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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 28, 2023 20:51:24 GMT
Unless the great leader of France is blind to our real words, as the Soviet Union, we're against both capitalists and monarchies, which we've openly stated. In your countries, the bourgeoisie openly controls the politics, it was only via revolution that our comrades in Spain managed to achieve a form of socialism; our comrades POUM and CNT-FAI. The previous leader of the Soviet Union, Stalin, has done many wrongs, and Spain is one of them. Never have I denied this. Everybody makes mistakes, and while our rapid industrilization is thanks to him, he made many mistakes by harming our democracy. However, I'm not him, and your blind bias against us due to the past mistskes of our past administration is very much unfair. I didn't expect the leader of France to be this biased. Also, you actively have many colonies across the world, you're imperialist. Yes, you're a republic, better than a monarchy, yet you're still an imperialist country. Also, you claim to be democratic; yet you're still capitalist. Your ideology, capitalism, is inherently incompatible with democracy. Representative liberal democracies are not really democratic: choosing a puppet of the rich for a few years is not democracy. Do you know what real democracy is? The citizens being directly able to control them, via worker and citizen councils. Also, political democracy without economic democracy is not enough. Is there anything more democratic tham the people controlling the economy themselves, instead of some lucky elite? Socialism is inherently the most democratic system possible, it means workers' control of the means of production. Now, let me ask you, is there anything more democratic than the workers and the citizens controlling the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites? Now, I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes in the past. Our previous leaders did. However, I'm not the same as them. Of course, words aren't enough without actions to back them, and we're working on new reforms to improve workers' democracy. We can learn from our past mistakes. And now, I want to ask you to join us. Are you still doubtful of us? Then I can explain further to convince you of our cause. Don't you think humanity is worth fighting for? We do. We're fighting for human rights for all. We're figthing for democracy, freedom, and equality for all. Because liberty without equality, like in your country and capitalism, is privilege. And equality without liberty is slavery. Our cause is combining them both at the same time. Now, let me ask you, am I wrong? Be honest, and tell me, is all of this not true? Stating that the bourgeoisie controls the political field of France in an outrageous insult against French democracy. Can you deny that without the Great French Revolution you would still be under the yoke of the Tsar? France is a democracy in all meanings of the word, atleast in all meanings sensible people accept. The communist parties have exactly as much influence as the people wish it to have. New elections will be shortly held, but the Popular Front is currently in power and radical socialists and communists in the leftist government. The government is a friend of the proletariat, and was voted to power by the proletariat, but it will not, which is the will of the French proletariat, agree to demolish the foundations of the French Republic and with it the unity of the French people. As to Spain, was it not the communist party backed by Stalin who persecuted and repressed the POUM and the CNT? When the proletariat tries to pass a meaningful reform, the rich does everything they can to prevent it. If the goverment tried to make a radical change, the rich would flee the country, which would destabilize your economy, as you use capitalism. Either way, liberal democracy is an oxymoron, because choosing a representative doesn't really mean democracy. Instead, our system allows people to actively participate in the system. And unlike you, we have economical democracy: the workers control the means of production in socialism. I repeat, is there anything more democratic than the people controlling the economy themselves, instead of some lucky elite? Also, the rich owns the media, they can buy politicians with bribes, don't tell me it doesn't happen in France too. The bourgeoisie and the law serves the interests of the bourgeoisie, and you cannot change the sysrem from within. As the USSR, we support reformist parties, however it's futile to try to change the system from within. Because the liberal democratic system is literally designed to prevent such a change. The rich owns the media, for example. They're trying to prevent the working class from gaining class concsciousness and seeing the truth about capitalism. The bourgeoisie is sending us to fight meaningless wars and kill fellow workers. There's no war but class war. Yes, capitalism was a necessary stage of the human history, starting from primitive communism on the way to the ultimate stage of commumism. Our ideology is based on scientifical methods and the analysis of history. Capitalism is no longer stable, it's started to collapse with the Great Depression. We, the USSR, weren't affected by it, yet France suffered too much due to it. The French proletariat suffered too much, while the rich wasn't affected by this. Because they have the undeserved wealth to afford everything they cam't even realistically need while millions starve. While millions of workers have to work under horrible conditions. Also, you haven't said anything about your colonies? You accuse me due to the mistakes of Stalin, but you actively have colonies at the same time. You're an imperialist country. That's just hypocritical. Although you, my French friend, resist to see it, I have literally stated that I oppose Stalinism, and although he did help our industrialization, he failed in diplomacy and democracy. Although some claim he had another reason for Spain (the popular front policy required him to compromise in such topics), this doesn't excuse his betrayal, I firmly oppose his actions about this, there is simply no excuse. I acknowledge this, and I disagree with such actions of his. Moreover, I also personally support anarcho-commumism, and I see CNT-FAI as a great example of an attempt at a communist society. Our end goal is the same as them: a classless, stateless, and moneyless society. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 28, 2023 23:22:23 GMT
In response to the current escalating tensions between the Soviets and the French-Spanish, Poland is re-evaluating their defenses.
