hope that they really see through Austrian lies. Unless the great leader of France is blind to our real words, as the Soviet Union, we're against both capitalists and monarchies, which we've openly stated. In your countries, the bourgeoisie openly controls the politics, it was only via revolution that our comrades in Spain managed to achieve a form of socialism; our comrades POUM and CNT-FAI. The previous leader of the Soviet Union, Stalin, has done many wrongs, and Spain is one of them. Never have I denied this. Everybody makes mistakes, and while our rapid industrilization is thanks to him, he made many mistakes by harming our democracy. However, I'm not him, and your blind bias against us due to the past mistskes of our past administration is very much unfair. I didn't expect the leader of France to be this biased. Also, you actively have many colonies across the world, you're imperialist. Yes, you're a republic, better than a monarchy, yet you're still an imperialist country. Also, you claim to be democratic; yet you're still capitalist. Your ideology, capitalism, is inherently incompatible with democracy. Representative liberal democracies are not really democratic: choosing a puppet of the rich for a few years is not democracy. Do you know what real democracy is? The citizens being directly able to govern themselves, via worker and citizen councils. Look at CNT-FAI, for another good example. Also, political democracy without economic democracy is not enough. Is there anything more democratic tham the people controlling the economy themselves, instead of some lucky elite? Socialism is inherently the most democratic system possible, it means workers' control of the means of production. Now, let me ask you, is there anything more democratic than the workers and the citizens controlling the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites? Now, I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes in the past. Our previous leaders did. However, I'm not the same as them. Of course, words aren't enough without actions to back them, and we're working on new reforms to improve workers' democracy. We can learn from our past mistakes. And now, I want to ask you to join us. Are you still doubtful of us? Then I can explain further to convince you of our cause. Don't you think humanity is worth fighting for? We do. We're fighting for human rights for all. We're figthing for democracy, freedom, and equality for all. Because liberty without equality, like in your country and capitalism, is privilege. And equality without liberty is slavery. Our cause is combining liberty and equality both at the same time. Now, let me ask you, am I wrong? Be honest, and tell me, is all of this not true? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 28, 2023 20:34:01 GMT
Unless the great people of the Soviet Union are blind and deaf, it should be clear who in this war between Spain and Austria-Hungary is a friend of the proletariat. Claiming free democracy to be a vicious mean to control the masses does not change the fact, that it was the Spanish supporters of democracy that with the help of France suppressed the violent fascist uprising of Franco, and that it is France and Spain who allow communist parties to thrive with no limits to their power, except the will of the people. The French government considers the autocratic politburo claims to be the beacon of freedom and justice, insulting France while Austria-Hungary is illegally attacking peaceful countries and limiting the power of the people. France wishes no hostilities with us and the Soviet Union, but hope that they really see through Austrian lies. Unless the great leader of France is blind to our real words, as the Soviet Union, we're against both capitalists and monarchies, which we've openly stated. In your countries, the bourgeoisie openly controls the politics, it was only via revolution that our comrades in Spain managed to achieve a form of socialism; our comrades POUM and CNT-FAI. The previous leader of the Soviet Union, Stalin, has done many wrongs, and Spain is one of them. Never have I denied this. Everybody makes mistakes, and while our rapid industrilization is thanks to him, he made many mistakes by harming our democracy. However, I'm not him, and your blind bias against us due to the past mistskes of our past administration is very much unfair. I didn't expect the leader of France to be this biased. Also, you actively have many colonies across the world, you're imperialist. Yes, you're a republic, better than a monarchy, yet you're still an imperialist country. Also, you claim to be democratic; yet you're still capitalist. Your ideology, capitalism, is inherently incompatible with democracy. Representative liberal democracies are not really democratic: choosing a puppet of the rich for a few years is not democracy. Do you know what real democracy is? The citizens being directly able to control them, via worker and citizen councils. Also, political democracy without economic democracy is not enough. Is there anything more democratic tham the people controlling the economy themselves, instead of some lucky elite? Socialism is inherently the most democratic system possible, it means workers' control of the means of production. Now, let me ask you, is there anything more democratic than the workers and the citizens controlling the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites? Now, I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes in the past. Our previous leaders did. However, I'm not the same as them. Of course, words aren't enough without actions to back them, and we're working on new reforms to improve workers' democracy. We can learn from our past mistakes. And now, I want to ask you to join us. Are you still doubtful of us? Then I can explain further to convince you of our cause. Don't you think humanity is worth fighting for? We do. We're fighting for human rights for all. We're figthing for democracy, freedom, and equality for all. Because liberty without equality, like in your country and capitalism, is privilege. And equality without liberty is slavery. Our cause is combining them both at the same time. Now, let me ask you, am I wrong? Be honest, and tell me, is all of this not true? Stating that the bourgeoisie controls the political field of France in an outrageous insult against French democracy. Can you deny that without the Great French Revolution you would still be under the yoke of the Tsar? France is a democracy in all meanings of the word, atleast in all meanings sensible people accept. The communist parties have exactly as much influence as the people wish it to have. New elections will be shortly held, but the Popular Front is currently in power and radical socialists and communists in the leftist government. The government is a friend of the proletariat, and was voted to power by the proletariat, but it will not, which is the will of the French proletariat, agree to demolish the foundations of the French Republic and with it the unity of the French people. As to Spain, was it not the communist party backed by Stalin who persecuted and repressed the POUM and the CNT? |
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