Divisions are 20k men each.
Gdansk: 5 divisions, 200 fighters, 100 bombers, 500 guns, 500 tanks, 7 destroyers
Wroclaw: 20 divisions, 400 fighters, 100 bombers, 3000 guns, 1500 tanks
Bucharest: 20 divisions, 400 fighters, 100 bombers, 1960 guns, 1950 tanks
We have created a reserve unit of 10 divisions, 1000 tanks, 107 bombers, 200 fighters just in case a sticky situation occurs.
Factory production (4): 60 tanks, 15 transport aircraft, 1 submarine per page (for the next 5 pages, then 60 guns)
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 28, 2023 23:24:55 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, Owing to the diplomatic pressure put on me by the Soviets and the fact that I am surrounded by Austria-Hungary, I hope that you will keep to your original plan and only use our Romanian base. I have no wish to start a war in the Baltics where my defenses are weakest.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 30, 2023 9:47:11 GMT
Only for Darth NihilusI propose a treaty, which will include non-aggression, and that neither of us will allow armed forces hostile to the other access through our lands. |
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Post by John Marston on Jun 30, 2023 9:51:30 GMT
Since Germany has fallen out of position of fame and power and has collapsed, I propose a meeting of the leaders of concerned European powers - namely France, Spain, Soviet Union to a conference to carve up Germany peacefully. Armed conflict does no good to humans and the biggest threat to Spain has collapsed. Ours is an era of peace, not war and the balance of power must be maintained in Europe. Let this serve as a warning to all those nations who try to horde all the land and power and threaten the independence of innocent neutral countries. Let this also be a warning to all those states who claim to be 'communist' but in reality, is an oligarchic dictator holding entire power and misusing the concept of class struggle. This, my fellow humans is what happens if you don't allow power to the people.
On this occasion, I would like to announce free and fair elections to be held in Spain. The period of turmoil and internal strife between our fellow countrymen is over and ahead of us, lies Glory and fame to be achieved. In order to do that, we need to be at peace with ourselves first and weed out all foreign influence, especially from the people who supported our enemies during the recent civil war. Let this day be known in history as the day when Democracy started to flourish in Europe and let this be remembered as the day which symbolises the fall of autocratic nations, thus restoring power to its original wielders - The common people.
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 10:24:45 GMT
Since Germany has fallen out of position of fame and power and has collapsed, I propose a meeting of the leaders of concerned European powers - namely France, Spain, Soviet Union to a conference to carve up Germany peacefully. Armed conflict does no good to humans and the biggest threat to Spain has collapsed. Ours is an era of peace, not war and the balance of power must be maintained in Europe. Let this serve as a warning to all those nations who try to horde all the land and power and threaten the independence of innocent neutral countries. Let this also be a warning to all those states who claim to be 'communist' but in reality, is an oligarchic dictator holding entire power and misusing the concept of class struggle. This, my fellow humans is what happens if you don't allow power to the people. On this occasion, I would like to announce free and fair elections to be held in Spain. The period of turmoil and internal strife between our fellow countrymen is over and ahead of us, lies Glory and fame to be achieved. In order to do that, we need to be at peace with ourselves first and weed out all foreign influence, especially from the people who supported our enemies during the recent civil war. Let this day be known in history as the day when Democracy started to flourish in Europe and let this be remembered as the day which symbolises the fall of autocratic nations, thus restoring power to its original wielders - The common people. You claim to be a democracy, while in fact you're just living under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You claim us to be an oligarchy, while we're living under Soviet democracy. You may not understand that there may be a more democratic system than liberal democracy, especially if you're the one who benefits from it. Unless you take your words back, do not expect us to take you seriously. If you understood diplomacy, you'd understand that insulting your opponent isn't the way to go when you propose a conference. But alas, under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the state is nothing more than a tool for the ruling class to systematically exploit the workers. The bourgeoisie is seeking war with us, and the workers in your control will be the victims for this. No, we shall not allow a new world war. I'm not even counting that your message is full of lies, but alas, not everyone is capable of understanding true democracy: the people controlling the economy themselves. Political democracy without economic democracy is not democracy. You don't even have political democracy anyway, because chooing a puppet of the rich for 4 years doesn't mean democracy. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're still a slave. Democracy is the people controlling politics and the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites. Democracy is not choosing your master to represent you. The problem isn't who sits on the throne. The problem is the throne itself, which we seek to abolish. No gods, no masters, no tsars, no presidents, no kaisers. The people must govern themselves, like in socialism. The only true democracy is socialism: the people collectively owning the means of production themselves, and working to better themselves and the society as a whole, instead of working for the profit of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 30, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
Since Germany has fallen out of position of fame and power and has collapsed, I propose a meeting of the leaders of concerned European powers - namely France, Spain, Soviet Union to a conference to carve up Germany peacefully. Armed conflict does no good to humans and the biggest threat to Spain has collapsed. Ours is an era of peace, not war and the balance of power must be maintained in Europe. Let this serve as a warning to all those nations who try to horde all the land and power and threaten the independence of innocent neutral countries. Let this also be a warning to all those states who claim to be 'communist' but in reality, is an oligarchic dictator holding entire power and misusing the concept of class struggle. This, my fellow humans is what happens if you don't allow power to the people. On this occasion, I would like to announce free and fair elections to be held in Spain. The period of turmoil and internal strife between our fellow countrymen is over and ahead of us, lies Glory and fame to be achieved. In order to do that, we need to be at peace with ourselves first and weed out all foreign influence, especially from the people who supported our enemies during the recent civil war. Let this day be known in history as the day when Democracy started to flourish in Europe and let this be remembered as the day which symbolises the fall of autocratic nations, thus restoring power to its original wielders - The common people. You claim to be a democracy, while in fact you're just living under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You claim us to be an oligarchy, while we're living under Soviet democracy. You may not understand that there may be a more democratic system than liberal democracy, especially if you're the one who benefits from it. Unless you take your words back, do not expect us to take you seriously. If you understood diplomacy, you'd understand that insulting your opponent isn't the way to go when you propose a conference. But alas, under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the state is nothing more than a tool for the ruling class to systematically exploit the workers. The bourgeoisie is seeking war with us, and the workers in your control will be the victims for this. No, we shall not allow a new world war. I'm not even counting that your message is full of lies, but alas, not everyone is capable of understanding true democracy: the people controlling the economy themselves. Political democracy without economic democracy is not democracy. You don't even have political democracy anyway, because chooing a puppet of the rich for 4 years doesn't mean democracy. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're still a slave. Democracy is the people controlling politics and the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites. Democracy is not choosing your master to represent you. The problem isn't who sits on the throne. The problem is the throne itself, which we seek to abolish. No gods, no masters, no tsars, no presidents, no kaisers. The people must govern themselves, like in socialism. The only true democracy is socialism: the people collectively owning the means of production themselves, and working to better themselves and the society as a whole, instead of working for the profit of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. What about the meeting? |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 11:29:48 GMT
Only for Darth NihilusSo, with Austria-Hungary ultimately leaving, only you, me, France and Slain have left. France and Spain are already allied, which leaves me alone and outnumbered. And you too. They can easily attack you without my or Austria-Hungary's support. As we are both alone now, what else is there for us to do except ultimately allying too, just like them?
So, I'm proposing an ultimate alliance, that will continue at least as long as the current balance remains. Otherwise, the RP will be very unfair, with one side overpowered against a single country. For the RP to be able to realistically continue, we need more or less balance in the alliances. In my proposed alliance, France and I would deal with each other, while you'd balance the force of Spain.
My only condition is that you announce the results of your new election, and that at least the social democrats/democratic socialists win it. You can still be democratic of course. The reason I propose this is roleplaying reasons; if our ideologies aligned, it'd be easier for us to cooperate. France and Spain are already doing this. Why not we do it too?
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 11:29:58 GMT
You claim to be a democracy, while in fact you're just living under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You claim us to be an oligarchy, while we're living under Soviet democracy. You may not understand that there may be a more democratic system than liberal democracy, especially if you're the one who benefits from it. Unless you take your words back, do not expect us to take you seriously. If you understood diplomacy, you'd understand that insulting your opponent isn't the way to go when you propose a conference. But alas, under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the state is nothing more than a tool for the ruling class to systematically exploit the workers. The bourgeoisie is seeking war with us, and the workers in your control will be the victims for this. No, we shall not allow a new world war. I'm not even counting that your message is full of lies, but alas, not everyone is capable of understanding true democracy: the people controlling the economy themselves. Political democracy without economic democracy is not democracy. You don't even have political democracy anyway, because chooing a puppet of the rich for 4 years doesn't mean democracy. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're still a slave. Democracy is the people controlling politics and the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites. Democracy is not choosing your master to represent you. The problem isn't who sits on the throne. The problem is the throne itself, which we seek to abolish. No gods, no masters, no tsars, no presidents, no kaisers. The people must govern themselves, like in socialism. The only true democracy is socialism: the people collectively owning the means of production themselves, and working to better themselves and the society as a whole, instead of working for the profit of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. What about the meeting? Unless Spain takes their statement back, it is not possible for us to take them seriously. Don't expect us to take such insults silently. If the wish of the leader of Spain was truly peace with us, they wouldn't need to add insults and lies in it to provoke us. They're merely looking for excuses to declare war by provoking us. Regardless of the behavior of the Spanish, I won't blame you for their mistakes. Therefore, I'm open to a meeting with you. |
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Post by John Marston on Jun 30, 2023 12:40:26 GMT
Since Germany has fallen out of position of fame and power and has collapsed, I propose a meeting of the leaders of concerned European powers - namely France, Spain, Soviet Union to a conference to carve up Germany peacefully. Armed conflict does no good to humans and the biggest threat to Spain has collapsed. Ours is an era of peace, not war and the balance of power must be maintained in Europe. Let this serve as a warning to all those nations who try to horde all the land and power and threaten the independence of innocent neutral countries. Let this also be a warning to all those states who claim to be 'communist' but in reality, is an oligarchic dictator holding entire power and misusing the concept of class struggle. This, my fellow humans is what happens if you don't allow power to the people. On this occasion, I would like to announce free and fair elections to be held in Spain. The period of turmoil and internal strife between our fellow countrymen is over and ahead of us, lies Glory and fame to be achieved. In order to do that, we need to be at peace with ourselves first and weed out all foreign influence, especially from the people who supported our enemies during the recent civil war. Let this day be known in history as the day when Democracy started to flourish in Europe and let this be remembered as the day which symbolises the fall of autocratic nations, thus restoring power to its original wielders - The common people. You claim to be a democracy, while in fact you're just living under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You claim us to be an oligarchy, while we're living under Soviet democracy. You may not understand that there may be a more democratic system than liberal democracy, especially if you're the one who benefits from it. Unless you take your words back, do not expect us to take you seriously. If you understood diplomacy, you'd understand that insulting your opponent isn't the way to go when you propose a conference. But alas, under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the state is nothing more than a tool for the ruling class to systematically exploit the workers. The bourgeoisie is seeking war with us, and the workers in your control will be the victims for this. No, we shall not allow a new world war. I'm not even counting that your message is full of lies, but alas, not everyone is capable of understanding true democracy: the people controlling the economy themselves. Political democracy without economic democracy is not democracy. You don't even have political democracy anyway, because chooing a puppet of the rich for 4 years doesn't mean democracy. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're still a slave. Democracy is the people controlling politics and the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites. Democracy is not choosing your master to represent you. The problem isn't who sits on the throne. The problem is the throne itself, which we seek to abolish. No gods, no masters, no tsars, no presidents, no kaisers. The people must govern themselves, like in socialism. The only true democracy is socialism: the people collectively owning the means of production themselves, and working to better themselves and the society as a whole, instead of working for the profit of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. What do you have to support your claims? You have just finishing meddling in our country and where will you meddle next? Poland? Africa? China? I have just announced free and impartial elections to be held and yet you talk about us being ruled by the bourgeoisie and yet, as I said, you horde all power in your country. Speaking about seeking war, have you conveniently forgot that just a few years ago you have meddled in our internal affairs by supporting the fascist Franco? In spite of fascism being your biggest enemy, you not only meddled, but supported the same rulers who wanted to destroy you. Tell me now who is seeking war and trying to expand his own power? You sent your own young men to die for the same people who wanted to destroy you. You claim to have true democracy, but you have conquered and subjugated the Balkans, the Baltics, the muslim minority the various ingenious tribes in your far eastern lands. Why? Because you want to exploit their resources for your own personal gain. You have purged many of your own kind. Why? Because they were a threat to your power? I'm not spewing lies, for I have the biggest respect to the People of the Soviet Union, who suffered a lot under your autocratic rule. By shying away from the conference, you merely confirm my statements. |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 12:57:02 GMT
You claim to be a democracy, while in fact you're just living under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You claim us to be an oligarchy, while we're living under Soviet democracy. You may not understand that there may be a more democratic system than liberal democracy, especially if you're the one who benefits from it. Unless you take your words back, do not expect us to take you seriously. If you understood diplomacy, you'd understand that insulting your opponent isn't the way to go when you propose a conference. But alas, under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the state is nothing more than a tool for the ruling class to systematically exploit the workers. The bourgeoisie is seeking war with us, and the workers in your control will be the victims for this. No, we shall not allow a new world war. I'm not even counting that your message is full of lies, but alas, not everyone is capable of understanding true democracy: the people controlling the economy themselves. Political democracy without economic democracy is not democracy. You don't even have political democracy anyway, because chooing a puppet of the rich for 4 years doesn't mean democracy. Choosing your master doesn't change the fact you're still a slave. Democracy is the people controlling politics and the economy themselves, instead of a few lucky elites. Democracy is not choosing your master to represent you. The problem isn't who sits on the throne. The problem is the throne itself, which we seek to abolish. No gods, no masters, no tsars, no presidents, no kaisers. The people must govern themselves, like in socialism. The only true democracy is socialism: the people collectively owning the means of production themselves, and working to better themselves and the society as a whole, instead of working for the profit of the parasites known as the bourgeoisie. What do you have to support your claims? You have just finishing meddling in our country and where will you meddle next? Poland? Africa? China? I have just announced free and impartial elections to be held and yet you talk about us being ruled by the bourgeoisie and yet, as I said, you horde all power in your country. Speaking about seeking war, have you conveniently forgot that just a few years ago you have meddled in our internal affairs by supporting the fascist Franco? In spite of fascism being your biggest enemy, you not only meddled, but supported the same rulers who wanted to destroy you. Tell me now who is seeking war and trying to expand his own power? You sent your own young men to die for the same people who wanted to destroy you. You claim to have true democracy, but you have conquered and subjugated the Balkans, the Baltics, the muslim minority the various ingenious tribes in your far eastern lands. Why? Because you want to exploit their resources for your own personal gain. You have purged many of your own kind. Why? Because they were a threat to your power? I'm not spewing lies, for I have the biggest respect to the People of the Soviet Union, who suffered a lot under your autocratic rule. By shying away from the conference, you merely confirm my statements. 1. Excuse me? What are you talking about? We literally saved you by sending aid to you during the Civil War. Although our previous leader, Stalin, wronged the anarchists, the republic you have today has survived thanka to us and France. How did we support Franco in any way? I'd suggesst that you, my Spanish friend, go read the history of your country. 2. The USSR is a democratic country, consisting of many partially independent republics. We are more democraric than you, because people themselves control our politics via worker and citizen councils, known as the Soviets. You can visit us and see it for yourself. 3. How can you accuse us of imperialism whwn you literally have colonies in Africa? Your ally France has colonies throughout the world. You're a hypocrite. 4. Every Soviet Republic has the constitutional right to secede from the union. You can go read our constitution. 5. I have not purged anyone, for I am not Stalin. Stalin did many wrongs, correct, for which I'm glad that I'm here now instead of him. You cannot blame me for his mistakes. Or I can blame you personally for every mistake the Spanish nation has ever done, even the ones you had naturally no control over. 6. I openly stated I'm open to a meeting with French. But not you, unless you take your lies and insults back. I'll be waiting for your answer, but probably you won't do it. Because you don't have any replies for any of this. I wondee how you'll excuse your and your allies' colonies, while trying to accuse me of imperialism. How hypocritical. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 30, 2023 13:00:57 GMT
Eugene V. Debs, to begin the negotiations, France demands that Germany, Austria, Czechia, and Yugoslavia are occupied by the French military until new governments can be established.
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 13:24:42 GMT
Eugene V. Debs, to begin the negotiations, France demands that Germany, Austria, Czechia, and Yugoslavia are occupied by the French military until new governments can be established. 1. Excuse me? Am I reading this correctly? Of course I refuse. Are we trying to cooperate for the new order of Europe, or are you trying to gain new colonies? I thought you'd be better than the Spanish, you're disappointing us. Or should I be surprised when you literally have colonies from almost every continent in the world? 2. Secondly, Poland is also affected by this. I don't think the Polish people will want to be surrounded by you now, the French empire replacing the Austro-Hungarian empire. The people of Poland ( Darth Nihilus) should also have a say on this. 3. Thirdly, you're trying to make a new Versailles. I don't I need to remind how it turned out. The imperialist powers decided on the fate of the world, and now it's happening again. I understand you want to have control over this to ensure the stabilization of the new order, but invading every country isn't the way to go, my French friend. At the very least, we should take an equal part in this to ensure that a new empire doesn't rise again. You, a democracy, and we, a socialist country, are both against monarchy in the end, right? Then, we must cooperate and take more equals part from the former Austria-Hungary, balancing each other. To be honest, your proposition of taking all this territory to yourself doesn't seem like cooperation to me. Or else, I'll demand the same: all former Austro-Hungarian territory must be occupied by the Soviet military and a democratic socialist order must be established until the international tensions stop. Since you fought for them in the Spanish Civil War, I assume you have no problem with this, unless you don't trust me. But I'd also that case, I'd argue why I should trust you when you literally have an active empire. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Jun 30, 2023 13:41:29 GMT
Eugene V. Debs, to begin the negotiations, France demands that Germany, Austria, Czechia, and Yugoslavia are occupied by the French military until new governments can be established. 1. Excuse me? Am I reading this correctly? Of course I refuse. Are we trying to cooperate for the new order of Europe, or are you trying to gain new colonies? I thought you'd be better than the Spanish, you're disappointing us. Or should I be surprised when you literally have colonies from almost every continent in the world? 2. Secondly, Poland is also affected by this. I don't think the Polish people will want to be surrounded by you now, the French empire replacing the Austro-Hungarian empire. The people of Poland ( Darth Nihilus) should also have a say on this. 3. Thirdly, you're trying to make a new Versailles. I don't I need to remind how it turned out. The imperialist powers decided on the fate of the world, and now it's happening again. I understand you want to have control over this to ensure the stabilization of the new order, but invading every country isn't the way to go, my French friend. At the very least, we should take an equal part in this to ensure that a new empire doesn't rise again. You, a democracy, and we, a socialist country, are both against monarchy in the end, right? Then, we must cooperate and take more equals part from the former Austria-Hungary, balancing each other. To be honest, your proposition of taking all this territory to yourself doesn't seem like cooperation to me. Or else, I'll demand the same: all former Austro-Hungarian territory must be occupied by the Soviet military and a democratic socialist order must be established until the international tensions stop. Since you fought for them in the Spanish Civil War, I assume you have no problem with this, unless you don't trust me. But I'd also that case, I'd argue why I should trust you when you literally have an active empire. France will not under any circumstances allow the Soviet Union to occupy all of Europe. I will however, give you Serbia, Vojvodina, Hungary, and Romania. Czechoslovakia should, as a sovereign democracy, become totally independent free of occupation. As to Poland, I will gladly allow the annexation of Eastern German lands to Poland. |
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Jun 30, 2023 14:09:12 GMT
1. Excuse me? Am I reading this correctly? Of course I refuse. Are we trying to cooperate for the new order of Europe, or are you trying to gain new colonies? I thought you'd be better than the Spanish, you're disappointing us. Or should I be surprised when you literally have colonies from almost every continent in the world? 2. Secondly, Poland is also affected by this. I don't think the Polish people will want to be surrounded by you now, the French empire replacing the Austro-Hungarian empire. The people of Poland ( Darth Nihilus) should also have a say on this. 3. Thirdly, you're trying to make a new Versailles. I don't I need to remind how it turned out. The imperialist powers decided on the fate of the world, and now it's happening again. I understand you want to have control over this to ensure the stabilization of the new order, but invading every country isn't the way to go, my French friend. At the very least, we should take an equal part in this to ensure that a new empire doesn't rise again. You, a democracy, and we, a socialist country, are both against monarchy in the end, right? Then, we must cooperate and take more equals part from the former Austria-Hungary, balancing each other. To be honest, your proposition of taking all this territory to yourself doesn't seem like cooperation to me. Or else, I'll demand the same: all former Austro-Hungarian territory must be occupied by the Soviet military and a democratic socialist order must be established until the international tensions stop. Since you fought for them in the Spanish Civil War, I assume you have no problem with this, unless you don't trust me. But I'd also that case, I'd argue why I should trust you when you literally have an active empire. France will not under any circumstances allow the Soviet Union to occupy all of Europe. I will however, give you Serbia, Vojvodina, Hungary, and Romania. Czechoslovakia should, as a sovereign democracy, become totally independent free of occupation. As to Poland, I will gladly allow the annexation of Eastern German lands to Poland. Then neither will the Soviet Union allow you to do the same. You cannot, in your right mind, expect me not to do the same. This is unacceptable. Let me explain. While Germany has many factories you'll benefit from, your proposed territory for me has nothing in comparison. You'll gain a lot by I'll gain nothing, which makes me doubt your intentions. Are you trying to expand your empire, or are you trying to cooperate with me to ensure a peaceful Europe? If the latter was true, you'd be more equal in your proposition. By this one, you gain significantly more factories and territory than me. If you were me, would you accept it? No, this game called diplomacy isn't played that way. Moreover, you have a direct and long border with former Austria-Hungary, so this new occupation zone will be like your own territory. You'll be able to directly protect these lands in the event of a threat. While, in my case, as I don't have a direct border, I'll be severerly disadvantaged, and your suggestion makes this even more unequal. You cannot expect me to accept this in your right mind. You gain the world, while I gain nothing in comparison, like I explained. |
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